June 3, 20205 yr Author The store looks to be open again now so let's move on from this as both sides have clearly laid out their points. Adelita, no one wants to alienate you here, it's just a heated discussion but elsewhere in the forum you'll see that we are all welcoming and ready to engage in discussion about Gaga and the chats so you don't need to leave! Have a browse around the forum and the site and see what's on offer! :heart: Her US store is still closed, in the middle of the release week of her new album, that she worked for 3 long years... You clearly understood my point and the point of who is coming against me and trying to make me the villain here, and the initial topic was about the Gaga store being closed while 90% of other artists' and celebrities' stores remained open in the middle of the day of rallies and demonstrations for the cause of black people. I just want to expose my opinion, I am not obliged to anyone to agree with it, but I don't want free attacks or mediocre answers, trying to erase the error of the other artists using Gaga as a scapegoat. If there is respect for my person, I will continue debating here, but if they continue to exalt themselves against me and keep trying to do my skull here, I will leave the forum, and that is not drama or threat, it is just because I don't want to be where alienated people don't welcome me, just because I don't have the same closed mind that, it seems, everyone should have here.
June 3, 20205 yr Her US store is still closed, in the middle of the release week of her new album, that she worked for 3 long years... You clearly understood my point and the point of who is coming against me and trying to make me the villain here, and the initial topic was about the Gaga store being closed while 90% of other artists' and celebrities' stores remained open in the middle of the day of rallies and demonstrations for the cause of black people. I just want to expose my opinion, I am not obliged to anyone to agree with it, but I don't want free attacks or mediocre answers, trying to erase the error of the other artists using Gaga as a scapegoat. If there is respect for my person, I will continue debating here, but if they continue to exalt themselves against me and keep trying to do my skull here, I will leave the forum, and that is not drama or threat, it is just because I don't want to be where alienated people don't welcome me, just because I don't have the same closed mind that, it seems, everyone should have here. OK that is fair enough! I too am annoyed therefore that many other big profile artists didn't close their stores, we probably all are because the more voices the better. Taylor, Beyonce and more, I wish they did the same as Gaga did. They should have to make a bigger voice for #TheShowMustBePaused. But they didn't... and that sucks. Let's DM them or tweet them to show our frustration. That's all we can do! Gaga did it, so well done her, my respect has grown EVEN MORE - annoying that others didn't - so let's use our voice on social media if we are annoyed to make them aware of this!! If other artists DIDN'T do this (Taylor etc), maybe Gaga doing it will help to lead a movement in the future for other artists to do it. Many artists would never have dreamed about singing about gay rights until Gaga's explicit addressing of LGBTQ issues in 2011. Madonna gave these issues a voice in the 90s too - it takes pioneers to make movements happen, not everyone is going to make actions at the same time immediately. Perhaps this is one such moment. So I agree that I wish other artists did do it, but because they didn't, it doesn't take anything away from Gaga doing it. She was just one of a few people leading this movement yesterday! I really don't want this to become a witch hunt or anything, and Adelita your voice is welcomed here. I really hope you believe that, and if I haven't welcomed you as a moderator here or as a person on this site, then please let me know via private message. But as has been said, let's move on to what she is doing and how positive it is and if not and it becomes personal then I will close the topic! :heart:
June 3, 20205 yr Author Adelita I hope you feel ok about using this forum. I myself have had issues on this site at the past (never in the Gaga forum) but I’ve often found and felt attacked regarding some things I’ve said so if you ever need to speak to anyone I’ll be happy to message you :) I don’t for one minute think you’re deliberately trying to be offensive. The forum is a charts forum after all and all you were doing was showing your passion for her chart position. I can see some other people’s points of view as well but I think we all care more than most on this forum regarding chart position and sales etc... it’s partly why I joined the site tbh. Thank you for your kindness. ^_^
June 3, 20205 yr Author i don't think we should close the topic because it's important to discuss what is happening in the world right now + gaga's view on it. perhaps one of the mods could have a quiet word with adelita? not about their view on this topic just on the forum rules on decorum + decency x Now it's you trying to make the moderators' minds to shut me up just because I'm not alienated like you and most of them are forced to think the same way. Glad you're showing your true colors.
