I see that Asbos are in the news with reports suggesting that yobs are regarding them as a ‘badge of honour’ and that they boost their street cred.

Asbos were introduced by the government in 1999 and they allow magistrates to impose conditions on a persons’ behaviour in a bid to stop them acting in an anti- social way.

 

A survey by the Youth Justice Board found that many professionals, on teams, set up to tackle tearaways, have serious reservations about the Governments’ flagship anti- social behaviour measures. Youth Offending Teams are saying that Asbos are counter productive and ‘undermine’ other work they are doing to improve youths’ behaviour. The Youth Justice Board, an agency which manages how child criminals are punished, said that police, councils and the courts should involve YOTs every time they consider handing a youth an Asbo. YJB Chairman, Professor Rod Morgan, said ‘Asbos need to be used correctly’

 

Some judges and magistrates question how much impact Asbos are having on the behaviour of individual young people, a survey has revealed.

The survey of 137 under 18s with Asbos, found 67(49%) of them had breached their Asbo at least once, with 42 of that number breaking their conditions on more than one occasion. Among that group, 6 had breached it on 6 occasions or more. Breaching an order can lead to jail but a district judge told researchers that youngsters who breach orders are often not punished due to fears of a huge rise in prison numbers.

 

So what is the answer to dealing with the yobs who are making peoples lives a misery with their bad behaviour?

 

ASBOs are a total waste of time IMO, particularly where teenagers are concerned... The solution should be to bring back Children's Panels, and give them real teeth, maybe even consider bringing back the Borstal regime as well, only with serious improvements on the original Borstals, which were fatally flawed on many levels...

 

Of course, this is going to entail serious investment, something our Govt seems pretty loathe to do. Which seems to be why they dreamt up this ASBO rubbish - a cheap, unsatisfactory alternative if you ask me.... <_<

Build more prisons, I would willingly pay a couple of extra p in the £ tax if it meant chavs and other criminals are behind bars. ASBO's were just a headline grabbing gimmick

Build more prisons, I would willingly pay a couple of extra p in the £ tax if it meant chavs and other criminals are behind bars. ASBO's were just a headline grabbing gimmick

 

I totally agree with you.....

 

Put the right people (ie, murderers, rapists, violent offenders, etc..) in prison, get the non-violent offenders (ie TV licence fee dodgers, tax evaders, the mentally ill, etc..) out of prisons and into a different regime.... Tax Evaders could be put to work to actually pay off their tax bills, I dont really see the purpose in putting these people behind bars, especially when you talk about individuals who actually have good business skills or other skills that could be of use to society.... Put 'em to work, only give them the money they actually need to live (rent, food, public transport costs..) and the Treasury keeps the rest until the bill is paid off, if it takes years, well, so be it, surely a better punishement than prison in many ways...

 

ASBOs will not work. I heard today there is a problem of enforcing them. Even if you enforce them they will not work.

Build prison and such like it will not work.

Put them in society but monitor them with tags and cctv etc - will not work.

 

Only solutions that will ever work is enable them to face and deal with underlying emotional problems.

Anything short of this is p***ing in the wind.

 

ASBOs will not work. I heard today there is a problem of enforcing them. Even if you enforce them they will not work.

Build prison and such like it will not work.

Put them in society but monitor them with tags and cctv etc - will not work.

 

Only solutions that will ever work is enable them to face and deal with underlying emotional problems.

Anything short of this is p***ing in the wind.

 

I believe that anti social behaviour and chav behaviour is not due to poverty or upbringing but a genetic thing, I don't believe for instance sitting a chav down and giving him a cup of tea and a bit of counselling will work as people are born c**ts basically I believe it is in their DNA so no sugar coating chavs will make the slightest difference, the only thing that might is SEVERE punishment

 

I have long advocated the return of national service in Britain, I think that ALL youngsters should be given a stark choice - university or 2 years military service, those that are not intelligent enough to go to uni go into the military for 2 years, chavs will be quivering wrecks with a drill sergeant screaming at them with his face inches away from theirs, it is the type of discipline young people need and national service would instill discipline, national pride and physical fitness into those that are conscripted

 

I know I will get flamed on here for this but it is my view, uni or national service for everyone

 

chavs will be quivering wrecks with a drill sergeant screaming at them with his face inches away from theirs, it is the type of discipline young people need and national service would instill discipline, national pride and physical fitness into those that are conscripted

 

I know I will get flamed on here for this but it is my view, uni or national service for everyone

 

Erm, no, all it'll do is create fitter, more disciplined criminals who will now actually know how to fire a gun properly and more efficient ways to kill someone with their bare hands.....

