It was the same point and worth repeating.

 

You are using the techniques of spreading lies and you continue to do so. You are either gullible or doing it intentionally. Either way you further the right wing agenda as pushed and explained in the article.

 

Any article that his a prominent picture of Hitler is instantly discredited - no sane person would use it to base any judgement on!

 

 

Btw i see you are noticeably inactive in commenting on the progress of the brexit deals. I thought you would be over the moon that a deal has been reached and we can more likely be able to trade with our closest neighbours for the wellbeing of the uk and that british parliament can now democratically decide on the final deal representing the views of the british people. You DO want the uk to do well dont you? You did want british people to have a democratically elected parliament control our destiny? I certainly dont recall anything in the regerendum about electing May Queen as ruler over the queendom.

 

I haven't commented on it, because I didn't want to hear from smug Remainers who've get Brexit rescinded in all but name! :puke:

Any article that his a prominent picture of Hitler is instantly discredited - no sane person would use it to base any judgement on!

I haven't commented on it, because I didn't want to hear from smug Remainers who've get Brexit rescinded in all but name! :puke:

Brexit is going ahead as you voted for. What part of brexit means brexit dont you understand?

They *could* - but it would be political suicide. Who on earth would be dumb enough to piss off 17.4 million voters, a majority of whom support the party in power!

 

So 37% of the electorate. If they support the shitty tories, then rvery single mp and rebel should vote against it.

So 37% of the electorate. If they support the shitty tories, then rvery single mp and rebel should vote against it.

 

Be nuanced, the Tories can do good on occasion. What's more pertinent is that people barely hold the government to account for so many things, voter's memories are short and many get tired of a political story easily after weeks, let alone 18 months. The amount of votes they'd lose from 'betrayed' Brexiteer club members is nowhere near 17 million in size. And they're not going to reverse Brexit.

 

Any article that his a prominent picture of Hitler is instantly discredited - no sane person would use it to base any judgement on!

 

The only way I can read this is that you are advocating against learning any lessons from the most significant and ghastly event of the 20th century... for no other reason than because it's overused (which is largely because the vast majority of us find it rather important that it is not allowed to happen again), but this time, entirely justified. Some of the people you are siding with are literal neo-nazis and raging anti-semites. Please introspect yourself.

 

I haven't commented on it, because I didn't want to hear from smug Remainers who've get Brexit rescinded in all but name! puke.gif

 

Yet more evidence that you do not admit to being wrong, you never attempt to introspect yourself and your beliefs, and you do not debate effectively, rather act like a child who hasn't got his way by refusing to engage with the points we are making.

Brexit is going ahead as you voted for. What part of brexit means brexit dont you understand?

 

The same part that no-one else understands either? :P

 

Seriously though - what we look like ending up with will see us stuck with almost everything about the EU that led us to vote Out.

 

So 37% of the electorate. If they support the shitty tories, then rvery single mp and rebel should vote against it.

 

What is it with you & % of electorate vs % of voters? Why are you the only one who cannot grasp that only the latter counts?

 

Also, where did this huge bee-in-your-bonnet about the Tories come from? I'm no fan of them myself, but you seem to regard them almost as the spawn of the devil! :drama:

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The same part that no-one else understands either? :P

 

Seriously though - what we look like ending up with will see us stuck with almost everything about the EU that led us to vote Out.

What is it with you & % of electorate vs % of voters? Why are you the only one who cannot grasp that only the latter counts?

 

Also, where did this huge bee-in-your-bonnet about the Tories come from? I'm no fan of them myself, but you seem to regard them almost as the spawn of the devil! :drama:

That's a bit unfair on the devil.

The same part that no-one else understands either? :P

 

Seriously though - what we look like ending up with will see us stuck with almost everything about the EU that led us to vote Out.

So you chose to disregard all the factual warnings of the remain campaign in favour of unrealistic lies about leaving institutions that the uk was a driving force in creating and forming.

 

There are still years of negotiations ahead and nobody has a clue what will happen, as i have said before we are involved in an exercise in damage limitation to avoid a catastrophic blow to the uk economy and you just dont seem to care if that happens

That's a bit unfair on the devil.