June 3, 20205 yr Author I think the race issue is obviously a huge huge deal and it is rightfully dominating news because what’s going on is terrible and there needs to be action but I do also at the same time understand why someone on this forum would sort of care about the chart position. Plus this site is one of few places where we can escape the nastiness of the world and have discussions on sales, peaks music etc. I hope I don’t offend anyone by saying that ^_^ But yeah this part of the forum is definitely amongst the most welcoming :heart: so please do continue posting Adelita. Thanks again for your support. Good to know there are people here who think outside the box. ;)
June 3, 20205 yr Author Dua Lipa also closed her online store yesterday @1267894336164945923 :clap: :clap: Her album was released over 2 months ago, she has already sold what she had to sell, by the way, didn't she break the #1 album in the UK with the worst sales of the century? It's not like she's selling mountains of records too. Her case is totally different from Gaga who closed her shop in the middle of the week of the release of her new album and so far she hasn't opened again. But anyway, congratulations to her, she's done more than Taylor, Beyoncé and Katy + other greedy artists, who just did a cheap theater on twitter. Edited June 3, 20205 yr by Adelita
June 3, 20205 yr Now it's you trying to make the moderators' minds to shut me up just because I'm not alienated like you and most of them are forced to think the same way. Glad you're showing your true colors. instead of thinking outside the box, why not come + discuss something else with us in the other threads? let’s switch focus, remain positive + have an open discussion about the album or rain on me or whatever you like? :)
June 3, 20205 yr Author OK that is fair enough! I too am annoyed therefore that many other big profile artists didn't close their stores, we probably all are because the more voices the better. Taylor, Beyonce and more, I wish they did the same as Gaga did. They should have to make a bigger voice for #TheShowMustBePaused. But they didn't... and that sucks. Let's DM them or tweet them to show our frustration. That's all we can do! Gaga did it, so well done her, my respect has grown EVEN MORE - annoying that others didn't - so let's use our voice on social media if we are annoyed to make them aware of this!! If other artists DIDN'T do this (Taylor etc), maybe Gaga doing it will help to lead a movement in the future for other artists to do it. Many artists would never have dreamed about singing about gay rights until Gaga's explicit addressing of LGBTQ issues in 2011. Madonna gave these issues a voice in the 90s too - it takes pioneers to make movements happen, not everyone is going to make actions at the same time immediately. Perhaps this is one such moment. So I agree that I wish other artists did do it, but because they didn't, it doesn't take anything away from Gaga doing it. She was just one of a few people leading this movement yesterday! I really don't want this to become a witch hunt or anything, and Adelita your voice is welcomed here. I really hope you believe that, and if I haven't welcomed you as a moderator here or as a person on this site, then please let me know via private message. But as has been said, let's move on to what she is doing and how positive it is and if not and it becomes personal then I will close the topic! :heart: Thank you for your words and advice, I did not want to offend anyone and their vision here, but I demand respect, because I have not offended anyone here, I just don't agree to have to think in the same way as everyone here, I have my own opinion, even if most don't agree. Now I think it's time to focus on Gaga and leave the problems aside. Black lives do matter and I'm 100% on the side of that cause, but this is a forum about charts and I was debating about it. I just won't accept being silenced because some people here want me to think like them. Edited June 3, 20205 yr by Adelita
June 3, 20205 yr Author instead of thinking outside the box, why not come + discuss something else with us in the other threads? let’s switch focus, remain positive + have an open discussion about the album or rain on me or whatever you like? :) Gaga's US, Australia and other countries stores remains closed, that's the point I want to raise. Edited June 3, 20205 yr by Adelita
June 3, 20205 yr Her album was released over 2 months ago, she has already sold what she had to sell, by the way, didn't she break the #1 album in the UK with the worst sales of the century? It's not like she's selling mountains of records too. Her case is totally different from Gaga who closed her shop in the middle of the week of the release of her new album and so far she hasn't opened again. But anyway, congratulations to her, she's done more than Taylor, Beyoncé and Katy + other greedy artists, who just did a cheap theater on twitter. Was it really necessary to say this? That record will likely be broken again by someone else by the end of the year, and the album is already the 7th best-selling of the year in the UK so far.
June 3, 20205 yr No one has yet answered me about why the artists I quoted and 90% of the rest of the music industry still sell their stuff as if it were just another day. I'm sure if it were the other way around, everyone would already be attacking Gaga. Gaga's laudable attitude doesn't erase the lack of awareness of the other artists, who continue to sell their stuff, and the need for them to participate in the movement, as they are also opinion makers. Are we the forum of pop music star PR spokespeople? No. So why don't you ask THEM why THEY didn't make a choice to support the movement instead of attacking everyone in here (and MOST of all GAGA herself!) as if we are responsible for their actions. There is no rulebook. Every artist is free to do what they want and close their store whenever they feel like. End of story really..
