i'm still surprised people are not realising post malone and bieber have a song together, could be huge if promoted

I think people realise, it's had over 100m streams ww. It's just not as accessible of a song as the ones he's got going in the charts at the moment.

I think people realise, it's had over 100m streams ww. It's just not as accessible of a song as the ones he's got going in the charts at the moment.

That's b/s. I've heard "Rockstar" a handful of times and just listened to "Deja Vu" and it sounds a hell of a lot more 'accessible'. If this had been added to playlists in place of "I Fall Apart" post-"Rockstar" reaching #1, it would be top five now.

It's interesting because I'm a fan of all the songs you have mentioned here and on first listen I only thought 'Hurtin Me' would be a hit. I did also think 'Bestie' could do well if it got promotion, but I'm still in the mind-set of thinking success for these type of songs is the A-List on 1Xtra and maybe Radio 1 playlisting.

 

I think streaming has a lot to answer for - without generalising too much, I think fans of urban music are less likely to actually buy music and I think a lot of urban hits pre-Spotify explosion were heavily illegally downloaded. So the fact urban music tends to be popular on Spotify isn't a great surprise to me. I also think the success of UK artists such as Skepta, Stormzy and J Hus in recent years has made certain radio stations more open to backing this type of music. As you said, without J Hus I couldn't see a song like 'Unsigned' being big previously.

 

I do think this type of Hip Hop/R&B is a trend though, possibly stemming from the success of Trap Queen which ironically was hugely melodic. Without putting too much thought into it, I think songs like 'Shut Up' and 'Panda' which were both huge and long-running have opened doors for this type of music to be a success. However, considering the trend a few years ago was for Mustard beats I'm sure something else will come along soon.

You've definitely hit the nail on the head I think.

 

I also find it surprising that big rock bands aren't doing so well on streaming. When this all came into play, I expected popular touring bands such as Mumford & Sons, Kings of Leon, Muse, Foo Fighters etc. to light up streaming. Maybe even as far as bands like AC/DC, etc. Perhaps fans of these bands are just of the older generations on the whole and haven't crossed to streaming yet.

 

I'm a much bigger fan of 00s and 90s R&B/Hip-Hop and rock/indie myself, on the whole I'm finding both genres are going through a lull of quality and excitement.

You've definitely hit the nail on the head I think.

 

I also find it surprising that big rock bands aren't doing so well on streaming. When this all came into play, I expected popular touring bands such as Mumford & Sons, Kings of Leon, Muse, Foo Fighters etc. to light up streaming. Maybe even as far as bands like AC/DC, etc. Perhaps fans of these bands are just of the older generations on the whole and haven't crossed to streaming yet.

 

I'm a much bigger fan of 00s and 90s R&B/Hip-Hop and rock/indie myself, on the whole I'm finding both genres are going through a lull of quality and excitement.

Yeah I agree with both this and Mike's post, but what I can never work out is exactly why fans of R&B/urban music are much more likely to stream music instead of buy it, and why guitar based music never does well on streaming. I mean is it just an age thing? I know fans of rock music are a bit older in general, but there are still plenty of young people into rock music as well as pop/dance/R&B so I can never really figure out why rock is so under-represented on streaming compared to other genres.

I think generally speaking rock music fans are more likely to just buy the album to better support the artist rather than stream. Also, R&B/urban is a lot more mainstream than rock/indie especially now.

 

Without wishing to get too deep into stereotypes, I think many R&B/urban music fans generally don't buy because they don't have a whole lot of money.

Yeah, R&B and Urban fans are typically very young who are probably still in school or university so probably have very little cash whereas indie and rock are mostly adults who have money to spend I guess.

and the bias towards urban is much much more heavier in the US, 90% of the songs in the top 100 are urban, just checked billboard and this week's top 10 streaming is all urban

 

1 1 POST MALONE ROCKSTAR

2 2 CARDI B BODAK YELLOW

3 3 LOGIC 1-800-273-8255

4 4 21 SAVAGE BANK ACCOUNT

11 5 LIL UZI VERT THE WAY LIFE GOES

10 6 KHALID YOUNG DUMB & BROKE

8 7 LIL UZI VERT XO TOUR LLIF3

9 8 FRENCH MONTANA UNFORGETTABLE

12 9 GUCCI MANE I GET THE BAG

7 10 XXXTENTACION JOCELYN FLORES

 

at least in the uk pure pop is doing better

I do think now is more reflective of what's popular though. When urban hits weren't charting it was easy for some people to go 'can't be that popular, didn't even go Top 40'. Now its harder for people to ignore.

