1. Close

2. Absolutely not!

3. Correct

4. Absolutely not.

5. absolutely not.

6. For example?

 

2 out of 5, with one pending - not too good an assessment... :rolleyes:

 

must be very bad at expressing yourself clearly then cos my ability to process information and come to a conclusion quickly (and retain it) is pretty much what I do for a living...how about you? Self-employed at what? Something that benefits from a hard Brexit?

 

That would explain a lot.....

I see nothing to indicate they are trying to give themselves that power over *all* legislation - just ex-EU stuff? :unsure:

 

"just".

 

You don't have a clue how ingrained these are into UK life and EU life and how it impacts on our future trading and reductions in standards of imports (if you listen to the nutters currently in control and their intentions as stated)...

 

 

Because I don't already have enough opponents here? :rolleyes:

 

You shouldn't think of people as opponents. The system and how it works are the opponents of the working and middle class. It's just a pity not enough people realise how we have been indoctornated into believing that the poor are to blame for the lack of equality of opportunies they have. The middle class are much closer to being poor than wealthy, yet the belief is fostered by the media that you to can be rich, if only you work hard enough. Yet work isn't rewarded enough to make anyone wealthy. Only resources bring super wealth, and 90 %of us will never have enough to never worry about money again.

 

Why would anyone defend a system that produces such unfavourable results? If you could have chosen a system of economics to be born into, without knowing where your place in the system would be, would you have honestly chosen this one we live in?

must be very bad at expressing yourself clearly then cos my ability to process information and come to a conclusion quickly (and retain it) is pretty much what I do for a living...how about you? Self-employed at what? Something that benefits from a hard Brexit?

 

That would explain a lot.....

 

I am under no obligation to disclose what I do for a living, so why are you so curious?

 

You shouldn't think of people as opponents.

 

Well, it's hard to think of people who are always on my case as allies. ;)

 

The system and how it works are the opponents of the working and middle class. It's just a pity not enough people realise how we have been indoctornated into believing that the poor are to blame for the lack of equality of opportunies they have. The middle class are much closer to being poor than wealthy, yet the belief is fostered by the media that you to can be rich, if only you work hard enough. Yet work isn't rewarded enough to make anyone wealthy. Only resources bring super wealth, and 90 %of us will never have enough to never worry about money again.

 

Why would anyone defend a system that produces such unfavourable results? If you could have chosen a system of economics to be born into, without knowing where your place in the system would be, would you have honestly chosen this one we live in?

 

You're not related to Queef of Peace, by any chance? :P

I am under no obligation to disclose what I do for a living, so why are you so curious?

Well, it's hard to think of people who are always on my case as allies. ;)

 

You're not related to Queef of Peace, by any chance? :P

The sad truth is that you and the people who always get on your case are actually on the same side of the argument (unless you are in the top 10% of society in terms of wealth). They can see the structural problems of the capitalist system which only works for the very few. After the WW2 there was a consensus to act more fairly, but that is long gone. Now we are left with a system that actually punishes low paid workers for working, and demonized those who don't or can't work. The sad truth is the majority of the nation is weeks sway from poverty and homelessness, yet the media and the elite tell us all is well, and things will get better. They will but only for them

The sad truth is that you and the people who always get on your case are actually on the same side of the argument (unless you are in the top 10% of society in terms of wealth). They can see the structural problems of the capitalist system which only works for the very few.

 

I'm reminded of this quote :

 

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Winston Churchill

 

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_101776

 

 

I am under no obligation to disclose what I do for a living, so why are you so curious?

Well, it's hard to think of people who are always on my case as allies. ;)

 

You're not related to Queef of Peace, by any chance? :P

 

1. Nosey and suspicious.

2. maybe you should take on board reasonable comments and accept they are valid then instead of getting all defensive and "I can believe what I want even if I have nothing to offer to back up my opinion" then?

3. The US system is entirely based on the work ethic: that if you are poor it's because you are lazy or stupid. This is a lie. THe UK system has elements of it and it's only due to decades of progress of liberal and left-leaning groups that we arent still serfs without the vote begging for poor-house scraps. Feel free to argue the toss by comparing someone with someone else on the grounds you have nothing worthwhile to say so you resort to sly innuendo....cos I spot it every time.

The sad truth is that you and the people who always get on your case are actually on the same side of the argument (unless you are in the top 10% of society in terms of wealth). They can see the structural problems of the capitalist system which only works for the very few. After the WW2 there was a consensus to act more fairly, but that is long gone. Now we are left with a system that actually punishes low paid workers for working, and demonized those who don't or can't work. The sad truth is the majority of the nation is weeks sway from poverty and homelessness, yet the media and the elite tell us all is well, and things will get better. They will but only for them

 

You are WOKE

 

The neoliberal economic system we have is out of control and works only for the very wealthy. With the technological innovations of today, 25% could support the other 75% and we could live in an egalitarian society. However, those t the top refuse and profit of other people's labour themselves whilst decrying the moves towards egalitarianism as 'unfair'... Late stage capitalists would charge us for air if they could get away with it.

1. Nosey and suspicious.

 

2. maybe you should take on board reasonable comments and accept they are valid then instead of getting all defensive and "I can believe what I want even if I have nothing to offer to back up my opinion" then?