June 3, 20205 yr Carly debutted at #42 on the album chart, wow... Will she spend more than a week in the top 100 like her previous album, or maybe she'll get 2 weeks like Emotion, from 5 years ago? Stop kidding around and start talking seriously. She's not Beyoncé or Taylor, who have fans and form opinions. Also, why doesn't it matter that Beyoncé, Taylor, Katy and many others haven't closed their stores? It's nothing new that most of you would be would crucify Gaga if she hadn't closed her store in respect to the movement, which 90% of the rest of the music industry hasn't done, and you don't seem to care at all. For you, it doesn't matter if none of the big artists are caring about the movement, as long as Gaga keeps losing sales in the week of the debut of her new album. Speaking of which, her US store is still closed. :coffee: It was Gaga/her label's choice to close her store to show her message instead. This doesn't mean that every other artist should do the same... in my opinion. You're right, I don't care that some artists haven't closed their stores because I don't think that in and of itself is hugely important in the grand scheme of things. It's a gesture. However you're wrong, I do think it matters that big artists (and indeed, anyone) cares about the Black Lives Matter movement. An online store being accessible or inaccessible ≠ caring about & helping with the movement. Look, Gaga is going to be #1 all over the world. "Losing sales" is meaningless. Chromatica is a success even if she sells a few less physicals than she might have done otherwise. I just don't see what's so concerning? There's still other ways that people can buy the album. Most of her big fans will have secured their numerous formats already anyway. I probably shouldn't acknowledge your comments about Carly's level of success, but let me make it clear: it was merely an example that another label (and an artist on that label) decided to do what Gaga has done. This has nothing to do with success, I wasn't making a comparison in terms of that.
June 4, 20205 yr Author Was it really necessary to say this? That record will likely be broken again by someone else by the end of the year, and the album is already the 7th best-selling of the year in the UK so far. Truth hurts. :wacko: Edited June 4, 20205 yr by Adelita
June 4, 20205 yr Author It was Gaga/her label's choice to close her store to show her message instead. This doesn't mean that every other artist should do the same... in my opinion. You're right, I don't care that some artists haven't closed their stores because I don't think that in and of itself is hugely important in the grand scheme of things. It's a gesture. However you're wrong, I do think it matters that big artists (and indeed, anyone) cares about the Black Lives Matter movement. An online store being accessible or inaccessible ≠ caring about & helping with the movement. Look, Gaga is going to be #1 all over the world. "Losing sales" is meaningless. Chromatica is a success even if she sells a few less physicals than she might have done otherwise. I just don't see what's so concerning? There's still other ways that people can buy the album. Most of her big fans will have secured their numerous formats already anyway. I probably shouldn't acknowledge your comments about Carly's level of success, but let me make it clear: it was merely an example that another label (and an artist on that label) decided to do what Gaga has done. This has nothing to do with success, I wasn't making a comparison in terms of that. Again you use Gaga to stifle the lack of commitment of other big artists, don't you get tired of giving the same excuses? And no, it wasn't a total decision by Gaga, it was an agreement between her and her label. Some Interscope artists had their stores closed and still continue to do so. Also, Rihanna closed, Madonna closed, and I applaud their attitude, but my question is why other big artists didn't do the same either? Would they be poor to close their shop for just one day, for a noble cause? That's all. We are in a forum about charts and the only one that is really being harmed here is Gaga, who closed her store in the middle of the week of release of her new album, and this, whether you like it or not, will affect the Chromatica debut. It's a fact, not a question. Edited June 4, 20205 yr by Adelita
June 4, 20205 yr Her album was released over 2 months ago, she has already sold what she had to sell, by the way, didn't she break the #1 album in the UK with the worst sales of the century? It's not like she's selling mountains of records too. Her case is totally different from Gaga who closed her shop in the middle of the week of the release of her new album and so far she hasn't opened again. But anyway, congratulations to her, she's done more than Taylor, Beyoncé and Katy + other greedy artists, who just did a cheap theater on twitter. Again you use Gaga to stifle the lack of commitment of other big artists, don't you get tired of giving the same excuses? And no, it wasn't a total decision by Gaga, it was an agreement between her and her label. Some Interscope artists had their stores closed and still continue to do so. Also, Rihanna closed, Madonna closed, and I applaud their attitude, but my question is why other big artists didn't do the same either? Would they be poor to close their shop for just one day, for a noble cause? That's all. We are in a forum about charts and the only one that is really being harmed here is Gaga, who closed her store in the middle of the week of release of her new album, and this, whether you like it or not, will affect the Chromatica debut. It's a fact, not a question. so many contradictions!!!
June 4, 20205 yr Ok I think we've all made our points now so no one is being silenced. Let's get back to enjoying the music elsewhere in the forum, and discussing Black Lives Matters in the Politics and News forum.