Its reflective of whats popular in a particular demographic

9 I Fall apart

11 Maroon 5

17 Perfect

23 Mabel

25 Mi gente2

27 Khalid

Edited October 11, 20177 yr by Bjork

Random question: Every time I've tried to play Rita Ora - Your Song I get "This song is not available".

 

Is that happening for anyone else? Is there genuinely a fault with it or is it just me?

I just tried and i can play Rita's Your song, but Im not in the UK, maybe it's a UK Spotify problem

 

how can Rockstar be song #3 starting from the bottom on hothits? thats bizarre

Nah, 'Your Song' is working fine for me.

Spotify Top 200 (10/10)

 

Ouch at Noel Gallagher, down to #127 already lagging behind quite a few Liam Gallagher album tracks. Liam's week just got a lot better. :lol:

 

Also yay for CamelPhat back on the up! (#44). Also worth noting that Charlie Puth's new'n should go top 50 very soon, as will Sam Smith's. Maroon 5's new single is top 100 already too and new entries in the top 200 from Dave and NF.

 

1 = Post Malone - rockstar 556,578

2 = Dua Lipa - New Rules 371,851

3 = Camila Cabello - Havana 346,251

4 = Sam Smith - Too Good At Goodbyes 316,581

5 = ZAYN - Dusk Till Dawn 301,539

6 = Logic - 1-800-273-8255 282,816

7 = Avicii - Lonely Together 273,779

8 = Yungen - Bestie 264,903

9 1 Post Malone - I Fall Apart 242,336

10 -1 CNCO - Reggaetón Lento (Remix) 237,385

11 3 Maroon 5 - What Lovers Do 227,602

12 = Chris Brown - Questions 225,201

13 = Stefflon Don - Hurtin' Me 224,167

14 -3 French Montana - Unforgettable 220,773

15 = Marshmello - Silence 217,559

16 = Justin Bieber - Friends 205,853

17 1 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 197,572

18 -1 Taylor Swift - Look What You Made Me Do 190,142

19 2 James Hype - More Than Friends 188,613

20 -1 Big Shaq - Man's Not Hot 187,190

21 1 P!nk - What About Us 183,887

22 1 Macklemore - Glorious 179,863

23 3 Mabel - Finders Keepers 175,910

24 = Post Malone - Congratulations 171,799

25 3 J Balvin - Mi Gente 166,226

26 -6 Demi Lovato - Sorry Not Sorry 166,001

27 2 Khalid - Young Dumb & Broke 159,876

28 -1 Lil Uzi Vert - XO TOUR Llif3 158,139

29 -4 Calvin Harris - Feels 153,932

30 = Chris & Kem - Little Bit Leave It 150,740

31 = DJ Khaled - Wild Thoughts 150,399

32 = Xxxtentacion - Jocelyn Flores 148,502

33 3 Jason Derulo - If I'm Lucky 142,036

34 -1 Luis Fonsi - Despacito - Remix 140,567

35 -1 J Balvin - Mi Gente 136,276

36 1 Ed Sheeran - Shape of You 134,116

37 4 Avicii - Without You 128,493

38 = Cardi B - Bodak Yellow 126,488

39 4 Katy Perry - Swish Swish 124,594

40 2 The Script - Rain 124,140

41 -6 Sigala - Came Here For Love 124,052

42 -3 Giggs - Linguo 123,928

43 3 21 Savage - Bank Account 119,876

44 5 CamelPhat - Cola 119,282

45 = Liam Gallagher - Wall Of Glass 116,872

46 -6 Jonas Blue - Mama 116,311

47 1 Louis Tomlinson - Back to You 116,063

48 -4 Hardy Caprio - Unsigned 115,106

49 -2 Liam Gallagher - For What It's Worth 112,548

50 = Rita Ora - Your Song 107,867

 

