I have a feeling Dany will string Bron up in the next episode. Hope so anyway. How dare he shoot Drogon.

 

 

I think Viserion will become a White Dragon at the war in the north.

I think so too, then in the next series Bran will warg into him and 'fly' as the 3 eyed raven said ... unless that was aboot him flying as ravens?? Then with the ice and fire dragons united, they will beat the WW with a song of fire and ice.

 

However the WW REAAAALLY jar with the political side o GoT, so I just don't see how they reconcile that with the fight for the Iron Throne. It doesn't gel and seems like it will be a mess. This season is already all over the place.

Personally as far as a battle went, I much preferred Hardhome. Great episode though and totally tense throughout as I think this was the first actual battle we have seen this series where we as the audience did not know who to root for.

 

Bronn and Jamie will be alive - I imagine they will both escape and not be captives. Bronn must serve a bigger purpose, I imagine he's probably one of the ones that makes it to the end otherwise it would have made sense for him to get bunged off in the battle.

 

Surely this episode was highlighting Dany turning in to the Mad Queen though? While the gold got away, the Lannisters lost all their food and supplies. You can tell Tyrion was beginning to lose belief in Dany - the shot on the hill gave it away.

The only thing that really got me was the whole water bit... surely it wasn't THAT deep that close to land?! :lol:

Uh wow, that battle, visually breathtaking. And the tension as it started, not quite Hardhome but the closest thing this series has come to replicating it - that deep pause before it started felt like a deliberate attempt to mirror it. I am surprised after all that that no one important is dead, that can't stay the same. Though with Bronn, I feel he has to be alive to confront Tyrion along with Jaime, Tyrion could have heard that his former friend died on the opposite side but it would have felt a bit anticlimactic. Still, at least Drogon's all fine, I was trying to see if I'd missed identification of the dragon but Dany wouldn't ride anyone but Drogon.

 

Surely this episode was highlighting Dany turning in to the Mad Queen though? While the gold got away, the Lannisters lost all their food and supplies. You can tell Tyrion was beginning to lose belief in Dany - the shot on the hill gave it away.

 

Yep, Missandei saying she serves Dany because she wants to, because of all the good things she has done (as does everyone from Essos, even the Dothraki who've just given their lives), Dany asking Jon quite forcefully for his opinion and then ignoring it even when he is quite rational, again asking him to bend the knee, all pointing to at the least a major crisis of faith in Dany soon.

 

Otherwise, my highlight was Arya showing off her light weapon skillz, but it does feel like she (and Bran for that matter) really don't fit into normal life anymore.

Next weeks trailer suggests there is losing faith in Daenerys from some of her camp. I think she's justified in this episode though in terms of the dragon/fire techniques. She's on the battlefield and has killed out of response to what shes suffered as losses so far. Not only that the men she killed weren't innocent civilians like Cersei had blown up at the end of season 6, these are soldiers who have made the commitment. If anything that might win over some of the survivors but I won't hold my breathe :lol: it would be interesting to see Jaime and Bronn held captive it would feel almost full circle for when he was last captive to Catelyn but it would be such a valuable thing to have over Cersei at this point! Imagine her fury if Jaime didn't get away :o

I think it's just a curveball for Dany, she'll look like she's lost her following / turning evil but pull it back in the last episodes and take the throne.

All over youtube!

 

I'm not sure how to link to specific comment threads though?

 

 

This is why nobody in their right mind reads youtube comments. It's the place where all the stupid people go to rant and post their ill-informed opinions

Making the dragons so weak - and making it so DISGUSTING CLIPPY NAIL BRONN!! damaged the dragon to appease the alpha male types - was vile and a joke. The alpha male sexists are now raging at Danaerys for beating Jamie and that gross man and saying the LANNISTERS are the good guys!!

 

Don't they remember um ANY OF THIS?

