October 16, 20204 yr I think there will be a Deal. I agree it will be pretty last minute. I cannot in ANY WAY think that the Government think No Deal is a good deal for the majority of the working population. All the major food and beverage players will be putting the cost on to the consumers, so your average shop is going to go up in price. Can't see any way the Government think this is a good idea at the best of times, not least with the country still in a healthcare pandemic.. if this is all over some bloody fish, hopefully somebody slaps Gove round the face with a nice oily Cod. I just don't understand what this Brexiteer obsession and fixation is on the fisheries policy?! It contributes next to nothing to our economy and they're willing to pull out of the transition period of WTO pretty much just because of that :/
October 16, 20204 yr I just don't understand what this Brexiteer obsession and fixation is on the fisheries policy?! It contributes next to nothing to our economy and they're willing to pull out of the transition period of WTO pretty much just because of that :/ Maybe it's their backers/donors? Anyway it seems mad to kill our economy and push up the cost of living. At this rate, the Tories will be losing their 80 seat majority in 2024.
October 16, 20204 yr WTO is the only way to go, always has, always will be. The UK will not be an EU puppet anymore. The UK will be Global Britain. Edited October 16, 20204 yr by PeaceMob
October 16, 20204 yr WTO is the only way to go, always has, always will be. The UK will not be an EU puppet anymore. You do realise the WTO has rules, do you? We're still waiting for you to explain what is so good about those WTO rules but perhaps your silence simply means you aren't aware of the rules' existence.
October 16, 20204 yr WTO is the only way to go, always has, always will be. The UK will not be an EU puppet anymore. The UK will be Global Britain. See u at the job centre.
October 16, 20204 yr You do realise the WTO has rules, do you? We're still waiting for you to explain what is so good about those WTO rules but perhaps your silence simply means you aren't aware of the rules' existence. Recent signings and agreements of free trade deals with Ukraine, Japan, and the Ivory Coast. Japan's deal due to be officially signed next Friday in Tokyo by Liz Truss. The UK will be Global Britain, the UK is so much more than the dying EU project. Edited October 16, 20204 yr by PeaceMob
October 16, 20204 yr France thought the UK was bluffing about no deal. Doesn't France know their history? If France want access to UK fishing waters, they have to accept Brexit means Brexit.
October 16, 20204 yr Fish is just the beginning! Next EU will send British children into slavery like it's happening in the other 26 EU countries and y'all will have to sell organs to survive the tyranny of Brussels. Thankfully you escaped that fate!!1
October 16, 20204 yr Recent signings and agreements of free trade deals with Ukraine, Japan, and the Ivory Coast. Japan's deal due to be officially signed next Friday in Tokyo by Liz Truss. The UK will be Global Britain, the UK is so much more than the dying EU project. I think you meant 'o-fish-ally'
October 16, 20204 yr Great Britain aspiring for the bottom of the barrel. That’ll show ‘em :wub: Salmon had to say it!
October 16, 20204 yr It's the EU that want to throw away a deal over UK fishing waters. The UK is protecting their natural resources like any normal country would.
October 16, 20204 yr Gaaagh, Bojo the Clown and unelected puppet-master Cummings are VILE!!! Quick questions: 1. Who voted for a no deal Brexshit? Leave scraped a razor-thin majority promising a Norway model, and so we can safely assume that support for a No Deal would be sub-50% of that hallowed 2016 non-binding referendum. 2. Team Leave literally campaigned on a Norway model and promised no one was talking about leaving the single market. That should have been the result, if the government decided to enact the split-decision from a non-binding referendum (not a vote, PeaceBot/ Uncommonly Senseless). Shouldn't they put it to another vote now that the terms have changed? 3. Speaking of, now that all opinion polls show a continual lead for Remain over any presumably any type of Brexshit, plus Brexiters now literally protesting no deal and spreading memes saying blame the Tories for No Deal, showing the appetite for No Deal comes from a dwindling %, shouldn't the government CONFIRM what the country wants through a third referendum? 4. Surely the government is WELL AWARE of the economic and societal damage a No Deal would do, especially during a pandemic, in which the UK has been hit by a second wave due to Cummings, Bojo and Tory incompetence? 5.They are aware that mature democracies, when confronted with a 51/48% split - would either seek compromise - Norway model - or more information r.e what people actually want through further referenda with more detailed options other than a binary yes/no split? Surely that barely told them anything, except the press is powerful and hates the EU, of which bojo the Clown should have been especially informed already, and a majority of English people wanted to lessen ties with Europe? That's all 6. They are aware that a No Deal will be the end of the Union - but ironically not the Union that Cummings and Farage are after? :lol: 7. How can they be so obtuse and intransigent in trade deals STILL TO THIS DAY?! I can only assume that Bojo the Cloen eants a triumphant, last-minute, stinker of a deal with concessions on fish, which, like said in this thread, provides small benefit to the economy when the rest of the deal favours the EU position and brings up more and more barriers to trade? He clearly thinks he is Churchill, but the only things they have in common are some hard right views and disdain for social programmes. 