51 10 Charlie Puth - How Long 103,143

52 1 Sam Smith - Pray 102,870

53 1 J HUS - Spirit 97,172

54 2 Yxng Bane - Rihanna 95,968

55 2 Kygo - Stargazing 94,758

56 -4 Kendrick Lamar - HUMBLE. 94,548

57 2 Portugal. The Man - Feel It Still 92,164

58 6 Craig David - Heartline 91,438

59 -8 The Killers - Mr. Brightside 88,370

60 3 Niall Horan - Too Much To Ask 87,881

61 1 Charlie Puth - Attention 86,710

62 11 MK - 17 81,529

63 19 Skrillex - Would You Ever 79,989

64 14 Macklemore - Good Old Days 79,886

65 3 Rudimental - Sun Comes Up 79,363

66 3 Liam Payne - Strip That Down 78,998

67 10 Shawn Mendes - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back 78,183

68 2 Post Malone - Go Flex 77,426

69 2 Imagine Dragons - Thunder 77,079

70 4 Post Malone - White Iverson 76,906

71 -11 Jax Jones - Instruction 76,206

72 8 J HUS - Did You See 75,195

73 -8 Liam Gallagher - Greedy Soul 74,579

74 5 DJ Khaled - I'm the One 73,815

75 6 Maggie Lindemann - Pretty Girl - Cheat Codes X CADE Remix 73,691

76 10 Not3s - Aladdin 70,839

77 6 Clean Bandit - Symphony 70,589

78 27 DJ Snake - A Different Way (Feat. Lauv) 69,828

79 8 Travi$ Scott - Butterfly Effect 69,819

80 10 Drake - Signs 69,636

81 -9 Giggs - Peligro 69,578

82 -27 The Kooks - Naive 68,731

83 -16 Little Mix - Power 68,427

84 16 Snakehips - Either Way 68,298

85 4 Ed Sheeran - Galway Girl 68,182

86 6 Ed Sheeran - Castle on the Hill 66,853

87 6 Lorde - Homemade Dynamite (Feat. Khalid, Post Malone & SZA) - REMIX 66,798

88 -30 Axwell /\ Ingrosso - More Than You Know 66,352

89 8 The Chainsmokers - Something Just Like This 65,896

90 -5 Liam Gallagher - Bold 64,688

91 16 Anne-Marie - Heavy 64,438

92 16 Jorja Smith - On My Mind (Jorja Smith X Preditah) 64,284

93 10 Oasis - Wonderwall - Remastered 63,759

94 10 Niall Horan - Slow Hands 63,408

95 11 Fall Out Boy - The Last Of The Real Ones 62,715

96 5 Taylor Swift - ... Ready For It? 62,632

97 5 James Arthur - Say You Won't Let Go 62,081

98 1 Liam Gallagher - Chinatown 61,545

99 32 Maroon 5 - Help Me Out 61,166

100 -6 Liam Gallagher - Paper Crown 61,050

 

101 28 Oasis - Don't Look Back in Anger - Remastered 61,048

102 17 Ariana Grande - One Last Time 60,976

103 9 Martin Jensen - Solo Dance 60,763

104 5 Jason Derulo - Swalla 60,159

105 5 Imagine Dragons - Believer 59,316

106 7 Camila Cabello - Crying in the Club 58,249

107 -31 Kanye West - Stronger 57,004

108 9 Drake - Passionfruit 56,813

109 -18 Giggs - Ultimate Gangsta 56,812

110 11 LottoBoyzz - No Don 56,330

111 9 Childish Gambino - Redbone 55,992

112 -1 Lauv - I Like Me Better 55,740

113 13 Future - Mask Off 55,682

114 11 Stormzy - Big For Your Boots 55,398

115 3 David Guetta - 2U 55,309

116 16 Lil Pump - Gucci Gang 54,587

117 20 Drake - One Dance 54,168

118 20 Ed Sheeran - Happier 53,817

119 -23 Bastille - Pompeii 53,613

120 14 ALMA - Chasing Highs 53,295

121 -6 Liam Gallagher - Come Back To Me 53,212

122 -8 Liam Gallagher - When I'm In Need 52,901

123 7 Khalid - Location 52,687

124 -49 Two Door Cinema Club - What You Know 52,533

125 14 Major Lazer - Know No Better 52,228

126 -60 JP Cooper - September Song 52,132

127 -43 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - Holy Mountain 51,742