 

1. red wedding

2. JEOFFERY

3. Jamie Lannister is Jeoffery's dad and would have killed to protect the vile beast

4. He is in an incestous relationship with his sister!!

5. His sister used wildfire on half of King's landing - including innocents. This is fine but Danaery using dragon fire vs alpha males is not ok as, as one DELIGHTFUL YT commentator put it, 'Danaerys shouldn't have dragons, should be --redacted, aggressive sexual desire-- as men are superior in every way'. :/ :/ :/ VILE.

 

Empowering those alpha male characters is emboldening the Pepe Trumpanzees and sexists. They should be killed off immediately. Their mind views are so warped that they see the Lannisters as good because they represent a challenge to a woman with dragons and real power. Bronn and Jamie are beige as anything too, especially Bronn. This is Stannis all over again!

 

Jamie and that gross man interestingly SHOULD have died, as the extra armour creates so much drag, especially in a deep body o water, that it makes it impossible for them to swim, much like Virginia Wolfe using stones in her pockets. It is physics.

 

 

Not an advocate of the Lannisters but to balance the argument

 

1. The Red Wedding was an act of betrayal by Walder Frey and Roose Bolton that the Lannisters took advantage of. They're not the arch villians of the piece but they play a part.

2. Joffrey - He really was a c**t wasn't he? Hard to defend him so I won't

3. What father wouldn't? Jaimie would have been aware of his son's problems but he was rarely able to be a true father to him. Robert, Cersei and Tywin take the most blame here.

4. Incestuous relationships have a long historyin Westeros. You cannot use it as an argument against the Lannisters without acknowledging the Targaryens made it an institution

5. Cersei is a monster too but her destruction of the Sept at Baelor wiped out a huge swathe of a monstrous cult who were arguably the worse of the two.

 

 

The scene with Ed Sheeran earlier in the season is intended as the counterpoint to this weeks battle. We see Lannister troops who are just everymen, doing a job and who simply want to go home and see their families. They are no monsters, it is those in power who are. Arya sees it in that moment. It's what makes Danaerys destruction of so many ordinary soldiers so horrific. Whether you believe they fight on the right side or not.

 

I've been a supporter of the Targaryen claim since the first season and believe she's the rightful heir but she's equally as monstrous in her own way. She just talks a lot nicer at first.

 

 

There are no claimants who are without fault in the show. Maybe Gendry or Jon Snow but they would fail too.

 

That's kind of the crux of the story so far, so for anyone to go on about good guys and bad guys is missing the point. Nothing is black and white. It's all shades of grey

i am SHOOK. that final battle was everything!

Uh wow, that battle, visually breathtaking. And the tension as it started, not quite Hardhome but the closest thing this series has come to replicating it - that deep pause before it started felt like a deliberate attempt to mirror it. I am surprised after all that that no one important is dead, that can't stay the same. Though with Bronn, I feel he has to be alive to confront Tyrion along with Jaime, Tyrion could have heard that his former friend died on the opposite side but it would have felt a bit anticlimactic. Still, at least Drogon's all fine, I was trying to see if I'd missed identification of the dragon but Dany wouldn't ride anyone but Drogon.

Yep, Missandei saying she serves Dany because she wants to, because of all the good things she has done (as does everyone from Essos, even the Dothraki who've just given their lives), Dany asking Jon quite forcefully for his opinion and then ignoring it even when he is quite rational, again asking him to bend the knee, all pointing to at the least a major crisis of faith in Dany soon.

 

Otherwise, my highlight was Arya showing off her light weapon skillz, but it does feel like she (and Bran for that matter) really don't fit into normal life anymore.

 

But she does follow his advice?

 

She uses dragons on their armies instead of the innocent.

 

She doesn't have them JUST for self defence. They are like bombs. The Geneva convention is hardly at work in Westeros!

 

I think most of their army would have fled at thr first sight of what the dragon did tbh. It was unrealistic for them to stand in rows and be barbecued alive.

