City have had luck too, Balotelli should've been sent off twice this season and didn't. Against Spurs he went on to score the winning goal and yesterday he still got sent off as they failed to take advantage of it. The decision for Young's penalty was awful yesterday but Man Utd are far from alone in getting decisions go for them and they do go against them from time to time too... I'd agree with any Man Utd fan that says the non-award of a penalty to Fulham at 1-0 cancelled out the award of a penalty to Newcastle when Rio played the ball which Demba Ba scored to make it 1-1.

 

Refs don't favour big teams but they occasionally make mistakes. If there's going to be a certain number of dodgy penalties given in any season the chances are more are going to be given to teams who spend longer in the opponents box, that is always the best teams, who also happen to be the biggest.

May fault for starting it haha. Though I didn't see the game so couldn't comment on it. I'm just completely sick of Man City and everything about them.

 

But that's not just it, the bigger teams more often than not get decisions going for them. Like I said earlier, Lee Mason had not produced a red card for 30 games, and is normally very reluctant to do that, so why produce one for a even that didn't even happen? I'm not saying there is some conspiracy, but if you counted up the decisions over the season I think undoubtedly they would come favouring the bigger clubs. Just look at Chelsea against Wigan at the weekend aswell, it's so hard to trust officals when they countlessly get big decisions wrong. I know they are only human, and 1/2 every game I can just about live with, but they're constantly deciding titles/relegation battles.

 

The fact that Man Utd have been so average and yet manage to sail to another title win says more for the quality in the Premiership at the moment than anything else really.

 

City were poor yesterday and Arsenal thoroughly deserved to win, they should have gone 2 or 3 up really and were quite unlucky in that respect, Man City never really threatened at all and the less said about Balotelli the better. Why didn't Mancini take him off for christ sake?

 

Man City don't have a striker who is better than Balotteli that's why. Dzeko is absolute gash.

But surely the red card was a red card yesterday? Obviously it shouldn't have been for other reasons but if Young was onside and was actually fouled how many refs wouldn't have given a red card? Very few. The red card aspect is surely the least debatable thing about it.

 

Some decisions are shocking, but it's all too easy to look at the TV replays and criticise. I can't remember what it was now but the other week I saw some pundits 'prove' a ref had made a wrong decision regarding a penalty, but to do that they had to watch 4 slow motion replays from 4 different angles. The Danny Simpson handball against Liverpool on the line was another one, I saw plenty of people (not here) say the ref made the wrong decision. How had he? He was standing where refs are supposed to stand from corners, and could never have seen him because Carroll and a defender were blocking his view, if the assistant is standing where he should then there's no way he could see it because the post would obscure his view.

 

As long as there is no retrospective punishment for diving and as long as referees aren't allowed to speak about anything to the media there will always be problems. There was a study that said linesmen make the correct call 99.3% of the time on all decisions they have to make, that's insanely high accuracy. I just don't know what you can do without ruining the game, because far too much of football is opinion. In other sports any review system deals with only fact, the majority of things wrong with football are not. The only thing you could improve is goal-line technology and possibly offside calls, but you always need a tonne of replays for that, particularly the tight ones. There could be some form of review system introduced but that would be far too difficult to come up with something and wouldn't work in football.

So good to see someone (RFC) talking complete and utter sense on this issue. Sick to the back teeth of all these United haters, out to jump on the bandwagon of referees gifting us games. Even this weekend, everyone has focused on Young and completley forgotten that Chelsea were gifted two absolutley ludicrious goals, the first especially, which may end up bring the difference in Wigan going down.

 

The fact is, until technology is brought in, and utilized as effectivley as it is in the likes of Rugby, Cricket and Tennis, these decisions will continue to happen. Because like RFC says, how can the referee be held accountable for giving what he sees from an angle which may or may not be favourable?

 

I just hope when the inevitable Technology jump happens, these silly cries of United get all the big decisions will stop.

But surely the red card was a red card yesterday? Obviously it shouldn't have been for other reasons but if Young was onside and was actually fouled how many refs wouldn't have given a red card? Very few. The red card aspect is surely the least debatable thing about it.

 

Some decisions are shocking, but it's all too easy to look at the TV replays and criticise. I can't remember what it was now but the other week I saw some pundits 'prove' a ref had made a wrong decision regarding a penalty, but to do that they had to watch 4 slow motion replays from 4 different angles. The Danny Simpson handball against Liverpool on the line was another one, I saw plenty of people (not here) say the ref made the wrong decision. How had he? He was standing where refs are supposed to stand from corners, and could never have seen him because Carroll and a defender were blocking his view, if the assistant is standing where he should then there's no way he could see it because the post would obscure his view.

