It WAS over the top and unrealistic, night king or not.

 

I also believe her storyline - the details are different in the two sets of leaks, but the overall theme.is the same. I'm not sure which Arya's to believe, but I prefer her Season8

Valor Morghulis one

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Edited August 21, 20177 yr by MoistSummerFruit

the king of a race of thousand-year-old ice creatures kills a fire-breathing dragon with a flying spear.. and it was over the top & unrealistic?

 

no shit.

the king of a race of thousand-year-old ice creatures kills a fire-breathing dragon with a flying spear.. and it was over the top & unrealistic?

 

no shit.

You forgot to mention the spear is magical too. But otherwise spot on

I am more worried for Littlefinger.

 

This whole season makes no sense, but BRAN is sat right there. He won't let Little Finger do anything, and once Arya knows he killed theor father ...

 

 

Bran is dead.

Maybe the Three-Eyed Raven just doesn't give a shit. Especially if it turn's out he's the Night King

Great stuff. Only thing that concerned me was the party holding out for long enough for a raven then a dragon to fly from the Wall to Dragonstone but maybe they were just bored sitting around on the ice, the dead are remarkably patient.

 

Viserion going down and then resurrected I had suspected but that didn't make it any easier to watch. At least Tormund survived, my heart was in my mouth at that point.

 

Thoros got a good send off with that reminder of his battle skills, less so Benjen, whose appearance felt a little bit like an asspull even though we knew he was out there.

Oh and with Sansa and Arya at each other's throats I almost thought Arya would kill Sansa after that. Littlefinger must be cackling.

Are people really slating a show with dragons for lack of realism? :lol:

Yes.

 

There is such a thing as INTERNAL logic for a show, fantasy of otherwise, Jesus Wept that is not difficult to comprehend :rolleyes:

 

A raven, dragon and Gendry teleporting was beyond the pale before even mentioning that silly ice spear throw. If he has that much strengh, John Smow would be crushed under one clash of their swords. Physics are presumably the same in both worlds yes?

Personally I'm not convinced Littlefinger isn't being played by the two girls but it's certain that story is rushed a bit.

 

 

As for them holding out long enough for Daenerys to arrive... Someone did the math and calculated about 4 days travel time from the moment Gendry leaves and also 4 days for the ice to set too. They calculated with homing pigeons instead of fantasy ravens so you could probably shorten that part of travel a bit and who knows how fast dragons fly. The polar areas are known to have perpetual day or night depending on season and the director has pointed this out as something they played on. Deliberately leaving the time frame vague and suggesting their world may be smaller than that of the books. I agree it's vague and open to criticism - a single line of dialogue or extra scene would have corrected this but if you can't suspend disbelief in a fantasy show that doesn't have the time or money to not have to skip over small details to get to where it has to be and it's ruining if for you then stop watching.

 

 

Plus, if you go back to the scene where Bran sends the ravens to spy on the Night King it very much looks like the exact same spot 'the fellowship of the wight in a bag' are stranded at. Given that most people agree the Night King is at the very least a greenseer (or possibly Bran himself) it's likely he knew full well that they were coming and it was a trap to snare a dragon. He also wargs into the wight at one stage so can listen in on their plans.

You can also explain the choice of Viserion as the target over Drogon (as well as other reasons being pointed out - soft underbelly, about to burn his position) as it gives him a better chance of getting two dragons/actually getting one. If he throws and misses Viserion no-one really notices as the spear ends up nowhere and he gets another go. Throw at Drogon and everyone will see it and flee/react so he only gets one go and Drogon's posture and angle is protecting his weak spots making it a hard kill

 

 

TL:DR He wanted a dragon, knew they were coming and held off the full attack until he knew the dragons were imminent.

Edited August 22, 20177 yr by Severin

Yes.

 

There is such a thing as INTERNAL logic for a show, fantasy of otherwise, Jesus Wept that is not difficult to comprehend :rolleyes:

 

A raven, dragon and Gendry teleporting was beyond the pale before even mentioning that silly ice spear throw. If he has that much strengh, John Smow would be crushed under one clash of their swords. Physics are presumably the same in both worlds yes?

 

So what? Is it worth ruining your enjoyment of the show? I could probably pick away at all the films/tv I like to watch in the same way, but I don't because it's not important to me. If I do, it's usually because I've found something amusing, rather than just hating on it.

 

And if it affects you so much, I can't see why you'd continue to watch it. Unless you're watching just to moan about which defies our in universe logic tbh.

Do you watch it?

 

If not, why are yu in here comig for me?

 

Goodbye.

 

No, Westeros is the size of SOUTH AMERICA. The Night King has been in the march since season TWO and had gone nowhere. He magically appeared outside of the cave Bran was in, but can't march fown a relatively small patch of land?

 

Those are just barefaced excuses for EXTREMELY poor writing, sorry. I will stop watching before s8 as the spoilers are vile and show how much it has fallen.

Do you watch it?

 

If not, why are yu in here comig for me?

 

Goodbye.

 

No, Westeros is the size of SOUTH AMERICA. The Night King has been in the march since season TWO and had gone nowhere. He magically appeared outside of the cave Bran was in, but can't march fown a relatively small patch of land?

 

Those are just barefaced excuses for EXTREMELY poor writing, sorry. I will stop watching before s8 as the spoilers are vile and show how much it has fallen.

 

I do watch actually, and I enjoy it a lot. I don't find the writing poor and I find the episodes quite engaging, particular the most recent one. I might not post here much but that's mainly to avoid spoilers as I get behind at times.

 

The writing rn is contrived beyond belief. It is one of the worst written shows I have seen recently - and that is a loong way to fall frm once being the best.

But if I'm still entertained, then I don't see a problem. I've got other things in my life to take this seriously.

But if I'm still entertained, then I don't see a problem. I've got other things in my life to take this seriously.

 

This.

The writing is certainly poorer this season without the source material - it's clear they probably could have padded out 10 episodes too, but I think for actors contractual issues plus just the time + effort it takes to film, edit and market they have condensed it down. Hands down it is still the best show on TV right now for pure entertainment. Just enjoy the escapism.

The writing is certainly poorer this season without the source material - it's clear they probably could have padded out 10 episodes too, but I think for actors contractual issues plus just the time + effort it takes to film, edit and market they have condensed it down. Hands down it is still the best show on TV right now for pure entertainment. Just enjoy the escapism.

 

 

Exactly. It costs $10m per episode n average, and they just don't have the resources to make more episodes without a sigificant amount of headache and obstacle. It may not be perfect but it's still astonishing tv

The Arya/Sansa storyline is absolutely terrible. Hopefully there's some sort of twist, because the way it's playing out is undoing a lot of the previous writing that sculpted both characters so well.

Yeah I was commenting when I watched it to someone else saying that the Arya/Sansa change is putting me off a bit. Arya has been training for the past few years, doing all this faceless man shit; surely she should have learnt to be a little sceptacle of Littlefinger instead of blindly falling for his cunningness and taking things out on Sansa.

I think/hope that this could be a double bluff from Arya and that her and Sansa will both kill Littlefinger next episode after figuring out his involvement in their father's death (after all, Sansa does have the dagger now). It's been a while since we've had a relatively big character die and it feels like he's not been as instrumental this season.