8. How can they be so cavalier about people's lives, first with the pandemic and now with a pandemic/ no deal Brexshit combo? Can we assume they will opportunistically use the pandemic as an excuse for the Brexit shitshow, and use it to absolve Bojo of his Brexit sins? 9. Surely they are aware that by persuing this undemocratic course of action, they are treating Northern Ireland, Scotland - and by most recent polling analysis, Wales, too - as colonies, subservient to want England wants (or, in this case, wanted)? 10. Perhaps No Deal is the only way to avoid breaking international law, with Cummings' Internal Markets Bill gamble? The damage is done, there, however, with Scotland primed to use it in a court battle to argue the Act of Union was breached. Scotland can leave the Union unilaterally, but as Silas always says, it has to leave in a way that Spain finds acceptable. 11. How can they - or the dwindling % of hard brexshit Brexiters - possibly claim that this is democratic? This is especially egregious given that they deny Scotland referenda based on the SNP scoring over 40%. If that is not enough, it wasn't enough for the Tories to persue any type of Brexshit that came to Cummings' warped mind. 12. Also, how can they be so bare-faced to claim that this eventuality is the fault of Europe? Surely they are aware that the EU is a superpower and has rules that EVERYONE must abide by when trading with them? Again, how is it the EU's fault that the Tory boys have interpreted a 51/48% split on a referenda - one with data-mining and illegal funding breaches - to mean that there needs to be as hard a split as possible? 13. 13 for Halloween. How can people like PeaceBot run around claiming there is such a thing as "Global Britain", whilst turning inwards and eschewing internationalism and supporting the government breaking international law? What a joke. There is no empire anymore. There is no empire anymore, and even when there was one it was in the service of the rich, not us. Everyone else got oppressed by it. How can they honestly believe a small island, about to break up, will have the same negotiating clout as a superpower? Surely they are aware it breaks the UK's power, and leaves it susceptible to acvepting substandard deals, and also make it feel unable to criticise countries' actions, being so desperate for deals? Disgusting. To think that we could have had Corbyn and a single market Brexshit...
October 16, 20204 yr Greenpeace are on the Brexiteers side on this. The EU are raping UK fishing waters, they already destroyed their own waters and were taking advantage of the UK's instead. Thank God for Brexit.
October 16, 20204 yr Do people on here actually think the EU is a superpower. :lol: If you want to see a superpower, go to the USA or China. The EU project is dying on its ass, they're too preoccupied with organising a meeting for another meeting to be taken seriously. Edited October 16, 20204 yr by PeaceMob
October 16, 20204 yr Do people on here actually think the EU is a superpower. :lol: If you want to see a superpower, go to the USA or China. The EU project is dying on it's ass, they're too preoccupied with organising a meeting for another meeting to be taken seriously. The EU's economy is larger than both. Thanks to France's military structure, it also scores more highly on the global power projection metric than China. Which metrics are you using to judge superpowers? Just curious. If by global power projection, cultural influence, or by economy, the EU is a superpower. Perhaps there is some hidden Brexshit scale we are overlooking? Perhaps it is the "they lost the war, so they can't be" scale, orrrr maybe it's the "they need our fish" scale, the "we had an empire!! They only had smaller empires!" scale, or maybe, just maybe, it's the "they need us more than we need them" scale? All properly scientific, we assure you! P.s if you're gonna edit your grammar to fix "it's", then maybe also do it for the run-on sentence it is in x
October 16, 20204 yr The EU's economy is larger than both. Thanks to France's military structure, it also scores more highly on the global power projection metric than China. Which metrics are you using to judge superpowers? Just curious. If by global power projection, cultural influence, or by economy, the EU is a superpower. Perhaps there is some hidden Brexshit scale we are overlooking? Perhaps it is the "they lost the war, so they can't be" scale, orrrr maybe it's "they need our fish" scale, the "we had an empire!! They only had smaller empires!" scale, or maybe, just maybe, it's the "they need us more than we need them" scale? All properly scientific, we assure you! P.s if you're gonna edit your grammar to fix "it's", then maybe also do it for the run-on sentence it is in x The EU's economy is not bigger than the USA or China's. The EU dropped behind China the moment the UK left their ass earlier this year. If you're going to dish out facts, at least try to know what you are talking about. x
October 16, 20204 yr Do people on here actually think the EU is a superpower. :lol: If you want to see a superpower, go to the USA or China. The EU project is dying on its ass, they're too preoccupied with organising a meeting for another meeting to be taken seriously. This is entirely dependent on the rather pop international relations definition of superpower. There's no fixed definition. The EU is certainly considered by most IR scholars to be an emergent economic superpower, probably the top candidate after China. Combining your markets like that really does a lot for strength. not that this dick-waving about size on the world stage really means anything to the Brexit debate, it's the UK's closest and most convenient trading partner now so it'd be a good idea to be on good trading terms with them.
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