August 3, 20178 yr I figured it this way. Euron's fleet is built (there are questions over how quickly but I can waive those as we don't know any details of Greyjoy resources) He sails to King's Landing. Around this time Yara sails to Slaver's Bay. This journey appears to be at least 50% further again than Euron's. Euron's fleet is completed around the same time Yara arrives at Volantis. Yara then goes on further to meet Dany. By the time they've left Slaver's Bay Euron is virtually at King's Landing. As Cersei herself states everyone expects her to land and Dragonstone and Euron knows this too. He therefore heads to Dragonstone not long after meeting Cersei but holds back waiting to see what Dany does. When he sees the GreyJoy/Dornish fleet leave he follows before attacking - they never reach Dorne. At no point is it suggested that the Iron Fleet sails at the same time as the Unsullied. This would be a tactical error if they did. It is worth noting that Dorne is relatively close to KL - seperated only by Storm's End. Euron returns to Cersei. Makes hsis point and immediately sets sail fpr Casterly Rock. It is entirely probable that only Euron and a small escort returned to Kings Landing and the bulk of his fleet followed the Unsullied to prepare for the attack. By the time the Unsullied have arrived Euron is not far behind. In the time that the Unsullied have disembarked, prepared, marshaled their troops and taken finally Casterly Rock the Greyjoy fleet is in position to attack. It is entirely reasonable to suspect Euron has the fastest ships too. As for the Tyrell's, even with the largest army there's no expectation of a surprise attack involving the Tarly's from the South and Lannister's from the North. The Lannister's have the best army in the land and no army would station all it's troops in one location. The Tarly's would have walked in unopposed (as Allies) and the Lannister's would have cleaned up on their way down. By the time the Tyrell's realised they were under attack they'd already lost. I agree it's not well explained in the show but I think it still mainly works
August 3, 20178 yr This season is TERRIBLE. I will explain later but the timings are off, armies have been buffed like characters in a computer game or retroacrively debugfed, Lanbisters suddenly have 1000s, Greyjoys are suddenly the best warriors ever and can teleport, Danaerys sailed riiight past her allies to a place OPPOSITE KING'S LANDING LEFT UNOCCUPIED FOR YEARS!!!!! without stopping to plan with said allies, has them sail back and forth, Greyjoy SOMEHOW ginds them and kills two assassins, pfft. Ridiculous. Boring. Tale told by an idiot.
August 3, 20178 yr This season is TERRIBLE. I will explain later but the timings are off, armies have been buffed like characters in a computer game or retroacrively debugfed, Lanbisters suddenly have 1000s, No, the numbers stack up. The Lannister army has been stated by the show in the past and Martin at this point to be around to be around 60,000 men excluding the garrison at King's Landing. The Reach commands around 80,000 but that is before Randall Tarly switches allegiance and not all would be at Highgarden and they are acknowledged not to be the best fighting men. The Lannister army is. Tarly's inside knowledge, the Tyrell's lack of leadership and the element of surprise gives the Lannisters a comfortable victory. ---------------- There are approximately 8000 Unsullied who have no trouble taking a deliberately undermanned Casterly Rock (normal garrison of 10,000). They are not defeated but their ships are lost. --------------- Yara Greyjoy is stated to have arrived with over 100 ships of indeterminate quality and size. You wouldn't use that number if it was significantly more - you'd say 150 ship or nearly 200 Euron orders a 1000 ships and is noted as the most feared naval captain in the realm. We don't know how many he commands but it's no stretch to believe it's a superior force to Yara's both in number and ability. Yara has no hope in a straight naval battle with Euron and the surprise attack destroys her fleet with ease. Book knowledge but Dorne's status is small and the Sand Snakes not as skilled as their reputation suggests. It's all bluster Once Highgarden falls you can expect most remaining minor houses of The Reach to side with Cersei or sue for peace, removing it's navy from play Dorne without a leader is likely to end it's rebellion and return to isolationism or fielty If anything the Lannister's army will have grown with their victories. ------------ I'll grant you that leaving Dragonstone unclaimed is possibly a tactical error but not without precedent in human history - Plus the Lannister's don't have much of a navy to speak of. Knowing Dany would take it first (and everybody did) does however provide tactical advantages. I'll also agree Dany's plans have sucked but nobody in her team is much of a military strategist and huge armies with multiple allies can easily breed over confidence.