 

As long as there is no retrospective punishment for diving and as long as referees aren't allowed to speak about anything to the media there will always be problems. There was a study that said linesmen make the correct call 99.3% of the time on all decisions they have to make, that's insanely high accuracy. I just don't know what you can do without ruining the game, because far too much of football is opinion. In other sports any review system deals with only fact, the majority of things wrong with football are not. The only thing you could improve is goal-line technology and possibly offside calls, but you always need a tonne of replays for that, particularly the tight ones. There could be some form of review system introduced but that would be far too difficult to come up with something and wouldn't work in football.

 

But how can it be a red card when he barely even touched him? By the laws of the game it should be a red card, but how many red cards are giving for shirt pulling on the box? Probably 1/2 a season, when it happens every game. They're just not consistent. The Danny Simpson one, the ref had his view blocked yes I can agree with that, but the linesman was clearly struggling with the sun, why aren't they allowed to wear caps? It's big decisions that are ruining games. I thought referees can talk to the media after games? I can a lot of them choose not to, but I'm sure they're able to. They have difficult jobs I agree with that, but time and time again they get massice decisions wrong. The linesman yesterday was standing int he correct place, yet Young was standing a yard and a half offside and he never gave it. Refs have to be 100% sure to make decisions, far too often they're swayed by the crowd and the players.

 

So good to see someone (RFC) talking complete and utter sense on this issue. Sick to the back teeth of all these United haters, out to jump on the bandwagon of referees gifting us games. Even this weekend, everyone has focused on Young and completley forgotten that Chelsea were gifted two absolutley ludicrious goals, the first especially, which may end up bring the difference in Wigan going down.

 

The fact is, until technology is brought in, and utilized as effectivley as it is in the likes of Rugby, Cricket and Tennis, these decisions will continue to happen. Because like RFC says, how can the referee be held accountable for giving what he sees from an angle which may or may not be favourable?

 

I just hope when the inevitable Technology jump happens, these silly cries of United get all the big decisions will stop.

 

I mentioned earlier about Wigan. Just like how Liverpool on Saturday probably couldn't have got a penalty, as the referee was just never going to give one. The reason the Man Utd one has got so much attention is because the officals made 3 mistakes within 30 seconds of each other. If referees are unsure they should NOT give the decision. Far too often the referees and linesman are just making guesses, hoping they're right.

It's not clear whether the referee gave the penalty for a tug on the shirt (which definitely did happen) or a trip (which didn't happen). In any event, in his view, Young was denied a clear goalscoring opportunity. He showed the red card so quickly that the assistant didn't get a chance to say Young was offside.

That was awful, must have only had 2 shots on target, not many more off target either. Forest wanted it so much more. Guedioura is quality, would probably be the best player in the Wolves team if he was back there :lol:

It's not clear whether the referee gave the penalty for a tug on the shirt (which definitely did happen) or a trip (which didn't happen). In any event, in his view, Young was denied a clear goalscoring opportunity. He showed the red card so quickly that the assistant didn't get a chance to say Young was offside.

You made my reply for me. I'd have thought it was a standard denying a goalscoring opportunity red card, I don't think it matters whether that's a trip, a push or a tug of the shirt, it's always going to be a red card.

That was awful, must have only had 2 shots on target, not many more off target either. Forest wanted it so much more. Guedioura is quality, would probably be the best player in the Wolves team if he was back there :lol:

He is class, honestly the best player we've had in a long time. No idea how he could never get in the Wolves team ahead of the likes of Henry and Milijas. Really pleased we won today, listened on the radio and it seemed very familiar to begin with, complete domination without getting infront. What did you think of the red card? Cotterill said we'll appeal.

Can't remember seeing a game in the Premier League where a team won by four goals without having to actually work for it.

 

Everton might as well have been playing the Dog and fucking Duck. Embarrassing.

David Moyes deserves so much credit and a better job, the things he's done for Everton is quite wonderful.

What on earth has happened to Aston Villa? From pushing from top 4 to fighting for survival.

Meanwhile, Tottenham bottled it!

David Moyes deserves so much credit and a better job, the things he's done for Everton is quite wonderful.

 

My nan dog could have been in charge of Everton today and they'd have won. That's how poor we were.

 

I honestly do not know why I bother. I really don't.

He is class, honestly the best player we've had in a long time. No idea how he could never get in the Wolves team ahead of the likes of Henry and Milijas. Really pleased we won today, listened on the radio and it seemed very familiar to begin with, complete domination without getting infront. What did you think of the red card? Cotterill said we'll appeal.

