The deal with the IRA didn't involve the UK giving up any territory. The two issues are not comparable.

 

Of course in the context of appeasement it’s comparable in the wider context it’s not Russia is a superpower the biggest country on earth and has thousands of nukes the IRA were a small group of extremists. You’d think countries that pander to Israel(human rights violations galore) the Saudis and so on and so on wouldn’t see Russia as beyond a conversation.

 

Dialogue and diplomacy is key. Ukraine was used for a proxy war and people hoped it’d cripple Russia that didn’t happen. So now the consequence is you have to make a deal maybe one you aren’t comfortable making. That’s unfortunate but the alternative is worse. Of course the EU stubborn and useless can’t admit this and they’re doing everything possible to prolong the deadlock. Everybody should want an end to the senseless war. Too many people want to get into a staring contest with Putin instead of just accepting many countries have dictators or bad regimes and that’s just the way the world is.

It’s all just the same rhetoric over and over. Answer me this. What is your solution? If it’s not about NATO like Silas claims then why won’t the EU take NATO off the table?

 

If NATO is the excuse well take the excuse away? Then suddenly it changes to Ukraine should be able to do what it wants.

 

Nobody has a solution because it’s just stubbornness over lives and diversions from solutions. We know world leaders aren’t consistent or honest in their rhetoric we’ve seen that with their different takes on Israel. We know foreign interference in elections is no stranger to the US because they’ve done it forever. Hell Zelenskyy is probably in charge thanks to the US.

 

Appeasement is a silly term in this context. You have a situation where a prolonged war just financially bleeds the western world, loses hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives and land….so what is your solution? As per nobody has one they just wait around and care more about their appearance and repeating the same rhetoric ad nauseam.

 

News flash the UK cannot afford to give pensioners heating in the winter it cannot pay for Ukraine’s war, US citizens are tired of it too. It cannot drag on forever.

 

So you need to talk or make a deal or understand the other sides perspective. It’s funny how the UK made a deal with the IRA a terrorist group which I’m sure you agree with right? The Good Friday agreement but talking to Russia is a no no. Why wasn’t that appeasement?

 

The EU clearly isn’t going to fully go to war with Russia so stop wasting lives and money and time and reach deals and move on. It’s obvious Russia feels threatened and being stubborn has got nobody anywhere.

 

Laughable. Lay off Twiter and read some history books. So much rubbish spouted which is clearly being parroted by the far right which makes no sense. Using the Good Friday agreement as a comparable adjustment when the two are completely different.

 

Putin was appeased before and guess what he did.. invaded again. Do you not think he will do the same? By your entire logic if the U.K. was ever invaded we’d all just take it as we don’t want anybody to die. War is a part of life, it’s happened for 2000 years and will continue to happen. You stand up to bullies and aggressors otherwise they just push their luck. This “deal” you speak of wild be great, but how about you negotiate a fair deal that punishes Russia for invading a sovereign state? Instead any deal the US are facilitating allows Russia to not be punished and regroup economically before their next ambition.

 

Aww boo hoo poor Russia feeling threatened. A country that has killed British citizens on British spoil and is actively hostile and aggressive. Like I’ve said, you probably call yourself a British patriot but you feel compassion for a hostile enemy state who would love nothing more to wipe Britain off the face of the earth if given half a chance.

So you need to talk or make a deal or understand the other sides perspective. It’s funny how the UK made a deal with the IRA a terrorist group which I’m sure you agree with right? The Good Friday agreement but talking to Russia is a no no. Why wasn’t that appeasement?

 

There was mutual gain to be had with the IRA, they didn't have the same level of support they once commanded as the Irish people and the British government were more interested in ending the conflict. The minority that did want to continue the fight did so as the Real IRA but they never had the same backing.

 

However,

 

Zelenskyy was elected partly on a promise to talk to Russia and end the conflict, which Poroshenko was unable to do because he and Putin hated each other.

 

The first thing he did was speak to Putin about trying to de-escalate the situation. Russia's response was non-committal while they prepared a full scale invasion, multiple attempts to assasinate the Ukrainian leader and a failed drive to capture Kyiv in weeks and install a puppet regime.