August 4, 20178 yr OMG. How have you seen it??? :o It leaked. Twenty of the best minutes of the show ever.
August 4, 20178 yr OMG. How have you seen it??? :o It was leaked online this morning. Quality is so so but it's watchable. It's the episode we've all been waiting for
August 4, 20178 yr It leaked. Twenty of the best minutes of the show ever. Yeah that bit was great but it was Fewer that won it for me
August 5, 20178 yr Yeah that bit was great but it was Fewer that won it for me All links since have been removed :o
August 5, 20178 yr OMG I AM SHOOK!!!!! I haven't screamed at a TV episode since the season 13 finale of Greys - that was SPECTACULAR. I was convinced Dany was a goner at the end of the episode BUT DROGON YES!!! Outstanding, best battle of the franchise!!!!!
August 5, 20178 yr One of the best episodes...ever? I knew Jamie wouldn't die, so I don't know why they're trying to bluff us to make it look like he's drowning, if he was going to get it, the show would have shown him getting his face burned off. But yes, Bron should have died for shooting the Dragon, though I would not be surprised if they killed him in the next episode. All in all though, that was so gripping, I was physically shaking afterwards. I find it unlikely Dany will make it to the end of the show with more than one Dragon alive, but, I'm not ready to lose one yet.
August 5, 20178 yr One of the best episodes...ever? I knew Jamie wouldn't die, so I don't know why they're trying to bluff us to make it look like he's drowning, if he was going to get it, the show would have shown him getting his face burned off. But yes, Bron should have died for shooting the Dragon, though I would not be surprised if they killed him in the next episode. All in all though, that was so gripping, I was physically shaking afterwards. I find it unlikely Dany will make it to the end of the show with more than one Dragon alive, but, I'm not ready to lose one yet. Loyalties aside, he was stupid to even attempt what he did. I do feel Dany losing a dragon is going to happen sooner rather than we think especially now they know that their bow works after attacking Drogon. I'm so glad someone else was shaking because as you say, one of the best episodes ever and in the franchise.
August 5, 20178 yr Seen it. Pfft. Teleporting is alive and well for objects as well as people and fleets it seems.
August 5, 20178 yr They are making the Lannisters too powerful. All Danny did was destroy 1/4th of their numbers and NOT their allies and a bit of corn. The gold MAGICALLY teleported itslf back to King's Landing to buff the Lannisters some more. Either she gets armour for her dragons oe I lose all faith in the series. That cannon f***in sucks and that gross man who fired it should have died right there and then. The Lannisters are being made too powerful through coincidences and teleportation to protect the last human enemy. Howeverrrr I LOVED Arya vs Brienne, although Arya should have won. Her reunion was better than last week's but STILL lacking and a bit disappointing. Why was Sansa scared of her? Surely she deduced she was trained and it was she who killed the Freys? Littlefinger was LIVING for it. Edited August 5, 20178 yr by MoistSummerFruit
August 5, 20178 yr They are making the Lannisters too powerful. All Danny did was destroy 1/4th of their numbers and NOT their allies and a bit of corn. The gold MAGICALLY teleported itslf back to King's Landing to buff the Lannisters some more. Either she gets armour for her dragons oe I lose all faith in the series. That cannon f***in sucks and that gross man who fired it should have died right there and then. The Lannisters are being made too powerful through coincidences and teleportation to protect the last human enemy. Howeverrrr I LOVED Arya vs Brienne, although Arya should have won. Her reunion was better than last week's but STILL lacking and a bit disappointing. Why was Sansa scared of her? Surely she deduced she was trained and it was she who killed the Freys? Littlefinger was LIVING for it. Will you stop going on about teleportation? No series is ever perfect with timings and the more time you spend moaning it the less you'll enjoy the series :drama:
August 5, 20178 yr Will you stop going on about teleportation? No series is ever perfect with timings and the more time you spend moaning it the less you'll enjoy the series :drama: No I won't as it is a JOKE at this point that they are still doing it to protect the Lannisters. They have a villain problem this season and so are just buffing and buffing the Lannisters and, basically, they are soing it with magic outside the limits of the rules of their universe.
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