 

Teaching chavs to fire assault rifles.....? Great idea mate....

 

Erm, no, all it'll do is create fitter, more disciplined criminals who will now actually know how to fire a gun properly and more efficient ways to kill someone with their bare hands.....

 

Teaching chavs to fire assault rifles.....? Great idea mate....

 

You get chavs in Finland and France and Russia etc and national service is a success there

 

A think that a drill sergeant not a counsellor or social worker is the one who in 2 years could knock (literally even) some sense into chavs and teach them a bit of discipline and a stark warning that post national service automatic prison will apply if they go back to their old ways

 

But I don't think military service should just apply to chavs but to every young person that does not go to uni

Edited November 2, 200618 yr by Kimi Räikkönen

You get chavs in Finland and France and Russia etc and national service is a success there

 

A think that a drill sergeant not a counsellor or social worker is the one who in 2 years could knock (literally even) some sense into chavs and teach them a bit of discipline and a stark warning that post national service automatic prison will apply if they go back to their old ways

 

But I don't think military service should just apply to chavs but to every young person that does not go to uni

 

If you meant "National Service" in the sense that perhaps a bit of compulsory charity work, working with old people, the disabled, disadvantaged kids, orphans, or perhaps actual work experience or something of that nature. Or perhaps doing what the old-style "Peace Corps" did, going out to third world countries and working on projects to benefit poverty-stricken communitites. If it was stuff like that, then yes, I'd probably go for something like that, something positive that would benefit society as a whole and actually give these young people some sense of purpose or achievement, something to show them that there's something bigger than themselves out there; but mindless square-bashing for two years, fukk that.. How positive is that really..? I dont go in for this sort of mindless militarism and worship of the bloody armed forces. I've seen the atrocious way some of these fukkin' b/astards with army training and so-called 'discipline' behave. Army training is no guarantee whatsover of civility...

We had this Ned ( a Scottish Chav) who caused chaos in our village for years. Vandalism, arson, burglary, joyriding. You name it, he did it. He even stole the Chinese Takeaway van when the driver popped up to a house to make a delivery. :huh:

The cops lifted him every second night. His grandparents ( with whom he lived) were given warning after warning to no avail. He was just running riot and causing misery. Social Workers spent a fortune on this thug.

Then one night he broke into the 'wrong' house. The owner (who had also been a bit of a hardman in his time) and his 3 sons ambushed said Ned the following day and gave him a kicking. Severe bruising and broken leg later said Ned was never in trouble again. In fact, he was rarely seen. Last I heard he was talking about joining the army ( God help them! :wacko: ).

 

Anyway, the hardman said he gave the Ned a going over because 'It's the only language he ****ing understands'.

Now I'm not advocating vigilante action but people are getting very frustrated. Particularly decent people who see police, courts and parents seemingly powerless to do anything about these young thugs who are blighting their communities.

And the root cause of this isn't poverty. I grew up in a Council Estate. My family and lots of my friends were poor. But we didn't turn out to be thuggish neds.

The root cause (imo) is a breakdown in family discipline. In fact, a breakdown in family altogether. These kids have grown up never having being taught right from wrong. No control. No respect for others.

And every generation is getting worse because these thugs themselves are now having kids.

 

I don't think there is a solution (at least not a politically correct one). Throwing money at them ain't the answer. Half the kids around here have gardens that would give Euro Disney a run for it's money. They get every toy and gadget that's going. And they are the cheekiest, nastiest kids I have ever encountered.

 

I am just so sick of the lot of them.

:angry: :angry: :angry:

 

 

 

But I don't think military service should just apply to chavs but to every young person that does not go to uni

 

Does that apply to women too?

You're 18 when you decide if you go to uni, you can't really force someone into the army if they don't go. Especially people who aren't chavs. :huh:

We had this Ned ( a Scottish Chav) who caused chaos in our village for years. Vandalism, arson, burglary, joyriding. You name it, he did it. He even stole the Chinese Takeaway van when the driver popped up to a house to make a delivery. :huh:

The cops lifted him every second night. His grandparents ( with whom he lived) were given warning after warning to no avail. He was just running riot and causing misery. Social Workers spent a fortune on this thug.