 

Even after that Emmanuel Macron persisted with attempts to engage with Putin but he wasn't interested in discussion.

 

Putin only wants to talk now that the war has clearly reached a point where he once again has the slight advantage on the battlefield and knows he has an ally in Trump. Until Trump's re-election he wasn't interested. Now Putin and trump have mutual interests.

 

Putin can take the majority of the territory he wanted in the first place, (he'll have to worry about the rest of Ukraine later) and Trump is angling for any excuse to pull back US involvement in NATO, which also suits Putin. Trump and Putin can both proclaim the victory of peace, Zeleskyy will be weakened in stature (forget Trump's claim of 4% approval, surveys in December were at 52%) and no doubt a pro-Russian/neutrality candidate will emerge to challenge him. In 5 or so years NATO will not have the numbers and unity to rival a Russia whose military spending is nearly 8% of GPD and 40% of all federal spending.

 

The Russian people will still be oppressed by a long serving dictator, the Ukrainian people will have been robbed of their country, their hopes and homes for nothing and the US will continue to roll back on its constitution as their shiny new tyrant continues to deflect attention away from the crimes he's committing against his own people.

 

 

Peace negotiations only have a favourable outcome for those attending from a position of power or stalemate. Trump has in effect taken away all of Ukraine's bargaining power and left them the surrender option, as a bonus he gets to screw over Europe and can forge a path to exit NATO like he always wanted.

Of course in the context of appeasement it’s comparable in the wider context it’s not Russia is a superpower the biggest country on earth and has thousands of nukes the IRA were a small group of extremists. You’d think countries that pander to Israel(human rights violations galore) the Saudis and so on and so on wouldn’t see Russia as beyond a conversation.

 

Dialogue and diplomacy is key. Ukraine was used for a proxy war and people hoped it’d cripple Russia that didn’t happen. So now the consequence is you have to make a deal maybe one you aren’t comfortable making. That’s unfortunate but the alternative is worse. Of course the EU stubborn and useless can’t admit this and they’re doing everything possible to prolong the deadlock. Everybody should want an end to the senseless war. Too many people want to get into a staring contest with Putin instead of just accepting many countries have dictators or bad regimes and that’s just the way the world is.

 

Good news we did not follow your logic, otherwise we’d all be part of Nazi Germany.

Too many people want to get into a staring contest with Putin instead of just accepting many countries have dictators or bad regimes and that’s just the way the world is.

 

 

If Putin had kept his military forces within Russia we'd all still be staring them saying what a bad regime they are, Finland would still be neutral, Europe wouldn't be upping it's military spending and Ukraine still wouldn't be in NATO. Ukraine also wouldn't be a pile of rubble and hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive.

Laughable. Lay off Twiter and read some history books. So much rubbish spouted which is clearly being parroted by the far right which makes no sense. Using the Good Friday agreement as a comparable adjustment when the two are completely different.

 

Putin was appeased before and guess what he did.. invaded again. Do you not think he will do the same? By your entire logic if the U.K. was ever invaded we’d all just take it as we don’t want anybody to die. War is a part of life, it’s happened for 2000 years and will continue to happen. You stand up to bullies and aggressors otherwise they just push their luck. This “deal” you speak of wild be great, but how about you negotiate a fair deal that punishes Russia for invading a sovereign state? Instead any deal the US are facilitating allows Russia to not be punished and regroup economically before their next ambition.

 

Aww boo hoo poor Russia feeling threatened. A country that has killed British citizens on British spoil and is actively hostile and aggressive. Like I’ve said, you probably call yourself a British patriot but you feel compassion for a hostile enemy state who would love nothing more to wipe Britain off the face of the earth if given half a chance.

 

Interesting line “war is a part of life” actually war is usually very preventable and often has not improved a situation.

 

If anything should be learned from history since you are such a fan of history books it’s that war shouldn’t be a part of life. It’s not just dropping bombs. It’s widespread massacres. Rape of women. Torture. Limbs lost and lifelong PTSD for many survivors.

 

Was Vietnam a necessary part of life?

Did Afghanistan prove fruitful?

Libya work out well?

What about the million dead in Iraq?

We can go on forever.

