10x Platinum adding The Fame + Monster. In the US, TF + M combined hit 11x P. Also, 10x P in the UK means lower sales than pure sales of The Fame alone in the US. Got the point? ;)

Obviously, there's more people in the US for it to be possible to achieve those higher numbers. 10xPlatinum in the UK is gigantic... plus the The Fame Monster was treated as a re-release of The Fame here, so it doesn't matter how it got to those sales - every sale of it includes The Fame. Every single was important and LoveGame certainly did its job. The UK was a very important market for the era. Gaga/the label clearly had a vision for worldwide, not just the US, and ultimately that made them choose LoveGame over Starstruck.

 

Starstruck doing well as an album track, which was probably down to the name recognition of Flo Rida being big in 2009, is no guarantee that it would have been a surefire hit single. Like I said before, perhaps Right Round would have completely overshadowed it if it had been given single status, and ended up looking like a relative flop. Maybe it would have been massive, but unless we invent a time machine and go back and somehow force Gaga/the label into choosing Starstruck instead, we'll never know! So your posts are opinions and speculative, not fact - same as all of us. ;)

Starstruck with video, airplay and performances would be a #1 US smash hit and would have sold 5M pure US sales in the worst case scenario. I know a hit when I hear one.

Yeah and that's your opinion. If you were old enough to be following that era at the time, you would know the buzz was around Paparazzi and LoveGame. Nobody cared for Starstruck.

 

It charted for 1 week at #70 on Billboard's Digital Songs chart when the album was released, big deal. That doesn't mean it's what the GP were going mad for or it was going to as big as Poker Face.

 

And you are not stating facts. You're taking US numbers (not global ones) from random points in time to justify your own chart predictions and opinions that Starstruck would have been the next Poker Face. That's called an assumption and speculation.

By the time Paparazzi hit 100k in the US, Starstruck had already sold over 300k:

 

Thu June 11, 2009, 17:30

168 LADY GAGA PAPARAZZI 8,469 36 6,225 100,047

178 LADY GAGA FEAT. SPACE COWBOY & STARSTRUCK 8,124 1 8,043 323,491

 

Final US Paparazzi Sales: 3.6M (5x P)

 

If we do a basic ratio calculation, Starstruck would have sold 11.6M in the US. I know it wouldn't reach that amount, but at least half of that I'm sure the song would have sold if it had become an official single and no one can deny that, numbers are facts.

Obviously, there's more people in the US for it to be possible to achieve those higher numbers. 10xPlatinum in the UK is gigantic... plus the The Fame Monster was treated as a re-release of The Fame here, so it doesn't matter how it got to those sales - every sale of it includes The Fame. Every single was important and LoveGame certainly did its job. The UK was a very important market for the era. Gaga/the label clearly had a vision for worldwide, not just the US, and ultimately that made them choose LoveGame over Starstruck.

 

Starstruck doing well as an album track, which was probably down to the name recognition of Flo Rida being big in 2009, is no guarantee that it would have been a surefire hit single. Like I said before, perhaps Right Round would have completely overshadowed it if it had been given single status, and ended up looking like a relative flop. Maybe it would have been massive, but unless we invent a time machine and go back and somehow force Gaga/the label into choosing Starstruck instead, we'll never know! So your posts are opinions and speculative, not fact - same as all of us. ;)

Starstruck in the US alone would have outsold LoveGame worldwide. All that LoveGame did was to drop the hype of the era due to the boycotts that the song suffered, being included in blacklists on radio (mainly in the UK) and on TV, having its video mutilated.

 

And imagine believing that the probability of the third most popular song on the album at the time being overshadowed by another hit would be bigger than the probability of a song with clear indications of hit happening.

 

You are going against logic mate.

Yeah and that's your opinion. If you were old enough to be following that era at the time, you would know the buzz was around Paparazzi and LoveGame. Nobody cared for Starstruck.

 

It charted for 1 week at #70 on Billboard's Digital Songs chart when the album was released, big deal. That doesn't mean it's what the GP were going mad for or it was going to as big as Poker Face.