June 4, 20205 yr Closing this with another post made by her today: Because of the voices of the people, a principle this country was founded upon, now all four officers have been arrested for the racist and brutal murder of George Floyd. I hope that all cops who have engaged in or are engaging in any racist activity are met with the highest form of law & order, although we know the law & order in this country is predicated upon racism and is itself corrupt. We are once again witnessing the devastating and overwhelming evidence of police brutality and prejudicial responses from prosecutors and local officials. I also hope for the families of all Black lives who have been taken from us to see justice and healing though I believe many of us know we sadly cannot promise that. I applaud the brave citizens of this nation that are speaking up, and I support the unsupported voices of the Black community. I wish for their voices to be heard loudly and clearly, and that they feel loved and amplified by allies. I know you know how much I believe in kindness. The spirit of this movement is intrinsically rooted in a universal dream of kindness and it’s precisely that same kindness that I am wishing for those that are suffering tonight. I have endless compassion in my heart as we struggle as one nation to find bold and effective solutions to an insidious and systemic problem that’s plagued our country since its birth. Here are some of the important advocacy organizations I’m donating to in support of this continuous fight for racial and social justice. I encourage you to learn about the important work they do and how you can get involved. Black Lives Matter. Sincerely, Lady Gaga The Loveland Foundation https://thelovelandfoundation.org Loveland Foundation is committed to showing up for communities of color in unique and powerful ways, with a particular focus on Black women and girls. Our resources and initiatives are collaborative and they prioritize opportunity, access, validation, and healing. We are becoming the ones we’ve been waiting for. Black Lives Matter https://blacklivesmatter.com Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state. Campaign Zero https://www.joincampaignzero.org Campaign ZERO was developed with contributions from activists, protesters and researchers across the nation. This data-informed platform presents comprehensive solutions to end police violence in America. It integrates community demands and policy recommendations from research organizations and President Obama's Task Force on 21st Century Policing. The Marsha P. Johnson Institute https://marshap.org/about-mpji/ We were created to elevate, support, and nourish the voices of Black trans people. Our community is made up of Black trans people and those committed to undoing white supremacy in all of its forms. Our space is intended for the sole purpose of bettering the Black trans community across the diaspora. NAACP Legal Defense Fund https://www.naacpldf.org/ The NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc. is America’s premier legal organization fighting for racial justice. Through litigation, advocacy, and public education, LDF seeks structural changes to expand democracy, eliminate disparities, and achieve racial justice in a society that fulfills the promise of equality for all Americans. LDF also defends the gains and protections won over the past 75 years of civil rights struggle and works to improve the quality and diversity of judicial and executive appointments. Color Of Change https://colorofchange.org Color Of Change helps you do something real about injustice. We design campaigns powerful enough to end practices that unfairly hold Black people back, and champion solutions that move us all forward. Until justice is real. Color Of Change is here to make decision makers nervous when they think about neglecting and exploiting our communities. By holding them accountable, and championing solutions for social change, we are making society less hostile and more human for Black people in America. Help us do it. Black Futures Lab https://blackfutureslab.org/ Black Futures Lab works with Black people to transform our communities, building Black political power and changing the way that power operates—locally, statewide, and nationally. There are three ways that Black Futures Lab is a different kind of project for change: our mission to engage Black voters year-round; our commitment to use our political strength to stop corporate influences from creeping into progressive policies; and our plan to combine technology and traditional organizing methods to reach Black people anywhere and everywhere we are. Fair Fight Action https://fairfight.com/ We promote fair elections in Georgia and around the country, encourage voter participation in elections, and educate voters about elections and their voting rights. Fair Fight brings awareness to the public on election reform, advocates for election reform at all levels, and engages in other voter education programs and communications. National Lawyers Guild https://www.nlg.org/ The NLG is dedicated to the need for basic change in the structure of our political and economic system. The NLG is anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, and anti-racist and we strive to bring in anti-oppressive practices to all aspects of our organization. Each year, NLG members vote on organizational resolutions, which shape our priorities and areas of intervention. Through the national office, local and law school chapters, national committees, independent projects, and individual members, the Guild helps to support social justice movements on the ground as well as provide solidarity to international struggles. Community Justice Action Fund https://www.cjactionfund.org/ The Community Justice Action Fund is a nonprofit organization building power for and with communities of color to end gun violence. CJAF is changing the conversation on gun violence prevention by leading with the people closest to the pain of everyday gun violence. Ending gun violence takes all of us. @ladygaga
June 5, 20205 yr She will be handing over her social media to voices that need it right now. A great move and platform for the organisations that get a chance to be involved. @1268695126555025410 :heart:
