what? you know you can block those YT ads and they don't show anymore,

that's what everybody I know does

no one is forced to sit thru those ads

so not the same at all

 

 

Youtube is paid for by advertising, some you are forced to watch the whole way through some are blockable after 5 seconds, but it's still free music paid for by advertisers...

Album tracks have been included in the singles chart for years. I get what the OCC is saying by that if you can buy a track and stream it then it may as well be considered a single.

 

Banning so called non-singles is not the way forward. We just need the OCC to count streams of singular tracks and streams of albums separately to lessen the impact of album tracks.

 

Let's also remember that 'Divide' is an anomaly. Albums from other big artists don't have half the impact, except perhaps Justin Bieber.

 

I get what you mean, maybe some of those tracks should be nominated for a single release, so the rest of the tracks won't chart in the singles chart, that could fix the problem a bit.

 

I love to know Martin Talbot defines 'singles' from Ed Sheeran when at least 11 aren't clearly singles.

 

 

I get what you mean, maybe some of those tracks should be nominated for a single release, so the rest of the tracks won't chart in the singles chart, that could fix the problem a bit.

And what if the record label were stupid and didn't nominate popular tracks as singles? High sellers would be excluded from the chart simply because the label hasn't nominated it. They could fix it but we've seen in the past that labels don't always make the right choices (see: Gaga's Do What U Want being chart ineligible for a few weeks due to the instant grat rules at the time).

Wasn't there a chart where someone did 'The Real Chart' on a website somewhere which included instant grats, performances from X Factor artists? If I remember correctly.

 

 

and agree Bieber is the only one who could do a Divide,

Katy Perry certainly not

 

Adele if she allows streaming from the get go on her next album?

Just think, no more xmas invasions of the same songs in the same order each year as the same people stream the same playlist records. Hooray! Actual sellers like leona Lewis would feature higher. Hooray! No more album invasions of the singles chart beyond week one, which would be in any case downsized in influence. Hooray!

Mariah, Wham, The Pogues and Wizzard actually sold more downloads than Leona last Christmas, so even without streaming the top 4 would be the same each year.

 

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singl.../20161223/7509/

 

Hopefully Leona gets featured on more Spotify playlists this year anyway, she'd be doing better if she was.

Youtube is paid for by advertising, some you are forced to watch the whole way through some are blockable after 5 seconds, but it's still free music paid for by advertisers...

nope, you can block them all and they do not show

you don't even have to skip after 5 secs

if you think about it, the occ has always been slow

they allowed free Grats for ages until Bowie got a top 10 that basically no one bought

I would also ban playlist sales unless they are specifically chosen by the renter.

 

...How would you do that without reading people's minds?

Banning non-singles is the only way forward.

Banning non-singles is the only way forward.

You've said this numerous times now, I think we get your point.

Well done to Ed, nothing needs to change unless this becomes a recurring problem thne probably just allowed 4 non-singles form the album chart.

 

but what evenm is a single anymore? a promo single? a radio single? an instant grat?

 

The indsutry has changed so much.

 

this is the future, deal with it!

Well done to Ed, nothing needs to change unless this becomes a recurring problem thne probably just allowed 4 non-singles form the album chart.

 

but what evenm is a single anymore? a promo single? a radio single? an instant grat?

 

The indsutry has changed so much.

 

this is the future, deal with it!

 

Precisely this. People need to relax and get with the times and stop whining and being so anal because the OCC said "singles" instead of "tracks". It's not that serious and what was once defined as a single in 1990 obviously is not how we define a single in 2017. Ed had 16 singles in the chart, as in 16 "single tracks" from the album is basically what Talbot at the OCC was saying.

 

Back in the day a single was a specified track form the album which artists spent months on end promoting and pushing to radio etc, music videos, performances, but that model is outdated. Album tracks, promo singles, instant grats etc have been in the single's chart for years.

You've said this numerous times now, I think we get your point.

 

 

And your point (which you keep banging on about) is 'Anything is a single these days technically' - I think WE get your point, but it does't mean I agree.

And your point (which you keep banging on about) is 'Anything is a single these days technically' - I think WE get your point, but it does't mean I agree.

I never said you have to agree, but you keep saying that the singles chart should only be for singles, despite the fact the chart hasn't been like this for years.

http://news.sky.com/story/has-ed-sheeran-k...charts-10800420

 

SKY NEWS - Has Ed Sheeran killed the charts? Interesting article...... :cheer:

Tbh, I would like only songs that are officially sent to radio to be eligible for the singles chart unless it could be established that they have been downloaded individually or are an isolated stream. The chart has always had limitiations as to what is included and that should still be the case.

 

Of course, this probably isn't possible.

Change will come or Martin Talbot will have to go; it's being picked up everywhere now that the UK charts are in trouble:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/mar/...drastic-rethink

 

Jon Webster, president of the music managers group MMF, said the singles chart needed as “drastic rethink”. “You should be looking at two different things: what’s happening in streaming, and what’s happening in sales. You can’t mix them. It ends up in two different metrics and that’s the problem,” Webster said.

 

“When you were a kid and you bought a single, if you played it 500 times over five weeks it was still only one sale. But now we’re having that 500 times over five weeks in the chart. We live in a different world, and we need a different chart for a different world.”

 

Jeremy Pritchard, the bassist in Manchester indie rock band Everything Everything, said the charts company could introduce new rules about what counts as a single. “Something needs to happen,” he said. “There should be some rules concerning what is and isn’t a single. If we’re still calling it the singles chart, should we be letting in stuff which hasn’t been identified as a single.

Edited March 14, 20178 yr by howiet1971

Oh well, if the bass player from Everything Everything says there's a problem then obviously something has to be done :rolleyes:

 

(No disrespect to the band, I like a few of their songs, but he seems an odd person to ask).