 

And you are not stating facts. You're taking US numbers (not global ones) from random points in time to justify your own chart predictions and opinions that Starstruck would have been the next Poker Face. That's called an assumption and speculation.

The numbers clearly show the opposite, stop just throwing opinions and bring something to back up what you say like I did. You are tiring and always go around in circles without actually proving anything…

Are you going to keep repeating your impressions or are you going to bring up some fact? I get that you don't like the song, but her US audience disagrees.

 

I like the song, but it is no Paparazzi, Poker Face or Just Dance.

 

Seeing as Love Game was the 3rd single in the US, maybe they could have released it then, but in the UK Paparazzi was absolutely the right choice as 3rd single. They could have released it as 4th in UK, too, but went with Love Game, which has aged better anyway.

A lot of these facts indicate Starstuck could've been bigger than LoveGame in some markets... where does bigger than Poker Face come into things. Where are the facts for that? :wacko:

The numbers clearly show the opposite, stop just throwing opinions and bring something to back up what you say like I did. You are tiring and always go around in circles without actually proving anything…

Comment on the topic, not the person replying. I have a lot to say about how you conduct yourself on this site, but am I going down the route? No

 

The numbers you posted suggested that Starstruck had potential in the US, nothing more and nowhere else. LoveGame and Paparazzi did the job anyway. Move on.

Starstruck in the US alone would have outsold LoveGame worldwide. All that LoveGame did was to drop the hype of the era due to the boycotts that the song suffered, being included in blacklists on radio (mainly in the UK) and on TV, having its video mutilated.

 

And imagine believing that the probability of the third most popular song on the album at the time being overshadowed by another hit would be bigger than the probability of a song with clear indications of hit happening.

 

You are going against logic mate.

What a load of nonsense.

 

If anything, you are going against logic. LoveGame absolutely did not "ruin the hype" of the era. Starstruck had potential to be a bigger hit than LoveGame in the US only and based on numbers alone but that is still speculative and it would have never in a million years been bigger than Poker Face. Get a grip!

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The impact was undeniable tbh.

^ omg

 

And imagine believing that the probability of the third most popular song on the album at the time being overshadowed by another hit would be bigger than the probability of a song with clear indications of hit happening.

 

You are going against logic mate.

As much as you're free to say that you think Starstruck would have been bigger than Just Dance and as big as Poker Face, I have the same right to state what I believe could have been possible reasons why Gaga and Interscope passed on making it a single (assuming that it was ever a discussion for them). That's not "going against logic", it's theorising.

 

The nature of a thread like this is to be speculative, ponder what could have been - but it's all opinions. There is no fact in anything that we say when talking about album tracks we think could/should have been singles. Is it a fact that Starstruck did well as an album track in the US? Yes. Is it a fact that it therefore would have been a #1 single and apparently one of the biggest hits of her career? No!

I like the song, but it is no Paparazzi, Poker Face or Just Dance.

 

Seeing as Love Game was the 3rd single in the US, maybe they could have released it then, but in the UK Paparazzi was absolutely the right choice as 3rd single. They could have released it as 4th in UK, too, but went with Love Game, which has aged better anyway.

That's your opinion, not a fact. I prefer to cling to numbers, they are a fact.

A lot of these facts indicate Starstuck could've been bigger than LoveGame in some markets... where does bigger than Poker Face come into things. Where are the facts for that? :wacko:

I didn't say bigger than Poker Face, I said as big as Poker Face and I've already shown enough data to prove what I said. It was stupid to lower the hype of the era with a single that was censored instead of betting on a safe choice of a hit that had been chosen by the public. I'm sure it was Gaga who insisted on releasing LoveGame as a single to "shock" the audience, she probably fought with her record company, which I'm sure opted for Starstruck as the third single since its sales were superior to the other tracks on the album at that time, but it was a wrong decision, just look at the numbers of LoveGame compared to the other three singles, it was an underperformance.

Comment on the topic, not the person replying. I have a lot to say about how you conduct yourself on this site, but am I going down the route? No

 

The numbers you posted suggested that Starstruck had potential in the US, nothing more and nowhere else. LoveGame and Paparazzi did the job anyway. Move on.