 

Also I agree r.e Bran and Arya. It now feels like they should both be in the wilderness, Arya especially.

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But she does follow his advice?

 

She uses dragons on their armies instead of the innocent.

 

She doesn't have them JUST for self defence. They are like bombs. The Geneva convention is hardly at work in Westeros!

 

I think most of their army would have fled at thr first sight of what the dragon did tbh. It was unrealistic for them to stand in rows and be barbecued alive.

 

Also I agree r.e Bran and Arya. It now feels like they should both be in the wilderness, Arya especially.

 

No she doesn't because he said something along the lines of if you use those you'll be more of the same ruler people have had.

If you use those AGAINST INNOCEBT PEOPLE by BURNING CASTLES AND CITIES.

 

She ABSOLUTELY folloeed his advice by burning the Lannisters. They are not innocent and neither os their army.

If you use those AGAINST INNOCEBT PEOPLE by BURNING CASTLES AND CITIES.

 

She ABSOLUTELY folloeed his advice by burning the Lannisters. They are not innocent and neither os their army.

 

The principle still remains though. Regardless of who or what she burned the spectacle remains the same.

 

I've just been rereading this thread after watching the trailer with Sansa speaking about the lonely wolf dies but the pack survives. It's a long shot but do we think that could refer to

Daenerys and Jon as both could be argued as lone wolves and the Targaryen line lives through both of them? :thinking: If so we could lose either one of those two!

 

Danaerys took Jon's comments on board and refrained from burning King's Landing. She dropped the equivalent of a f*** ton of napalm on a legitimate military target using what these days would be considered a weapon of mass destruction. She effectively used them as a weapon of terror.

 

But the Lannister army is largely made of up of ordinary folk who took the only well paid job they could do. That doesn't make them monsters anymore than it does the British army soldiers who invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003 under the orders of Tony Blair.

 

 

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But it also means they are not innocent and had just finished slaughtering the damn Tyrells!!

 

I don't know why people want dragons if they think she should not use them against a LEGITIMATE military target? Dhe is being VERY testrained, as she and Lady Odell both remarked.

 

No, the lone wolf speech refers to the Stark family only. I think it is foreshadowing Arya and Bran's deaths.

But it also means they are not innocent and had just finished slaughtering the damn Tyrells!!

 

I don't know why people want dragons if they think she should not use them against a LEGITIMATE military target? Dhe is being VERY testrained, as she and Lady Odell both remarked.

 

No, the lone wolf speech refers to the Stark family only. I think it is foreshadowing Arya and Bran's deaths.

I didn't say they were innocent. Just that they're ordinary soldiers doing their job. Death in battle is a clear risk and that comes with the job. If you think for one second the Tyrell army wouldn't have slaughtered them given the chance then you're wrong. However, Dany just upped the stakes in terms of vicious slaughter. Dying in a sword fight against an equally armed and able foe is one thing but dragons are a new level of terror.

 

Dany using the dragons the way she did shows the ultimately she considers her right to sitting on the throne as more important than the lives of the ordinary people of Westeros. Cersei isn't that disimilar. It's what Jon warned against and he's the only major player so far who is concerned with what's good for the people.

They CHOSE their side and they chose to figt and kill for the Lannisters. It is NO DIFFERENT to whrn TYRION'S!!!!!!!!! plan against Baratheon was WILD FIRE.

They CHOSE their side and they chose to figt and kill for the Lannisters. It is NO DIFFERENT to whrn TYRION'S!!!!!!!!! plan against Baratheon was WILD FIRE.

That's a massive assumption. Ever heard of National Service or conscription? Maybe they joined during peacetime. Any number of connotations there.

 

But yes Tyrion's plan was horrific too.

 

Maybe you're finally getting it.

We are talking about medieval warfare. This is what it was like. They used boiling oil on enemies, tortured and maimed. Life was cheapened by so much purposeful death and so fed the circle. You are ascribing modern day morals to age old battes.