If countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States can cope without being in the EU single market then I'm 100% sure the UK can do too.

 

Three of those are huge with vast, untapped resources. One of those has a tiny economy.

Also HOW MANY TIMES do I have to repeat that Great Britain refers to FRANCE and nothing to do with jingoism or Empire!!! But, oh please, tell me what sets US and ONLY US as great - is it the Eton boys, the bjased media, the poverty, the foodbanks ... the weather? The institutional inequality? Yah.

You mean a deal that doesn't include financial services?

:) If the EU want to put at risk the current deal the City of London has with the EU then say goodbye to the Euro.

And before I have to hear about Manufacturing making a comeback shall we have a quick recap on our number 1 manufacturing sector, automotive?

 

Jaguar Land Rover - Owned by Tata Motors of India. Have started manufacturing in Eastern Europe.

Mini - Fully owned subsidiary of BMW who are already carrying out a feasibility study to merge Mini production into German production lines and close Oxford

Nissan - 43% owned by Renault S.A. and in a unique cross shareholding alliance with them. Renault are 19.73% owned by the French State. CEO of Renault is also the CEO of Nissan. Renault-Nissan is the second largest manufacturer in the world on Q1 2017 sales and has factories all over the globe. Nissan have said very frankly that leaving the single market and customs union will shut Sunderland. Renault have capacity in France, Lada (Renault owned) has capacity in Russia, Nissan has capacity in Spain and Renault has the ability to knock up another production line and 200,000 cars in Morocco at a Renault-Dacia factory.

Aston Martin - Makes 1,500 cars per annum

Lotus - Makes less than 10,000 cars per annum

McLaren - Makes less than 10,000 cars per annum

Various other sports car makers (Caterham, Nobel et al) - Combined sales less than 10,000 per annum

Vauxhall - Opel's UK branding, manufacture the Astra at Ellesmere Port and vans from Renault CKD kits at Luton (yes fam all of Vauxhall's vans are just rebadged Renaults, we covered them earlier). Opel are being sold by US parent firm General Motors to PSA aka Peugeot S.A. aka Peugeot-Citroën also ~15% owned by the French Government with substantial extra capacity in France. Opel has massive amounts of extra capacity in Germany. PSA have previously shuttered plants in the UK because they were shite.

Ford - Dagenham sole Ford plant left. Ford Europe has gone from keeping Ford afloat to threatening to drag it under. All European operations under scrutiny.

Honda - Non-committal to future of Swindon. A plant that was first in line for shift cuts in 2008/9

Toyota - Factory in Derby. Non-committal but like Renault-Nissan a truly global footprint. Easy to relocate.

 

 

 

We could be left with JLR, Honda and Toyota in 3 years time. And don't be fooled. Nissan makes more Qashqai's in Sunderland than the total output of these three combined.

:) If the EU want to put at risk the current deal the City of London has with the EU then say goodbye to the Euro.

You mean the currency controlled in Frankfurt?

 

Or do you mean the Euro trading done in London by firms that are already buying office space in Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt??? Perhaps you mean firms like Deutsche Bank who are openly considering closing their entire UK presence in favour of a return to Frankfurt????

So weee have nothing to sell except jam and tea. And Spain and China do it better anyway, ok.

It's more than 10% in both of the EEA states. ~40% in Norway.

 

Canada's model excludes services. Services make up more than 70% of our economy. When that 70% loses it's primary (and in some cases only) export market what good will a free trade agreement do that specifically excludes it?

 

40% in Norway :lol:, no it isn't, it's actually 8% in Norway that want to join the EU. And don't be surprised in 10 years time when the UK will be polling the same numbers.

40% in Norway :lol:, no it isn't, it's actually 8% in Norway that want to join the EU. And don't be surprised in 10 years time when the UK will be polling the same numbers.

 

can you give a source for this?

You mean the currency controlled in Frankfurt?

 

Or do you mean the Euro trading done in London by firms that are already buying office space in Dublin, Paris and Frankfurt??? Perhaps you mean firms like Deutsche Bank who are openly considering closing their entire UK presence in favour of a return to Frankfurt????

 

Oh you mean the backroom staff that are moving to Dublin and Frankfurt, not the actual people that matter in financial services who are staying in the City of London.

While we're talking about agreements shall we talk about Open-Skies? The agreement that underpins the entire European aviation market, the most competitive in the world and thus the one with the lowest fares. It's about the only thing capitalism has gotten right.