 

You have no real solutions and that’s the problem. The US is a known bully should the world stand up to them? Where’s the world standing up to Israel, you’re very selective at which bully you wish to stand up to and it just so happens to be in line with the status quo. Surprise surprise.

 

2014 was basically a coup in Ukraine to install a US friendly regime and anti-Russian regime this to seems like provoking and Putin responded with Crimea. Then years later Ukraine made steps to join NATO and Putin responded with this invasion. Everyone has different takes on the issue but clearly the biggest loser is Ukraine and I’m still waiting for a good solution from the EU or yourself

 

 

There was mutual gain to be had with the IRA, they didn't have the same level of support they once commanded as the Irish people and the British government were more interested in ending the conflict. The minority that did want to continue the fight did so as the Real IRA but they never had the same backing.

 

However,

 

Zelenskyy was elected partly on a promise to talk to Russia and end the conflict, which Poroshenko was unable to do because he and Putin hated each other.

 

The first thing he did was speak to Putin about trying to de-escalate the situation. Russia's response was non-committal while they prepared a full scale invasion, multiple attempts to assasinate the Ukrainian leader and a failed drive to capture Kyiv in weeks and install a puppet regime.

 

Even after that Emmanuel Macron persisted with attempts to engage with Putin but he wasn't interested in discussion.

 

Putin only wants to talk now that the war has clearly reached a point where he once again has the slight advantage on the battlefield and knows he has an ally in Trump. Until Trump's re-election he wasn't interested. Now Putin and trump have mutual interests.

 

Putin can take the majority of the territory he wanted in the first place, (he'll have to worry about the rest of Ukraine later) and Trump is angling for any excuse to pull back US involvement in NATO, which also suits Putin. Trump and Putin can both proclaim the victory of peace, Zeleskyy will be weakened in stature (forget Trump's claim of 4% approval, surveys in December were at 52%) and no doubt a pro-Russian/neutrality candidate will emerge to challenge him. In 5 or so years NATO will not have the numbers and unity to rival a Russia whose military spending is nearly 8% of GPD and 40% of all federal spending.

 

The Russian people will still be oppressed by a long serving dictator, the Ukrainian people will have been robbed of their country, their hopes and homes for nothing and the US will continue to roll back on its constitution as their shiny new tyrant continues to deflect attention away from the crimes he's committing against his own people.

Peace negotiations only have a favourable outcome for those attending from a position of power or stalemate. Trump has in effect taken away all of Ukraine's bargaining power and left them the surrender option, as a bonus he gets to screw over Europe and can forge a path to exit NATO like he always wanted.

 

The point you missed is that Russia suffered severe losses in this conflict. It’s obvious that this is mutual stalemate that ultimately Russia would win but not without a heavy price. In that situation Russia wants to end the war and save face and it’s clearly in Ukraine’s interest to do so. Without dialogue this possibility isn’t even an option. Nobody has even heard what the deal is. If Ukraine is getting back most of the land Russia currently occupies it’s a good deal for them given the circumstances.

 

 

Good news we did not follow your logic, otherwise we’d all be part of Nazi Germany.

 

What kind of comment is this? You think we should have world war 3? Would you be prepared to go to war with China over Taiwan? Do you want to go to war with every bad regime out there? You do know 38 million people died in world war 2 and Russia was largely responsible for stopping Hitler. Just lacking logic. Not everything has to be brought back to the Nazis that’s a known meme at this point.

 

The point severin is the position we are in now. You cannot continue this war on this trajectory. You cannot go back in time. Russia is winning and continuing is unsustainable. Get the best possible deal. Strengthen Ukraine in a big way to where Russia cannot entertain an invasion without knowing it’ll be as bad on them as Ukraine. Otherwise it’s all just posturing while people die. The war has to stop and whether people like it or not Russia has the upper hand in talks. If Ukraine gets a majority of the land Russia currently occupies back given the circumstances it’s the best conclusion. If people want to continue anthem Russia will hoover up more land while another generation of Ukrainian men get wiped out.

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Wow, that pro Russia propaganda is something else!!! Landlease saved Russia in WW2 btw, or it would have been conquered.

Interesting line “war is a part of life” actually war is usually very preventable and often has not improved a situation.