128 -5 Liam Gallagher - You Better Run 51,619

129 11 Travi$ Scott - goosebumps 51,049

130 15 Ed Sheeran - What Do I Know? 50,926

131 17 Eminem - Lose Yourself - Soundtrack Version 50,509

132 10 Krept & Konan - Wo Wo Wo 49,750

133 18 Lil Uzi Vert - The Way Life Goes 49,514

134 24 ALMA - Phases 49,466

135 17 R. Kelly - Ignition - Remix 49,365

136 -20 Giggs - The Essence 49,296

137 -10 Charli XCX - Boys 49,254

138 8 Miley Cyrus - Malibu 49,223

139 -15 AJ Tracey - Quarterback (Secure The Bag!) 48,579

140 7 Hailee Steinfeld - Let Me Go 48,078

141 -46 Martin Solveig - Places 47,868

142 7 Arctic Monkeys - Fluorescent Adolescent 47,775

143 11 J HUS - Fisherman 47,699

144 12 Hailee Steinfeld - Most Girls 47,377

145 12 Jax Jones - You Don't Know Me 47,003

146 -11 Giggs - Times Tickin 46,169

147 -59 Florence + The Machine - You've Got The Love 46,097

148 14 Disciples - On My Mind 45,567

149 6 Xxxtentacion - Everybody Dies In Their Nightmares 45,146

150 19 Ed Sheeran - Supermarket Flowers 45,090

151 -18 Giggs - Gully Niggaz 44,886

152 16 Arctic Monkeys - Do I Wanna Know? 44,510

153 8 Drake - KMT 44,496

154 -1 Liam Gallagher - I Get By 44,352

155 RE NEIKED - Sexual 44,179

156 11 Foster The People - Pumped up Kicks 44,174

157 34 Dave - Samantha 44,044

158 6 Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud 44,021

159 7 The Weeknd - Starboy 43,955

160 = Clean Bandit - Rockabye 43,922

161 19 JAY Z - Numb/Encore 43,308

162 1 Kendrick Lamar - DNA. 43,294

163 -19 Giggs - Gangstas & Dancers 43,270

164 NEW Dave - Question Time 43,201

165 6 Zedd - Stay 43,120

166 19 Bryson Tiller - Run Me Dry 43,111

167 21 The Kooks - She Moves In Her Own Way 43,037

168 4 The Chainsmokers - Closer 42,945

169 7 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - Can't Hold Us 42,815

170 16 Snow Patrol - Chasing Cars 42,637

171 10 The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army 42,428

172 5 Kanye West - Gold Digger 42,364

173 5 Kygo - It Ain't Me 42,244

174 13 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop 41,977

175 8 James Bay - Let It Go 41,798

176 -1 Sam Smith - Stay With Me 41,439

177 2 Post Malone - No Option 41,434

178 NEW NF - Let You Down 41,363

179 13 Cheat Codes - No Promises 41,179

180 17 Vance Joy - Riptide 40,881

181 RE The Black Eyed Peas - Where Is The Love? 40,740

182 7 Ed Sheeran - Photograph 40,709

183 12 ZAYN - I Don’t Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker) 40,634

184 -2 Giggs - Lock Doh 40,362

185 11 ZAYN - Still Got Time 40,226

186 13 Not3s - Addison Lee 39,867

187 RE Hardy Caprio - Super Soaker 39,750

188 RE The Goo Goo Dolls - Iris 39,444

189 RE Rag'n'Bone Man - Human 39,388

190 -16 AJ Tracey - Blacked Out 39,284

191 RE Calvin Harris - Slide 39,127

192 -22 Liam Gallagher - I've All I Need 39,075

193 RE Bugzy Malone - Memory Lane 39,036

194 -21 Liam Gallagher - Universal Gleam 39,012

195 RE Imagine Dragons - Demons 38,831

196 RE Xxxtentacion - Look At Me! 38,699

197 3 James Arthur - Can I Be Him 38,606

198 RE TLC - No Scrubs 38,567

199 -40 Taylor Swift - Shake It Off 38,428

200 RE Duke Dumont & Gorgon City - Real Life 38,287

Cardi B already removed from Hot Hits!?

Random question: Every time I've tried to play Rita Ora - Your Song I get "This song is not available".

 

Is that happening for anyone else? Is there genuinely a fault with it or is it just me?

 

Have you tried closing and re-opening spotify? If you purchased it on iTunes, close that too. I've found iTunes interferes with spotify for whatever reason and sometimes get the "this song is not available" randomly. Could be due to your computer/internet not connecting to the spotify servers briefly (not necessarily anything to do with your end, more so spotify's end).

Cardi B already removed from Hot Hits!?

Yeah, how weird.

Have no idea why they did that.

very static chart

26 khalid

45 pray (new in t 50)

48 charlie puth (new in t 50)