 

The agreement ceases to apply when we leave the EU. Meaning that Easyjet's entire operation will be grounded overnight, apart from it's limited domestic services and UK to non-EU services. Ryanair's entire UK network will cease. British Airways will stop flying to Europe and all European airlines will stop flying to the UK. Norwegian's cheap flights to the US and summer sun destinations from the UK will all cease.

 

 

Schedules are made 18 months in advance for airlines. Easyjet is desperately getting an operating license in an EU member state and Ryanair is threatening to shut down it's entire UK operation.

 

Ryanair is the UK's largest airline. It's Irish....

Oh you mean the backroom staff that are moving to Dublin and Frankfurt, not the actual people that matter in financial services who are staying in the City of London.

You don't have a job do you? I mean you can't. You clearly have no understanding of what back room staff do.

 

 

"Back-room" staff outnumber traders vastly. They are vital and underpin a firms entire operation. You try running an office without them. They are also the staff that move first in order to set up the new operation or office allowing for a seamless transition for the 'people that matter'.

 

Business relocation 101.

This is ABSURD. WHY Have an election in the midde of an unnecessary, undemocratic Brexit?? It makes the WHOLE election about it and not about other issues hat will affect us

 

Damn self-serving Tories. His is NOT in our interests. Just their party interests. Just like Brexit itself.

 

Also Peacemob, 80% and UP of younger gwnerations want IN. Don't be surprised as EU membership polls ip and up and up, especially following disaster, queues at airports, fees, decrease in wages, etc, and as the younger geenrations replace the older.

Edited May 1, 20178 yr by Tippin Virginia

can you give a source for this?

 

Google is your friend, you can see polling numbers from up to 10 and 15 years ago and the slow drop in popularity to join the EU from Norway.

Edited May 1, 20178 yr by PeaceMob

You don't have a job do you? I mean you can't. You clearly have no understanding of what back room staff do.

"Back-room" staff outnumber traders vastly. They are vital and underpin a firms entire operation. You try running an office without them. They are also the staff that move first in order to set up the new operation or office allowing for a seamless transition for the 'people that matter'.

 

Business relocation 101.

 

I touched a nerve there B-) , Frankfurt and Dublin can keep the backroom staff, it won't add as much to their economies.

Google is your friend, you can see polling numbers from up to 10 and 15 years ago and the slow drop in popularity to join the EU from Norway.

 

but which SPECIFIC source are you quoting from, google isn't an acceptable answer? what question did they ask specifically?

I touched a nerve there B-) , Frankfurt and Dublin can keep the backroom staff, it won't add as much to their economies.

Yes let them have the tax revenues and economic activity of 5,000 back room staff. We will keep the 50 traders and have 5,000 people on JSA. Wit a winner for our economy and wit a loser for Dublin and Frankfurt. 5,000 people paying tax and NI and VAT and companies paying increased rates and corporation tax.

but which SPECIFIC source are you quoting from, google isn't an acceptable answer? what question did they ask specifically?

 

Do your own research, there are plenty of Norwegian sources out there which show clearly the drop in popularity to join the EU, of course for most of them you'll need to use the translate button.

Not with that attitude it won't!

This whole thread should be set on fire, but this comment in particular did give me a chuckle. Let me know when you've done a fraction of what I've done to get a Labour government elected. I won't wait.

Do your own research, there are plenty of Norwegian sources out there which show clearly the drop in popularity to join the EU, of course for most of them you'll need to use the translate button.

 

I'm under no obligation to believe a single word you write here because you refuse to give me decent sources to trust what you're saying. If you can't simply say what organisation you're pulling your statistics from then I doubt you've researched anything yourself. I'm just gonna assume you've taken this from the Norwegian version of a daily mail poll

 

Yes let them have the tax revenues and economic activity of 5,000 back room staff. We will keep the 50 traders and have 5,000 people on JSA. Wit a winner for our economy and wit a loser for Dublin and Frankfurt. 5,000 people paying tax and NI and VAT and companies paying increased rates and corporation tax.

 

More like they take the admin staff, whilst the City of London keeps the best financiers and bankers in the WORLD. Seriously you underestimate how valuable the City of London is to the world, most especially for the EU.

Edited May 1, 20178 yr by PeaceMob