 

If anything should be learned from history since you are such a fan of history books it’s that war shouldn’t be a part of life. It’s not just dropping bombs. It’s widespread massacres. Rape of women. Torture. Limbs lost and lifelong PTSD for many survivors.

 

Was Vietnam a necessary part of life?

Did Afghanistan prove fruitful?

Libya work out well?

What about the million dead in Iraq?

We can go on forever.

 

You have no real solutions and that’s the problem. The US is a known bully should the world stand up to them? Where’s the world standing up to Israel, you’re very selective at which bully you wish to stand up to and it just so happens to be in line with the status quo. Surprise surprise.

 

2014 was basically a coup in Ukraine to install a US friendly regime and anti-Russian regime this to seems like provoking and Putin responded with Crimea. Then years later Ukraine made steps to join NATO and Putin responded with this invasion. Everyone has different takes on the issue but clearly the biggest loser is Ukraine and I’m still waiting for a good solution from the EU or yourself

The point you missed is that Russia suffered severe losses in this conflict. It’s obvious that this is mutual stalemate that ultimately Russia would win but not without a heavy price. In that situation Russia wants to end the war and save face and it’s clearly in Ukraine’s interest to do so. Without dialogue this possibility isn’t even an option. Nobody has even heard what the deal is. If Ukraine is getting back most of the land Russia currently occupies it’s a good deal for them given the circumstances.

What kind of comment is this? You think we should have world war 3? Would you be prepared to go to war with China over Taiwan? Do you want to go to war with every bad regime out there? You do know 38 million people died in world war 2 and Russia was largely responsible for stopping Hitler. Just lacking logic. Not everything has to be brought back to the Nazis that’s a known meme at this point.

 

The point severin is the position we are in now. You cannot continue this war on this trajectory. You cannot go back in time. Russia is winning and continuing is unsustainable. Get the best possible deal. Strengthen Ukraine in a big way to where Russia cannot entertain an invasion without knowing it’ll be as bad on them as Ukraine. Otherwise it’s all just posturing while people die. The war has to stop and whether people like it or not Russia has the upper hand in talks. If Ukraine gets a majority of the land Russia currently occupies back given the circumstances it’s the best conclusion. If people want to continue anthem Russia will hoover up more land while another generation of Ukrainian men get wiped out.

 

Clearly demonstrating the Western Twitter influence once again. If Russia decided to bomb Scotland today by your logic you’d be “ahh well that’s not great, but we don’t want a war and nobody else needs to die”. This is how you enable war lords. Your selective reasoning of war is again ignorant- we’ve got a civil wars in different parts of Africa, had a civil war in Syrian a continual war in Yemen for years. I don’t want a war but you have to stand up for what is right- just like I suspect Trump will claim

Greenland and you’ll be like “ahh yeah but don’t anybody to die”. Your argument is confused and laughable and laced with Pro-Kremlin rhetoric.

 

“Get the best possible deal” alright then tell me what that is. You are laughably naive if you think any real arranges does not present Russia with the opportunity to invade Ukraine once they are economically and physically recharged. That’s why NATO is a red line, because with NATO membership there is no way they can reclaim the old USSR. Russia wants to end the war now as they can get a favourable deal from the US. You know, one which works in their favour. The war has crippled them and they were clearly unprepared for the military stubbornness and the West support with arms. If the West didn’t support they’d have taken strongholds in Ukraine.

 

Yes Russia did help in WW2. Japan, Italy and Germany also slaughtered thousands of innocent people.. not really sure what your point is? Stalin was an oppressive dictator who killed millions of innocent people in his own country too. Of course I don’t want WW3, but you know, the examples you’ve just shared are not countries invading sovereign states with weapons?

The point you missed is that Russia suffered severe losses in this conflict. It’s obvious that this is mutual stalemate that ultimately Russia would win but not without a heavy price.

 

The point severin is the position we are in now. You cannot continue this war on this trajectory. You cannot go back in time. Russia is winning and continuing is unsustainable.

 

You cannot have a stalemate when one side is winning and Russia has been on the front foot for the last 12 months.