3. The US system is entirely based on the work ethic: that if you are poor it's because you are lazy or stupid. This is a lie. THe UK system has elements of it and it's only due to decades of progress of liberal and left-leaning groups that we arent still serfs without the vote begging for poor-house scraps. Feel free to argue the toss by comparing someone with someone else on the grounds you have nothing worthwhile to say so you resort to sly innuendo....cos I spot it every time.

 

1. Why 'suspicious'? :unsure:

 

2. I do take them on board, but they are very rare (at least from my perspective). Opinions are a statement of what you believe - they don't necessarily have to be backed up with facts to be valid to the person holding them. That's only necessary when you are trying to talk someone else round to your pov (something which I have long since realised is impossible here).

 

3. I agree with this, apart from your suggestion that I have nothing worthwhile to say.

Moving onto more important events...

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/05/09...-corbyn-to-hide

 

So, Labour supporters, just how do you think Jezza is going to make Labour MP's vote on this in the Commons?

 

A last chance to give us a decent deal and what many Leave-voters thought they were voting for (based on Brexiteering campaign lies)?

 

Or something else that he actually has always wanted his whole political life?

 

How can you support a man willing to harm the UK to get his own way? Clearly most of you feel this is the case or else you would have supported the official Brexit party in power?

 

So explain how we will be able to afford all of the marvellous social policies given we still owe shitloads as a nation and the economy is likely to dive under a Hard Brexit and we are forced to accept any old shit deal from any country willing to turn on the screws? We can't negotiate with people we have worked with for 40 years, much less anyone else who will have the upper hand and very definitely WON'T give us a better deal than the one we currently have as members of the EU?

What do y'all make if the new polls out giving Remain a TEN point lead?

 

Almost at 60% - coming close to a supermajority and 3/4 nations. Little England can suck it up. The people have spoken.

What do y'all make if the new polls out giving Remain a TEN point lead?

 

Did you have specific ones in mind, as this is the only recent one I can find...

 

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-th...uld-you-vote-2/

 

and it shows just a 3% lead.

 

Almost at 60% - coming close to a supermajority and 3/4 nations. Little England can suck it up. The people have spoken.

 

So, to you, an opinion poll of a couple of thousand people counts more than a referendum vote of 33.4m? :unsure:

I must say, I’m enjoying my time in the parallel universe I seem to have stepped into in the past few days, where those Remainers on the left who until recently saw the House of Lords as an aberration suddenly think its the best thing ever, whilst Leavers who were until recently were on team Lords see its scrapping as the #1 priority. It’s almost as if people’s opinion of the Lords is directly tied into whether they think its current makeup is on their side or not...

I must say, I’m enjoying my time in the parallel universe I seem to have stepped into in the past few days, where those Remainers on the left who until recently saw the House of Lords as an aberration suddenly think its the best thing ever, whilst Leavers who were until recently were on team Lords see its scrapping as the #1 priority. It’s almost as if people’s opinion of the Lords is directly tied into whether they think its current makeup is on their side or not...

 

Grin.

 

However, even as a Leaver, I've always advocated Lords reform.

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I must say, I’m enjoying my time in the parallel universe I seem to have stepped into in the past few days, where those Remainers on the left who until recently saw the House of Lords as an aberration suddenly think its the best thing ever, whilst Leavers who were until recently were on team Lords see its scrapping as the #1 priority. It’s almost as if people’s opinion of the Lords is directly tied into whether they think its current makeup is on their side or not...

 

I must say, I’m enjoying my time in the parallel universe I seem to have stepped into in the past few days, where those Remainers on the left who until recently saw the House of Lords as an aberration suddenly think its the best thing ever, whilst Leavers who were until recently were on team Lords see its scrapping as the #1 priority. It’s almost as if people’s opinion of the Lords is directly tied into whether they think its current makeup is on their side or not...

 

I love it smashing the Tpries and their grubby little racist Brexit that they think they can go for a Hard Brexit with on only 51%.

 

Howeverrr it IS archaic and representative of systematic inequality.

The Mail is VILE. Far right homophobic sexist racist incedinary RUBBISH.

 

 

How about an excellent resume of the Brexit situation, freed from bias, purely stating the situation from a practical and logical situation?

 

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.co.uk/...undamental.html

Jacob Rees Toff has said he doesn't need to go to NI to understand the border in perhaps thr biggest show of imperial arrogance since Farage demanded Ireland respect the will of the British vote and leave too as, um, an independent nation heavily in support of remaining vs a 50/50vote across generational lines in the UK :rofl:

 

Arrogant Etonian douche

Jacob Rees Toff has said he doesn't need to go to NI to understand the border in perhaps thr buggrst show of imperial arrogance since Farage demanded Ireland respect the will of the British vote and leave too as, um, an independent nation heavily in support of remaining vs a 50/50

0 vote across generational lines in the UK :rofl:

 

Arrogant Etonian douche

 

Hopefully he'll be forced to visit as PM after May's government collapses thanks to him and the border becomes the new frontier of all of his self-imposed troubles. I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome on his entrance. Or up it....