Then one night he broke into the 'wrong' house. The owner (who had also been a bit of a hardman in his time) and his 3 sons ambushed said Ned the following day and gave him a kicking. Severe bruising and broken leg later said Ned was never in trouble again. In fact, he was rarely seen. Last I heard he was talking about joining the army ( God help them! :wacko: ).

 

Anyway, the hardman said he gave the Ned a going over because 'It's the only language he ****ing understands'.

Now I'm not advocating vigilante action but people are getting very frustrated. Particularly decent people who see police, courts and parents seemingly powerless to do anything about these young thugs who are blighting their communities.

And the root cause of this isn't poverty. I grew up in a Council Estate. My family and lots of my friends were poor. But we didn't turn out to be thuggish neds.

The root cause (imo) is a breakdown in family discipline. In fact, a breakdown in family altogether. These kids have grown up never having being taught right from wrong. No control. No respect for others.

And every generation is getting worse because these thugs themselves are now having kids.

 

I don't think there is a solution (at least not a politically correct one). Throwing money at them ain't the answer. Half the kids around here have gardens that would give Euro Disney a run for it's money. They get every toy and gadget that's going. And they are the cheekiest, nastiest kids I have ever encountered.

 

I am just so sick of the lot of them.

:angry: :angry: :angry:

 

I would like to see some form of "cleansing" bought in, I have kept these thoughts to Pop Trash before but maybe they are suitable for here, people who fit certain catergories with regards crime past and present :- chavs, persistent offenders of the type above, sex offenders, downloaders of child porn, muggers etc being sterilised so they can not breed so basically known chavs and persistent offenders have the bloodline ended so that in future only socially pure people will be able to reproduce and steilisation being a penalty handed down by the courts.

 

I know it sounds a bit Hitler-esque but the chav bloodline needs to be ended

Does that apply to women too?

You're 18 when you decide if you go to uni, you can't really force someone into the army if they don't go. Especially people who aren't chavs. :huh:

 

Yes women too but they would do more along the lines of what Scott suggested of 2 years community service after a period of military training

Yes women too but they would do more along the lines of what Scott suggested of 2 years community service after a period of military training

 

Not everyone likes military stuff. What good is a 'period of military training' to a normal woman who has no interest in the army?

Edited November 2, 200618 yr by x-The_Royston_Poisoner-x

I would like to see some form of "cleansing" bought in, I have kept these thoughts to Pop Trash before but maybe they are suitable for here, people who fit certain catergories with regards crime past and present :- chavs, persistent offenders of the type above, sex offenders, downloaders of child porn, muggers etc being sterilised so they can not breed so basically known chavs and persistent offenders have the bloodline ended so that in future only socially pure people will be able to reproduce and steilisation being a penalty handed down by the courts.

 

I know it sounds a bit Hitler-esque but the chav bloodline needs to be ended

 

You should keep those thoughts to yourself tbh. Not everyone born into a chav family turns out like a chav too!

I have said much the same thing many's a time about the Neds around here (in jest I hasten to add ). 'If only they didn't let them breed' has been my cry. But the problem is, they are about the only lot in my village who are breeding. The one next to me is 21. She already has 3 kids to 3 different men. :wacko:

Her eldest (a girl age 6) threw a rock at my head last week. Makes a change from my car I suppose. When I complained to her 'latest' boyfriend he told me to **** off.

You can't reason with these people. There is no hope. <_<

Edited November 2, 200618 yr by jupiter9

I found out recently that a girl who was in my class in yr 11 is now 5 months pregnant!

I found out recently that a girl who was in my class in yr 11 is now 5 months pregnant!

 

One of mine's already -had- her baby =o.

And there's 2 more kids in yr 10 up the duff! Ludicrous.

In the really old days they used to birch yobs,they thought twice about re-offending. But in this politically correct world we live in today, every law minded person has their hands tied,whereas the neds,yobs etc live by their own rules. Unless we find a way of resolving this pretty soon, all law abiding youngsters will be outnumbered by the yobs. <_<

Yes if the "Cat" was still in existence I bet our streets would be a lot safer and chavs would think twice about being chavvy