Like the American Revolution, perhaps? :rolleyes:

Yes exactly like brexiteers. Slave owning racists rich people out to destroy the tyranny of the British who had stolen the country away from native Americans. Exactly like Nigel garage then.

Yes exactly like brexiteers. Slave owning racists rich people out to destroy the tyranny of the British who had stolen the country away from native Americans. Exactly like Nigel garage then.

 

Well I was rather hoping to concentrate on the 'look how well it turned out in the end' aspects...

Well I was rather hoping to concentrate on the 'look how well it turned out in the end' aspects...

 

Given the state of the planet and the rate of decline I have my doubts about a happy ending for anyone and anything....

back on topic, here's a marvellous work of fiction from June 2016 which has now been deleted. I wonder why Daniel Hannan MP, one of the leading lights of Brexit, full of reassurances and optimism about how easy and marvellous it would all be has deleted this...

 

Could it be, gasp, he thinks it makes him look like a lying prick? Afraid of something wot he rote nay just 16 or so months ago. Imagine that.

 

https://archive.fo/CDBFf

People on here should be talking about Ireland a lot more - it could make or break any deal and once again shows exactly how the UK is unworkable when it comes to Ireland - English MPs don't give a toss of the consequences of their bigoted views to the peace process!

People on here should be talking about Ireland a lot more - it could make or break any deal and once again shows exactly how the UK is unworkable when it comes to Ireland - English MPs don't give a toss of the consequences of their bigoted views to the peace process!

 

OK then, here's a question : should a hypothetical reunited Ireland automatically be a full member of the EU?

 

ISTM it would be hard to argue otherwise, as that's what happened when Germany reunited after the end of the cold war...

OK then, here's a question : should a hypothetical reunited Ireland automatically be a full member of the EU?

 

ISTM it would be hard to argue otherwise, as that's what happened when Germany reunited after the end of the cold war...

 

....and another attempt to change the subject while ignoring the very valid (and vital) point being made. The first point was crucial to the understanding of the nature of our future relationship with the UK and Ireland, especially given 200 years of history.

 

The second point is completely irrelevant, an exercise in fantasy.

 

 

....and another attempt to change the subject while ignoring the very valid (and vital) point being made. The first point was crucial to the understanding of the nature of our future relationship with the UK and Ireland, especially given 200 years of history.

 

The second point is completely irrelevant, an exercise in fantasy.

 

I don't care how Brexit relates to Ireland.

I don't care how Brexit relates to Ireland.

So you don't care if we see a return of the Troubles? Coz sovvrintee innit.

So you don't care if we see a return of the Troubles? Coz sovvrintee innit.

 

And people claim *I* change the subject... :rolleyes:

And people claim *I* change the subject... :rolleyes:

You stated that you didn't care about the implications for the island of Ireland. A return of the Troubles is one potential consequence.

You stated that you didn't care about the implications for the island of Ireland. A return of the Troubles is one potential consequence.

 

How would that occur, then?

How would that occur, then?

How about a collapse of the Good Friday agreement? A free border is part of that agreement.

Up to £50b to be guaranteed in order to get onto trade deals. That EU is really rolling over exactly like the Leavers predicted isn't it?

 

The irish government can veto the whole deal if the border isn't sorted.

 

Davy davy has chopped out swathes of the Brexit Impact assessments he was told to publish by Parliament using that old Local Gov chestnut "financial confidentiality" which they always drag out when told to release something they have lied about that will embarrass politicians. (Trust me, I know how it works).

 

May be in contempt of Parliament for not showing what a useless job in assessing problems he has done. The EU Brexit assessments are free to access and read...

 

Week by week the case for Remain is proven to be accurate item by item, and the case for Leave a tissue of lies.

....and another attempt to change the subject while ignoring the very valid (and vital) point being made. The first point was crucial to the understanding of the nature of our future relationship with the UK and Ireland, especially given 200 years of history.

 

 

800 years. :wacko:

 

 

I, for one, do not want a united Ireland. We cannot afford it and I dont want to have to deal with a country that has any sizable population who believe in creationism and some of their politicians are equally idiotic.

 

No offence meant to anyone on here from Northern Ireland. Obviously, there's only a minority of these people but the less influence they have on my life the better.

 

I'm aware that this makes me look like a bigot.

Edited November 29, 20177 yr by Colm

200 years since the union which corrupted the relationship!

 

Thing is the DUP would likely be in coalition with FG if there was a United Ireland now as most old unionists joined that party after independence!

How about a collapse of the Good Friday agreement? A free border is part of that agreement.

 

The EU would share the blame for that.

 

Up to £50b to be guaranteed in order to get onto trade deals. That EU is really rolling over exactly like the Leavers predicted isn't it?

 

The irish government can veto the whole deal if the border isn't sorted.

 

Davy davy has chopped out swathes of the Brexit Impact assessments he was told to publish by Parliament using that old Local Gov chestnut "financial confidentiality" which they always drag out when told to release something they have lied about that will embarrass politicians. (Trust me, I know how it works).

 

May be in contempt of Parliament for not showing what a useless job in assessing problems he has done. The EU Brexit assessments are free to access and read...

 

Week by week the case for Remain is proven to be accurate item by item, and the case for Leave a tissue of lies.

 

It is May who is rolling over. :(

 

If the Irish veto it, we should get that 50b back. :P In any case, their blocking a deal won't prevent Brexit.

 

The decision is what matters, not the case.

Edited November 30, 20177 yr by vidcapper

Baby boomer 'used as term of abuse since the Brexit vote': Charity chiefs say group are facing resentment because they own their own homes and had free university education

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-51...rexit-vote.html

 

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Mere Mail rhetoric, or more than a grain of truth?

 

While the Mail may have over-egged the pudding as usual, it's no secret that there *has* been resentment from some younger people over 'their futures being harmed by Brexit'.

 

Why would anyone be resented for owning their own home, though - people had to work long & hard to pay for them.

 

As for the 'free university education' - how many young people even realise how few baby boomers even *went* to uni?

 

 

The EU would share the blame for that.

 

 

so that's alright then? As long as we have someone to blame for the escalation in sectarian violence, terrorism, murder, intimidation - basically the state of things in the 70s and 80s.

 

 

The EU would share the blame for that.

How? It's the UK government who seem to be asking for something impossible.