 

I didn't miss any point about Russia having suffered losses. Putin is prepared to continue as long as he needs to because he knows Ukraine will break first without any outside help. 20 millions Soviets died in the Great Patriotic War (ironically mostly Ukrainians) and Putin has been invoking that to justify his war. Russia will tolerate a lot more deaths yet.

 

With Trump now acting in Putin's interests over Ukraine's, Putin knows that he can now dictate the terms far more favourably than if Harris had won. This is his golden ticket.

 

Ukraine will not have the territory Russia has annexed returned. Russia will keep Crimea, Donbass, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson either in whole or in part. If Putin doesn't like the terms he is willing to continue if need be

 

 

The Russian people who know what is going on are in no mood to stage any kind of popular uprising against him and have no leader or organisation capable of attempting to challenge him. The remaining many who believe the state propaganda also prefer to pretend the war is being won. Many more are apathetic to the conflict and any change in this attitude has been marginal since the 2022 escalation. The Russian clampdown on any public expression of disapproval has seen to that.

 

Read any Telegram reports from the front line, or Moscow etc and you'll see that Putin can sustain this conflict well beyond what Ukraine can do on their own. Ukraine with US and Europe's backing might just hold on long enough to get terms accetpable to them.

 

Putin just wants a ‘ceasefire’ so he can rebuild and regroup, only to launch an all-out attack at a later date to make up for the humiliating withdrawal in early 2022 having aimed to take all of Ukraine in a matter of days. Not only that, but Georgia and Moldova (and its breakaway territory Transnistria) will be seen as fair game.

 

Bank of Russia Lifts Rate to Record of 21% The decision lifted the key interest rate to its highest on record, surpassing the extraordinary move that lifted the rate to 20% in response to the crash of the ruble following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

 

I don't think this is a particularly strong hand - your economy is literally on the floor with stagflation, and Russia is forced basically to become China's bitch to survive.

 

Also- Liam, this article may interest you x

Yes Russia did help in WW2. Japan, Italy and Germany also slaughtered thousands of innocent people.. not really sure what your point is? Stalin was an oppressive dictator who killed millions of innocent people in his own country too. Of course I don’t want WW3, but you know, the examples you’ve just shared are not countries invading sovereign states with weapons?

 

 

Let's not forget that the USSR was quite happy to sign a treaty with the Nazis and invade Poland and Finland when it suited them (they still haven't given back Karelia or Kaliningrad). Poland hasn't and will never forget either, the massacre at Katyn or that the Red Army paused to allow the Nazi regime to slaughter the Warsaw Uprising when they could have assisted (and shortened the war).

 

Post WWII, the USSR invaded Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Afghanistan because they might want some kind of freedom or democratic reform. Russia itself has subsequently invaded and put down independence and reform in the Chechen Republic, Georgia and now Ukraine because it served their own agenda and sphere of influence.

 

Aside from a brief time in the 90's Russia (or the USSR) has always maintained a doctrine of expansion and suppression of its neighbour states whilst playing the victim.

 

Their place at the table with the other Allies was begrudgingly and distrustfully, so much so that Operation Unthinkable was planned.

Putin just wants a ‘ceasefire’ so he can rebuild and regroup, only to launch an all-out attack at a later date to make up for the humiliating withdrawal in early 2022 having aimed to take all of Ukraine in a matter of days. Not only that, but Georgia and Moldova (and its breakaway territory Transnistria) will be seen as fair game.

I don't think this is a particularly strong hand - your economy is literally on the floor with stagflation, and Russia is forced basically to become China's bitch to survive.

 

Also- Liam, this article may interest you x

 

Well there are many articles out there.

 

This one suggests Boris Johnson scuppered a peace deal - https://europeanconservative.com/articles/n...ian-peace-deal/

 

This one suggests Ukraine blew up the pipeline in a false flag to lure the west into fighting Russia - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2...e-claims-report

 

People end up believing what they want to believe. Logically we have seen Russia is very containable on the battlefield and these fears of future invasions seem a bit exaggerated. That’s just my take given what we have seen.

Well there are many articles out there.