 

Grin.

 

At least you have a sense of humour about politics, unlike some others here. :)

So you chose to disregard all the factual warnings of the remain campaign in favour of unrealistic lies about leaving institutions that the uk was a driving force in creating and forming.

 

There are still years of negotiations ahead and nobody has a clue what will happen, as i have said before we are involved in an exercise in damage limitation to avoid a catastrophic blow to the uk economy and you just dont seem to care if that happens

 

Well if Project Fear hadn't been so OTT, then it might have been taken more seriously.

 

Replace 'care' with 'believe'.

 

Have you seen the fascist daily Mail kicking off over starting to be on the losing side? The brainwashed babyboomers behind it are calling us 'soft headed millenials' ahahaha. Your timr is up, baby boomer Daily Mail lot. Let us take it from here ... and do a much better job of it.

Well if Project Fear hadn't been so OTT, then it might have been taken more seriously.

 

Replace 'care' with 'believe'.

Project fear was a campaign slogan thought up by the liars to discredit the campaign pre panic osbourne/cameron oar sticking in.

 

So Project Fear about Project Fear from people who cant cope with facts they dont like.

Grin.

 

At least you have a sense of humour about politics, unlike some others here. :)

How rude! I piss myself laughing every time adolph farage opens his american-election homophobic-misoginistic-allegedpedophile-supporting mouth. That was just this weeks larks.

 

Still sticking his oar into foreign politics, i see.

 

I say I say I say, what do you call a book written by an right-wing extremist homophobic nutter?

 

Mein Camp.

 

Comedy gold!!

Have you seen the fascist daily Mail kicking off over starting to be on the losing side? The brainwashed babyboomers behind it are calling us 'soft headed millenials' ahahaha.

 

Well, you like handing it out, so why would you have a problem taking it?

 

Project fear was a campaign slogan thought up by the liars to discredit the campaign pre panic osbourne/cameron oar sticking in.

 

So Project Fear about Project Fear from people who cant cope with facts they dont like.

 

Either way though, it worked.

 

The following is a genuine question (not that most of my others aren't - I jut feel the need to make it clear) ;) :

 

Do you think the result would have been different if the Remain campaign had emphasized the positives of staying in, rather than the dangers of getting out?

 

 

How rude! I piss myself laughing every time adolph farage opens his american-election homophobic-misoginistic-allegedpedophile-supporting mouth. That was just this weeks larks.

 

But there's a big difference between laughing at someone, to *with* them. The former is mockery - something you would not tolerate if the target were, say, gay or non-white...

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Either way though, it worked.

 

The following is a genuine question (not that most of my others aren't - I jut feel the need to make it clear) ;) :

 

Do you think the result would have been different if the Remain campaign had emphasized the positives of staying in, rather than the dangers of getting out?

But there's a big difference between laughing at someone, to *with* them. The former is mockery - something you would not tolerate if the target were, say, gay or non-white...

Yes i do think the remain campaign shoukd have stressed more positive points, though it would have been insane not to also state what we will be losing.

 

If the person was a gay or black or asian bigot my response would be exactly the same. So stop trying to make it sound like i tolerate such behaviour among nonwhite straight people because i dont and never have. Bigots and evil callous people come in all forms, and good people have to band together to keep them out of power, so as udual your remarks are just dumb wholesale bland sweeping statements because you choose to accept prejudice as an acceptable lifestyle choice and get pissed off at anyone who doesnt.

Yes i do think the remain campaign shoukd have stressed more positive points, though it would have been insane not to also state what we will be losing.

 

Do you think it would have made a difference to the result, though?

 

If the person was a gay or black or asian bigot my response would be exactly the same. So stop trying to make it sound like i tolerate such behaviour among nonwhite straight people because i dont and never have. Bigots and evil callous people come in all forms, and good people have to band together to keep them out of power, so as udual your remarks are just dumb wholesale bland sweeping statements because you choose to accept prejudice as an acceptable lifestyle choice and get pissed off at anyone who doesnt.