You don't know me so you can't judge me, let the mods work, you're not one of them as far as I know so don't act like one. Stay on topic, also, if you don't have any numbers or facts that prove what you're saying then you don't even need to quote me, save your time and mine. ^_^

What a load of nonsense.

 

If anything, you are going against logic. LoveGame absolutely did not "ruin the hype" of the era. Starstruck had potential to be a bigger hit than LoveGame in the US only and based on numbers alone but that is still speculative and it would have never in a million years been bigger than Poker Face. Get a grip!

 

LoveGame definitely lowered the era's chart performance, and consequently its longevity, just check its sales, streams and daily streams, it presents the worst performance among the 4 official singles of the album, and that is a fact. There is nothing "speculative" when it comes to numbers.

^ omg

As much as you're free to say that you think Starstruck would have been bigger than Just Dance and as big as Poker Face, I have the same right to state what I believe could have been possible reasons why Gaga and Interscope passed on making it a single (assuming that it was ever a discussion for them). That's not "going against logic", it's theorising.

 

The nature of a thread like this is to be speculative, ponder what could have been - but it's all opinions. There is no fact in anything that we say when talking about album tracks we think could/should have been singles. Is it a fact that Starstruck did well as an album track in the US? Yes. Is it a fact that it therefore would have been a #1 single and apparently one of the biggest hits of her career? No!

But I'm going by logic, you're going against logic. What guarantees me Starstruck wouldn't have been a bigger hit than LoveGame when LoveGame only surpassed Starstruck's sales almost a month after its video was released? What assures me that Starstruck wouldn't turn out to be a bigger hit than Paparazzi when Starstruck had sold 3x more than Paparazzi at the time? Your intuition? I hold on to numbers and data, you hold on to your own theories that unfortunately lack logic and data!

Yawn

I just can’t deal with this silliness anymore, it’s mind-numbing! Well done on spoiling what was a good thread idea, Adelita. Your insistence that your own opinions and speculations are fact, while rudely criticising other people contributing their own opinions, is so unnecessary. Yawn indeed.

 

(For transparency, I edited this post)

I accept that Starstruck had potential in the US based on those fogures, but at the time there really was no hype for it. The hype was around "disco stick" and Paparazzi. I can see why they skipped it, due to Flo Rida's other collab being ubiquitous, but MAYBE it would have smashed, the two biggest artists combining in 2009 after being rivals all year, but maybe not! I understand why they skipped it. In hindsight, they probably should have released it as the third single in the USA, particularly as she was a new artist and a big name would be a safer bet, but it all worked out anyway. Seeing as she is now a legend, perhaps we can say that the debut was pretty much perfect? Who knows what would have happened with Starstruck and itts effects on her image?

I accept that Starstruck had potential in the US based on those fogures, but at the time there really was no hype for it. The hype was around "disco stick" and Paparazzi. I can see why they skipped it, due to Flo Rida's other collab being ubiquitous, but MAYBE it would have smashed, the two biggest artists combining in 2009 after being rivals all year, but maybe not! I understand why they skipped it. In hindsight, they probably should have released it as the third single in the USA, particularly as she was a new artist and a big name would be a safer bet, but it all worked out anyway. Seeing as she is now a legend, perhaps we can say that the debut was pretty much perfect? Who knows what would have happened with Starstruck and itts effects on her image?

Fan hype doesn't translate into sales, it's the general public that buys most of a mainstream artist's stuff, and the general public clearly chose Starstruck as the album's third single at the time since its sales were well ahead of sales of the other tracks on the album. I don't believe in "fan hype", I believe in numbers aka facts. If one thing LoveGame did was to lower the hype of the era, it performed the weakest of all the album's singles on every chart on the planet, being added to radio and TV blacklists. Starstruck was the safest choice for third single for a number of factors: highest sales among the album's tracks, Flo Rida was dropping hit after hit, the song being made sonically for US radio... Also, I don't know how on earth getting another big hit early in her career would hurt her image, zero correlation. :unsure: