Yeah the reason it only takes into account streaming numbers is because ACR only affects streams - download / physical sales are not halved under ACR, so why would they be taken into account?

 

When the rule was first introduced, a lot of artists really tried to push the boundaries of ACR and would reduce their song to 59p every 3 weeks - Rita Ora's Your Song avoided ACR for ages this way :lol:

This rule makes no sense, since they count pure sales for the Official chart, then these sales should also go into the sum and the ACR rule should be measured by total sales, not segregated sales. :rolleyes:

 

That is how it used to be, they actually changed it to only be affected by streaming numbers not that long ago. Which makes more sense imo as ACR only affects streaming numbers so there's not really any reason for pure sales to influence it lol ~

But ACR only effects streaming numbers. And it’s fairly easier to get a boost in sales to avoid ACR rather than streaming as discounts, live performances and adverts etc all affect sales a lot more than streaming

Tiktok - aka viral factory - currently reflects much more on streaming than on pure sales and has far more impact than any televised performance nowadays. Your point?

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That is how it used to be, they actually changed it to only be affected by streaming numbers not that long ago. Which makes more sense imo as ACR only affects streaming numbers so there's not really any reason for pure sales to influence it lol ~

Read what I said again, I said it makes no sense to include pure sales on the Official Chart and exclude them from the ACR rule. In my opinion, the ACR rule should be based on the total sales of the week and not just about the sales that came from streaming.

I do wonder whether the rule change (to determine ACR by decline in streams only rather than combined sales) has generally helped songs stay on SCR for longer. Ride It, Dance Monkey, The Box and now (assuming its combined sales fall again next week) Rockstar all would have gone to ACR earlier under the old rules.

Read what I said again, I said it makes no sense to include pure sales on the Official Chart and exclude them from the ACR rule. In my opinion, the ACR rule should be based on the total sales of the week and not just about the sales that came from streaming.

Bré understood your post perfectly :P But your preferred method makes less sense - ACR doesn't affect pure sales at all, so why would they be counted when determining whether a song moves to ACR or not?

Bré understood your post perfectly :P But your preferred method makes less sense - ACR doesn't affect pure sales at all, so why would they be counted when determining whether a song moves to ACR or not?

What you still don't understand is that my point is that the ACR rule should include pure sales from the start since they count for the Official Chart too, and this rule that only streaming counts for the ACR rule should only serve for the streaming chart (Audio Streams Chart), not for the general chart. And of course, pure sales are not halved after a song goes into ACR, is there a way to cut a download in half? No. They only do that with streaming because, in fact, sales that come from streaming are not real sales.

What you still don't understand is that my point is that the ACR rule should include pure sales from the start since they count for the Official Chart too, and this rule that only streaming counts for the ACR rule should only serve for the streaming chart (Audio Streams Chart), not for the general chart. And of course, pure sales are not halved after a song goes into ACR, is there a way to cut a download in half? No. They only do that with streaming because, in fact, sales that come from streaming are not real sales.

I've completely understood your point! Disagreeing doesn't mean I don't understand :lol:

'Don't Need Love' still feels like it has more to give, I hope that can avoid going to ACR next week.

Tiktok - aka viral factory - currently reflects much more on streaming than on pure sales and has far more impact than any televised performance nowadays. Your point?

What is yours exactly? Should they ban Tiktok? :confusedgaga:

 

ACR was introduced because of streaming culture overtaking the market and overshadowing sales/downloads. This is your answer to why they are not cutting the total sales in half in ACR.

What is yours exactly? Should they ban Tiktok? :confusedgaga:

 

ACR was introduced because of streaming culture overtaking the market and overshadowing sales/downloads. This is your answer to why they are not cutting the total sales in half in ACR.

Mine are very clear:

 

If the ACR rule were valid for total sales (pure + streaming), ROCKSTAR would go into decline again today, but as it is only valid for streaming, this song wasn't affected, and the chart will remain static with these annoying tiktok virals. If the ACR rule was made to make the chart less stagnant, they should review this rule, because what is happening is the exact opposite of what they expected. :rofl:

1. The ACR rule was made to make the weight of streams and downloads/sales in the chart balanced. You hardly buy a song more than once or twice while no one can stop you from listening to it for months. Yes, the chart might still be static but it represents the most popular songs at this point in time. If people still listen to something actively then it's fair that the song stays in the chart for 50 weeks (exaggeration intended) whether we like it or not. I would actually say that streaming represents the reality more accurately than sales anyway. Example: charity singles you buy but hardly ever listen to.

 

2. Check your attitude please. Buzzjack is not in charge of the OCC rules and there's no need to be defensive and patronising bolding every other word like everyone here is too stupid to understand your point.

Mine are very clear:

 

If the ACR rule were valid for total sales (pure + streaming), ROCKSTAR would go into decline again today, but as it is only valid for streaming, this song wasn't affected, and the chart will remain static with these annoying tiktok virals. If the ACR rule was made to make the chart less stagnant, they should review this rule, because what is happening is the exact opposite of what they expected. :rofl:

Summary: you want ROCKSTAR to go to ACR sooner so you think the rules should change

 

You've picked a whopping one example :')

Summary: you want ROCKSTAR to go to ACR sooner so you think the rules should change

 

You've picked a whopping one example :')

The Rain on Me budget has been depleted so the strategy has changed. Time to push the competitors down instead now <3

I didn’t think a film being broadcast on sky was enough to put a song back on SCR

1. The ACR rule was made to make the weight of streams and downloads/sales in the chart balanced. You hardly buy a song more than once or twice while no one can stop you from listening to it for months. Yes, the chart might still be static but it represents the most popular songs at this point in time. If people still listen to something actively then it's fair that the song stays in the chart for 50 weeks (exaggeration intended) whether we like it or not. I would actually say that streaming represents the reality more accurately than sales anyway. Example: charity singles you buy but hardly ever listen to.

 

2. Check your attitude please. Buzzjack is not in charge of the OCC rules and there's no need to be defensive and patronising bolding every other word like everyone here is too stupid to understand your point.

You talked so much and didn't fight back on anything I said, they really should review the ACR rule, that's a fact, since the rule is clearly not fulfilling its original purpose, which is to diversify the chart and prevent it from stagnating with the same old songs every week.

 

For example, if the ACR rule was applied on the total sales of the week and not just sales from streaming, ROCKSTAR would already be on DCL-2 and if it fell again next week, it would already be on ACR, making the chart less frozen, however, going back to the reality of the rule fails, where this song is? Exactly, on SCR, even if this clearly doesn't reflect its true popularity, since it dropped in total sales for 2 weeks in a row. If you still think it's right that they rely solely on streaming a song to apply the methodology of this rule to the UK chart, even if it goes against the original purpose of this rule itself (which was to make the chart more rotational), as it obviously helps most songs (especially viral ones) to stick to their positions for centuries, then it's already your problem for not accepting the truth.

 

Plus, don't make it personal and don't try to make me the subject (and the problem) of the topic since at no time have I been rude to you or anyone here, if you don't like me, you have the option to put me on your list of users to be ignored, you can be sure I don't give a dang.

 

Using bold words is an option that everyone here has and can use, and I'll use it whenever I want to, unless you create a rule preventing me from doing so.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Adelita.

They already did review the rule that was originally the way you are wanting, and they changed it to the current rule... :lol: they're not going to change it back.

 

In this particular case it does mean 'ROCKSTAR' possibly stays on SCR longer than it would under the old rules, but conversely changing it back could just as easily cause other songs to do the exact opposite. At the end of the day, ACR only affects streams so why should it not only be affected by streams?

They already did review the rule that was originally the way you are wanting, and they changed it to the current rule... :lol: they're not going to change it back.

 

In this particular case it does mean 'ROCKSTAR' possibly stays on SCR longer than it would under the old rules, but conversely changing it back could just as easily cause other songs to do the exact opposite. At the end of the day, ACR only affects streams so why should it not only be affected by streams?

I will not repeat everything again, you and everyone else have understood my points and know that the old ACR rule made the chart more varied and liquid, this is a fact, take the example I used with ROCKSTAR in my previous post, it is clear that they should return to the roots of the original ACR. -_-

The ultimate rationale behind ACR is that you have 2 different formats: downloads vs streams. Downloads you buy it, counts once for the charts, you listen to it at home 75 times but still it only counts once. On the other hand, streams count forever, every time you listen to it, it counts for the charts, forever and ever. And that's not fair. That's the ultimate rationale to have ACR, to put a cap on streams so they don't count forever for a song. It's a way to compensate downloads cos they only count once and streams count forever. So by this logic, makes no sense to apply ACR to downloads cos the rule was implemented to stop streams counting forever not downloads.

 

Moreover, download sales can easily be manipulated, with Rita Ora being the clearest example, a smart company can reduce the price on iTunes to 59p every 3 weeks and you avoid ACR forever.

I will not repeat everything again, you and everyone else have understood my points and know that the old ACR rule made the chart more varied and liquid, this is a fact, take the example I used with ROCKSTAR in my previous post, it is clear that they should return to the roots of the original ACR. -_-

not a single person agreed with you but you do you boo