 

This one suggests Boris Johnson scuppered a peace deal - https://europeanconservative.com/articles/n...ian-peace-deal/

 

This one suggests Ukraine blew up the pipeline in a false flag to lure the west into fighting Russia - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2...e-claims-report

 

People end up believing what they want to believe. Logically we have seen Russia is very containable on the battlefield and these fears of future invasions seem a bit exaggerated. That’s just my take given what we have seen.

 

I remark you back to 1938. Russia is very containable in its current iteration, it was basically forced to become China’s little bitch. The wider angle here is the US is so afraid of Chinese dominance they’ve decided to apply with Russia. Absolute madness.

 

The US and Trump can frankly go and f*** themselves as far as I’m concerned. They’ve chosen to severe ties with allies. Trump is basically the Kremlin at this stage and all these so called patriots are anything but.

If you keep ceding, you keep bolstering their confidence and their lack of faith in NATO. Combine that with NATO being defunct now and needing a new European security apparatus, plus Russia's economy already being on a war footing already, and the potential for an attack skyrockets.

I remark you back to 1938. Russia is very containable in its current iteration, it was basically forced to become China’s little bitch. The wider angle here is the US is so afraid of Chinese dominance they’ve decided to apply with Russia. Absolute madness.

 

The US and Trump can frankly go and f*** themselves as far as I’m concerned. They’ve chosen to severe ties with allies. Trump is basically the Kremlin at this stage and all these so called patriots are anything but.

 

This is probably the modus operandi, if there is one.

 

It would be one thing if it were the US doing realpolitik, accepting that they cannot beat Russia with Ukraine so they're going for peace instead. That would be disappointing, but reconcilable with the post-1989 international order. This is something else. Trump is repeating Kremlin lines and lies (paraphrasing: 'Ukraine's run by a dictator' (the brass neck on him here!), 'Zelensky's only got 4% popularity', 'Ukraine started the war'), Zelensky's right when he says there an air of misinformation around Trump, but all the misinformation and lies are just excuses, it's the US making preparations to align with Russia and accepting their line that they have 'spheres of influence' which in a world with the UN and self-determination should be a sentence that is never thought of let alone made policy.

 

If you went back to any point in US history over the past century and floated the idea of US-Russia aligning, especially against the interests of Europe, it would be unthinkable. Which is what makes this so scary.

Well there are many articles out there.

 

This one suggests Boris Johnson scuppered a peace deal - https://europeanconservative.com/articles/n...ian-peace-deal/

 

This one suggests Ukraine blew up the pipeline in a false flag to lure the west into fighting Russia - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2...e-claims-report

 

People end up believing what they want to believe. Logically we have seen Russia is very containable on the battlefield and these fears of future invasions seem a bit exaggerated. That’s just my take given what we have seen.

 

Honestly man, these are terrifying sentences to read. From the mind of someone who maybe knows deep down, they have been had by far-right and Russian propaganda, but doesn't want to admit it and will not change their mind because the memes or articles that confirm their world view are more comforting to read and believe in.

Trump is screaming about missing money in Ukraine. Um, the money was spent within the US, you dolt, by giving thrm the old armaments!!!

It’s all just the same rhetoric over and over. Answer me this. What is your solution? If it’s not about NATO like Silas claims then why won’t the EU take NATO off the table?

 

If NATO is the excuse well take the excuse away? Then suddenly it changes to Ukraine should be able to do what it wants.

 

Nobody has a solution because it’s just stubbornness over lives and diversions from solutions. We know world leaders aren’t consistent or honest in their rhetoric we’ve seen that with their different takes on Israel. We know foreign interference in elections is no stranger to the US because they’ve done it forever. Hell Zelenskyy is probably in charge thanks to the US.

 

Appeasement is a silly term in this context. You have a situation where a prolonged war just financially bleeds the western world, loses hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives and land….so what is your solution? As per nobody has one they just wait around and care more about their appearance and repeating the same rhetoric ad nauseam.

 

News flash the UK cannot afford to give pensioners heating in the winter it cannot pay for Ukraine’s war, US citizens are tired of it too. It cannot drag on forever.

 

So you need to talk or make a deal or understand the other sides perspective. It’s funny how the UK made a deal with the IRA a terrorist group which I’m sure you agree with right? The Good Friday agreement but talking to Russia is a no no. Why wasn’t that appeasement?