 

Didn't get an amazing view of it, but I was surprised at it. Not sure what the ref saw but he rushed straight over with the red card. From what I could see it did look late, and wasn't the best tackle ever, but probably not worth a straight red.

David Moyes deserves so much credit and a better job, the things he's done for Everton is quite wonderful.

What on earth has happened to Aston Villa? From pushing from top 4 to fighting for survival.

Meanwhile, Tottenham bottled it!

 

David Moyes has done nothing at Everton. They're a nothing club, and forever will be bitter. They had one good seasonn where they finished above Liverpool (and ok they might do so this season), yet the media proclaim him to have done brilliantly. The guy can have 10 more years in charge of Everton for all I care, as they'll never win anything whilst he's in charge.

 

And Villa have McLeish in charge. They'll comfortably be a mid-table/relegation side whilst he's in charge. They have some good footballers, but their tactic is long ball, Heskey flick on and hope either Agbonhalor/Bent can feed on the scraps.

after seeing bristol city beat coventry 3-1 i think we could just about stay up. we could do with a few key signings in the summer. five i would go for who i know of is amougou (solid at the back and has a presence) mcmanus (same as amougou but a bit more polished) ephraim (has pace and provides a bit of trickery) Rhodes (unlikely we will get him but it would be a good signing to our front line) chris wood ( west brom have made it clear he is unwanted but he would fit in well with our style of play.

Realistically i reckon we will get about 2 of these but you never know.

Ballotelli doesnt fancy a move down south does he?

after seeing bristol city beat coventry 3-1 i think we could just about stay up. we could do with a few key signings in the summer. five i would go for who i know of is amougou (solid at the back and has a presence) mcmanus (same as amougou but a bit more polished) ephraim (has pace and provides a bit of trickery) Rhodes (unlikely we will get him but it would be a good signing to our front line) chris wood ( west brom have made it clear he is unwanted but he would fit in well with our style of play.

Realistically i reckon we will get about 2 of these but you never know.

Ballotelli doesnt fancy a move down south does he?

 

Does Martyn Woolford still play for your lot?

 

David Moyes is a fantastic manager as what he has transformed everton into is unreal, especially considering the amount of funds he has had to bring people in. For everton to be competing with newcastle, arsenal and spurs the last few seasons has been a huge surprise. this season they've been a bit unlucky but equally they haven't really replaced piennar, if everton finish seventh as they currently are then they wont have failed. Currently they are above villa, fulham and liverpool which may be down to bad luck but equally everton must of had some class to be where they are now. Im not an everton expert, but i think this years been a succesful year for the toffies as a whole when you bear in mind there circumstamces B-)

Does Martyn Woolford still play for your lot?

yes he does. I dont rate him personally but some people do. I reckopn he will leave in the summer though.

David Moyes is a fantastic manager as what he has transformed everton into is unreal, especially considering the amount of funds he has had to bring people in. For everton to be competing with newcastle, arsenal and spurs the last few seasons has been a huge surprise. this season they've been a bit unlucky but equally they haven't really replaced piennar, if everton finish seventh as they currently are then they wont have failed. Currently they are above villa, fulham and liverpool which may be down to bad luck but equally everton must of had some class to be where they are now. Im not an everton expert, but i think this years been a succesful year for the toffies as a whole when you bear in mind there circumstamces B-)

 

Loads of the Everton fans don't like him. Mind you they're an idiotic bunch at the best of times. They've got Piennar back now, and he's helped them a lot. Given them another outlet to their play. I still think they're shit though. Going to get a battering at the weekend at Wembley. They've forgotten Liverpool are a cup side!

 

 

yes he does. I dont rate him personally but some people do. I reckopn he will leave in the summer though.

 

I don't know how he is doing these days, but he is by far the best player I have ever seen in the Conference. He used to play for the team I support (York) and he's far better than some of the other players I have seen that are expected to move on to big things (e.g. Vardy).

David Moyes is a very good manager and has done well for Everton but I do think he's somewhat overrated. Everton tend to finish behind however many big teams have the strength that season, when it was only the big 4 they were always 5th/6th with Villa, now Spurs and City have moved up they're always 7th/8th, which is where their budget would indicate really. They don't spend huge amounts on transfer fees but their wage bill has increased a hell of a lot over the past few seasons, he's overrated in the transfer market too. Makes some very good signings but overpays for some shite too.

do you people know nothing. wolves to make late title push. anyone give me any odds for that lol. :banana: :rofl:

man utd will win title but will be close. would love too see city do it but they dont have the experience to take utds crown.