 

I suggest you re-read my post - I was referring to non-whites as victims of mockery, not perpetrators,

 

I *DO NOT* accept prejudice as an acceptable lifestyle choice, only as an inevitable downside of having freedom of speech.

 

I wish I had a penny for every time you misunderstood me.

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Do you think it would have made a difference to the result, though?

I suggest you re-read my post - I was referring to non-whites as victims of mockery, not perpetrators,

 

I *DO NOT* accept prejudice as an acceptable lifestyle choice, only as an inevitable downside of having freedom of speech.

 

I wish I had a penny for every time you misunderstood me.

Then you would have about 3p tops.

 

You misunderstand the implication of your own comment. I was mocking someone who supports people who wishes to take away votes from women, votes from black people, and who claims to be religious but is accused of being a pedophile. Someone who refuses to accept the democratic vote. Farage is a man who says it is wrong for obama to make a statement about trade deals after brexit - factually correct -while campainging for evil politicians in other countries.

 

Mocking someone for their opinions on antidemocratic principles is not the same as mocking someone for their sexuality or skin colour.

 

What part of that is misunderstanding what you said?

The Guardian published an article saying it is time we discuss the Daily Mail's role in inciting hatred. And I agree.

 

The rag has no place in a civilised society when it calls people traitors for rejecting fascist control of our democracy. It is beyond belief.

Then you would have about 3p tops.

 

Then you misunderstand how often you misunderstand me. :heehee:

 

You misunderstand the implication of your own comment. I was mocking someone who supports people who wishes to take away votes from women, votes from black people, and who claims to be religious but is accused of being a pedophile. Someone who refuses to accept the democratic vote.

When did Farage ever say he wanted to take away votes from women or blacks?

 

Who has accused him of being a peadophile?

 

What democratic vote doesn't he accept - certainly not that of 23/6/16!

 

 

 

 

The Guardian published an article saying it is time we discuss the Daily Mail's role in inciting hatred. And I agree.

 

Is this the article you refer to

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/d...y-brexit-rebels

 

If not, then which? The Guardian has the worst search facility of any newspaper I know! :(

 

The rag has no place in a civilised society when it calls people traitors for rejecting fascist control of our democracy. It is beyond belief.

 

How ironic - by using phrases like 'fascist control' you are using the same kind of hyperbole you accuse the Mail of!

Then you misunderstand how often you misunderstand me. :heehee:

 

When did Farage ever say he wanted to take away votes from women or blacks?

 

Who has accused him of being a peadophile?

 

What democratic vote doesn't he accept - certainly not that of 23/6/16!

Is this the article you refer to

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/d...y-brexit-rebels

 

If not, then which? The Guardian has the worst search facility of any newspaper I know! :(

How ironic - by using phrases like 'fascist control' you are using the same kind of hyperbole you accuse the Mail of!

Farage has been in the usa campaigning for someone who DOES 100% believe and is accused of those things. He therefore supports them. He is not an american citizen and has no interest in having to support someone other than he wants to. If you had read my sentence correctly and paid attention to current events then i would not be having to repeat myself again. Your reading and writing skills need work.

 

The wanna be senator lost the vote but refuses to accept he lost, blaming blacks.

 

The daily hate spreads and incites people to threaten our elected mps with death by calling skilled legal TORIES - and im having to support and defend actual bloody tories here - traitors. They actually know the rushed bill is legally shite and will cause horrendous problems. You know, experts. Which the leading brexiters arent. All of the tories who regularly vote against their own party are the snotty thick ones pushing for a hard brexit. As always you show you know nothing and just repeat mail headlines. There is no rom in a democracy for calling elected democrats making reasoned accurate points traitors and shit stirring as they did in the 30s in support of fascism. As you werent born then and its never been on mail online you may want to google a bit to find out about it

When we have MPs being threatened, one dead, and being called traitors for going against fascist dictator-style side-stepping of parliament, as the Mail did when the judges ruled on Mad May not having the authorty to vote it through herself, then no, it is doing a LOT of harm.