 

The EU clearly isn’t going to fully go to war with Russia so stop wasting lives and money and time and reach deals and move on. It’s obvious Russia feels threatened and being stubborn has got nobody anywhere.

 

I absolutely do agree with the terorisy group you named, they are currently in government in NI. Popular enough then 🤔

 

Trump is really committing to siding with Putin. Calling Zelensky a dictator among all things what the f***?! Hopefully Europe doesn’t spread this American rot. The misinformation machine just never stops and I’m so tired of billionaires trying to play fascism, Luigiiiiiiiiiiiii help

Well there are many articles out there.

 

This one suggests Boris Johnson scuppered a peace deal - https://europeanconservative.com/articles/n...ian-peace-deal/

 

This one suggests Ukraine blew up the pipeline in a false flag to lure the west into fighting Russia - https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2...e-claims-report

 

People end up believing what they want to believe. Logically we have seen Russia is very containable on the battlefield and these fears of future invasions seem a bit exaggerated. That’s just my take given what we have seen.

 

Your "exaggerated" views are just that. Your views. I prefer to deal with facts and previous. Putin: ended democracy in Russia, turned adjacent countries into vassel states, invaded Crimea then got away with it and went back for more. Talk of NATO is just n excuse, NATO armies can get to Russia from any where they want to, it's irrelevant whether they attack from Ukraine or other countries within NATO - which they/we never will if he would just f*** off and mind his own business, because we believe in democracy. So did the USA before Trump turned them into the baddies who also want to end democracy in the USA and everywhere else. If you can't see that is reality then your opinion isn't based on reason and observation, it may be based on youtube propaganda videos, which is the main problem with the MAGA loonies, who know zero about the real world and are fed "facts" that can be traced back to Putin who is polluting and capturing large parts of the West by using people's own stupidity against them. Just watched one myself. They love Putin. They are morons. They have no idea how to research actual facts.

 

Meanwhile previously: Afghanistan was invaded by Russia long before the USA went there (and not for any reason, other than they just could) and found out that reality is a bitch, and withdrew to leave a mess that attacked the USA, in much the same way as Hamas attacked Israel, and both were courses of action that were nuts and led to far worse - except that the attempt in Afghanistan to remove terrorism and oppression was a failure because, guess what, Trump withdrew and left them. net result: women are now prisoners in their own country and it's busy simmering along with other extremists. Extremists do not take other people's welfare into account (they really don't care about them), they aren't logical, and they cause chaos and misery. If you don't stand up to them (as the West hasnt for a quarter of a century with Russia) they instead enrich themselves and commit blatant murders of any opposition anywhere in the world, just as they've been trying to do with Zelensky.

 

All of my views are available to read on back-issue postings on Buzzjack, and I always take a long look at consequences, it's my favourite by-word because people by and large are myopic and look down on cynics. Cynics don't cause chaos, optmists do, largely because they are so sure of themselves that they fail to see warning signs. Working in local government I had decades of watching people make the same mistakes again and again, and failing to listen to experts and reason, and consequences..? Huge debts multiple times. Every one of 'em was caused by right-wing optimists aided and abetted by the right-wing government until they got so nutty that even The Tory Government had to step in and say "NO!!". Much like the USA where the right-wing give billionaires cash breaks and then use debts as an excuse to cut social programmes to help the poor. The biggest needy social tax-leech in the world is Musk. His fortune is mostly tax-payer paid and almost all of it has just gone towards fantasy projects and his cars. In the past it was Democrats that reduced the debt, but those days are gone now and the damage coming to everyone is going to be enormous. There is no escaping it because Trump is a f***ing fascist moron and he is going to make his own people poorer, and alienate everyone but dictators. And he doesnt give a shit how many people he kills as a by-product of his own insane greedy self-worshipping, never has, not even his supporters. The irony is the US governments created their own downfall by privatising space travel over to Musk and subsidising the bullshitter's cars. Even I didn't see that one coming.....

 

I don't habitually swear in real life, but sometimes it's useful to underline something that is (another fave word coming) bleedingly-obvious and has been to me for the last 10 years. I've said so, repeatedly.