a perfect summary of 2018 UK by an actual journalist:

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-storie...rexit-1-5644402

well there's a thing....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...witch-to-remain

 

but, no we're not allowed to have another democratic decision now we know the facts because it's far more important we stick with the vote result based on lies and fantasy and corruption.

 

well there's a thing....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/a...witch-to-remain

 

but, no we're not allowed to have another democratic decision now we know the facts because it's far more important we stick with the vote result based on lies and fantasy and corruption.

 

Hey, you've already posted this in another thread!

Hey, you've already posted this in another thread!

 

different comment for it because there are multiple implications.

different comment for it because there are multiple implications.

 

Not unless/until the gov't offers another referendum.

Not unless/until the gov't offers another referendum.

 

read my comments on the next election.

Ah, but if a follow-up referenda produced the result *you* wanted, then public opinion changed again, back towards Brexit, wouldn't you resist yet another vote?

 

I should also point out that, when asked here, I haven't opposed the idea of a 2nd referendum. only the timing of it.

 

No. Because if it changed back there would be presumably some substantial reason for it. The first referendum was based on lies and corruption. The second should in theory be based on actual facts and actual agreement presented (or nothing presented), so no lies and corruption. Should evidence come forward, regardless of the result, that the public were again lied to by either side fiddling illegally targeting them with propaganda, then a 3rd one should be on the cards until we finally get to a fair and true decision.

 

Glad to hear you have changed your mind on a second referendum cos I recall you were only in favour if the options were 1) accept the deal on offer or 2) a Hard Brexit. The real referendum would be based on 1) whatever deal or no deal is on offer or 2) stay in the EU, because 1) can only the best possible deal on offer and a worse offer should not be the only cough blackmail cough alternative.

 

But then you know my views on that....

 

Timing is crucial, because their is no point leaving on a Hard Brexit and then finding out the economy has been destroyed in the process. Or more likely, your preferred voting time will be after you are dead.....

No. Because if it changed back there would be presumably some substantial reason for it. The first referendum was based on lies and corruption. The second should in theory be based on actual facts and actual agreement presented (or nothing presented), so no lies and corruption.

 

So, no Project Fear then, either.

 

Timing is crucial, because their is no point leaving on a Hard Brexit and then finding out the economy has been destroyed in the process.

 

Or what I call the 'Chicken Little' argument...

So, no Project Fear then, either.

Or what I call the 'Chicken Little' argument...

 

You deal in Project Lie, I deal in project fact. I think our respective contributions on these forums show that quite clearly.

 

Notice you're not denying it.....

You deal in Project Lie, I deal in project fact. I think our respective contributions on these forums show that quite clearly.

 

Notice you're not denying it.....

 

OK then, I will not mention Project Fear, as long as you do not mention 'Project Lie' as you call it...

But project lie is a fact? It actually happened?

OK then, I will not mention Project Fear, as long as you do not mention 'Project Lie' as you call it...

 

 

Errr never ever going to stop mentioning all the lies told by the massive lying rich self-interested, business-moving-to-EU lying liars who have thrown us to the wolves while saving their own lying bacon living and working in the EU and being paid off by morally bankrupt Russian-financed millionaires, Russian hacking, and illegal finances, while sticking their noses into trying to ruin other countries futures too when they have no business even commenting on them never mind supporting far-right racist organisations.

 

Then there's all those lies they told in the referendum I could mention.......

 

Now we are approaching Brexit, I'm sure you could revisit many of the Project Fear statements and show what was predicted to happen before we left, and after, and compare with what has actually happened up to now, and say, in a year or two.

 

Should be fun.

Errr never ever going to stop mentioning all the lies told by the massive lying rich self-interested, business-moving-to-EU lying liars who have thrown us to the wolves while saving their own lying bacon living and working in the EU and being paid off by morally bankrupt Russian-financed millionaires, Russian hacking, and illegal finances, while sticking their noses into trying to ruin other countries futures too when they have no business even commenting on them never mind supporting far-right racist organisations.

 

Then there's all those lies they told in the referendum I could mention.......

 

Now we are approaching Brexit, I'm sure you could revisit many of the Project Fear statements and show what was predicted to happen before we left, and after, and compare with what has actually happened up to now, and say, in a year or two.

 

Should be fun.

 

OK, so now you've rejected my offer, you can have no complaints when I go on & on about Project Fear.

 

The way some Remainers talk, you'd think we will be reduced to the status of a 3rd World country if we're not in the EU. :rolleyes:

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OK, so now you've rejected my offer, you can have no complaints when I go on & on about Project Fear.

 

The way some Remainers talk, you'd think we will be reduced to the status of a 3rd World country if we're not in the EU. :rolleyes:

 

still not giving any examples.....

 

(PS If Brexiteers can froth at the mouth about something they have to resort to lies about for 30 years to win an argument, then it's only fair Remainers should remind them of the truth for the next 30 years)

still not giving any examples.....

 

There doesn't seem to be a lot of point re-posting ones you've already rejected out-of-hand.

 

In general though, there were numerous hints that unemployment would rise (it hasn't), and that the economy would collapse (ditto).

 

There doesn't seem to be a lot of point re-posting ones you've already rejected out-of-hand.

 

In general though, there were numerous hints that unemployment would rise (it hasn't), and that the economy would collapse (ditto).

 

we haven't left yet

 

unemployment is a problem because of zero hours contracts, part-time workers and lack of labour in important areas like the NHS and farming. None of these were "things" before Brexit and massage the official figures without doing anything for the underlying problems.

 

The economy has been hit hard for 2 years, and inflation has again risen today as wages decline against it. The pound is still not in recovery against other currencies. These were predicted, and a "collapse" of the economy before we left the EU wasn't. That is more likely following a Hard Brexit, which was also warned against and lying Brexiteers said it would never happen and it was just Project Fear. Now they are demanding it. Not so much project fear by Remain as project lie by Leave.

 

Always happy to discuss reality.

we haven't left yet

 

But PF initially claimed it would happen the instant we voted out - when that proved false, the goalposts were moved 'until we actually left'...

But PF initially claimed it would happen the instant we voted out - when that proved false, the goalposts were moved 'until we actually left'...

 

No they didn't. Cameron & dickhead made ludicrous claims as it looked like they were losing, right at the end. Feel free to post articles showing that claim from the official Remain campaign and I will give the satisfaction of being right.

 

Meanwhile, please njoy the latest poll analysis:

 

https://infacts.org/massive-summer-polls-ar...brexit-message/

But PF initially claimed it would happen the instant we voted out - when that proved false, the goalposts were moved 'until we actually left'...

The economic impact of the referendum result was mitigated by the Bank of England spending somewhere around £70bn (i.e. over 1,000 per man, woman and child in the country). I know I've said this before, but it bears repeating until everybody remembers it.

No they didn't. Cameron & dickhead made ludicrous claims as it looked like they were losing, right at the end. Feel free to post articles showing that claim from the official Remain campaign and I will give the satisfaction of being right.

 

Well, Thomas Mair had no connection with the Leave campaign, but that didn't stop Remainers claiming he was in some way representative of Leavers...

 

Meanwhile, please njoy the latest poll analysis:

 

https://infacts.org/massive-summer-polls-ar...brexit-message/

 

This seems to be one of the most pertinent lines :

 

The first survey, commissioned jointly by Best for Britain and Hope Not Hate

 

So, no vested interest at all in the findings, then. :rolleyes: