March 3, 20241 yr Hopefully! Just watched some bits... Kylie was on autopilot in her medley, not sure if those "straight from the ESC" costume changes were good idea.
March 3, 20241 yr Yeah, and I actually haven’t denied that point. I just saying she deserved it regardless of that point and regardless of the fact that others may have deserved it too. I mean, you’d probably argue with me that Spice Girls deserved winning it just 3 years and 2 albums into their career before all those artists you’ve listed when really that was also a dubious award at the time. But they don’t get played down on this site the way Pink does so some other posters always target Pink’s success to play down first. And just to clarify, I’m not saying you play down Pink’s success, I’m just stating that many here do. If I was running the awards I would have a criteria in place that no artist can win the award until 25 years from the start of their career, so that their true contribution can be properly measured. With the benefit of hindsight the Spice Girls certainly warrant one for the impact they had but there was a definite whiff of cashing in on their popularity at the time. As for Pink she'd be about eligible now, she's a very successful, talented and enduring artist but realistically she's not even close to being the most important female singer of her generation. Her influence is only just starting to be clear with people like Cassyette and may well be more obvious in the future. Her time would come. Whereas, for example, Black Sabbath defined and invented an entire genre of music. Radiohead spawned a ton of bands in their wake. Kate Bush, The Rolling Stones, Joy Division, the list goes on. And as someone said if we're picking overseas acts - Presley, Abba, Kool Herc, Springsteen, Dylan, Prince, Madonna, Franklin, Kraftwerk, Grandmaster Flash and many more all have towering legacies to popular music that should be far ahead in the queue.
March 3, 20241 yr If I was running the awards I would have a criteria in place that no artist can win the award until 25 years from the start of their career, so that their true contribution can be properly measured. With the benefit of hindsight the Spice Girls certainly warrant one for the impact they had but there was a definite whiff of cashing in on their popularity at the time. As for Pink she'd be about eligible now, she's a very successful, talented and enduring artist but realistically she's not even close to being the most important female singer of her generation. Her influence is only just starting to be clear with people like Cassyette and may well be more obvious in the future. Her time would come. Whereas, for example, Black Sabbath defined and invented an entire genre of music. Radiohead spawned a ton of bands in their wake. Kate Bush, The Rolling Stones, Joy Division, the list goes on. And as someone said if we're picking overseas acts - Presley, Abba, Kool Herc, Springsteen, Dylan, Prince, Madonna, Franklin, Kraftwerk, Grandmaster Flash and many more all have towering legacies to popular music that should be far ahead in the queue. But again, I haven’t stated that she deserved the award more than anyone else, just that she did deserve it. Loads of artists have one it less than 25 years into their career and yet Pink is the one gets criticised time and again. It’s clear why the Brits make their decisions on these things and that it’s usually opportunistic for them as much as the artist. Pink was launching a new album and they wanted her to perform so she got the award. Kylie got hers last night instead of any other year she could have had it because she’s had somewhat of a revival this year. I’m pretty sure Blur had a new album in the works when they won it. U2 and Petshop Boys also had new material out when they won. The fact is there is no queue and anyone arguing that the award is given purely on some measured merit and nothing else is deluding themselves. There aren’t enough years to give out the award to absolutely everyone that deserves it so there is always going to be another motive behind the choice-usually, who will actually come and perform? Kate Bush is one of my favourite artists but she will never come and perform at the Brits to receive the award. I just tire of the playing down of Pink and her success as an artist. So many fit the bill of what people are complaining about but Pink is the one people go in on.
March 3, 20241 yr One thing that never really makes sense... How can Blur + Young Fathers both be nominated for Best Album, but Jungle beat them to Best Group? Surely Jungle should've had a Best Album nomination too then? :lol:
March 3, 20241 yr I just saw a red carpet interview with The Last Dinner Party from before the show where they were asked about St. Vincent presenting the award to them tonight - strange that it never happened in the end! Unless I missed it?
March 3, 20241 yr I just saw a red carpet interview with The Last Dinner Party from before the show where they were asked about St. Vincent presenting the award to them tonight - strange that it never happened in the end! Unless I missed it? Whoa St. Vincent and LDP were there?? But instead we got a performances by Tate McRae and Becky Hill, lmao
March 3, 20241 yr Author I only saw the first half of the red carpet show where Jack interviewed St Vincent but I had turned off before that finished so I can only assume it happened during that or at some point before the actual ceremony?
March 3, 20241 yr Whoa St. Vincent and LDP were there?? But instead we got a performances by Tate McRae and Becky Hill, lmao TLDP were briefly spoken to in the audience, but weren't handed their award by anyone on stage.
March 3, 20241 yr The fact is there is no queue and anyone arguing that the award is given purely on some measured merit and nothing else is deluding themselves. This is the point. It isn't awarded on merit but it should be, or else it's meaningless
March 3, 20241 yr Wonder if Rolling Stones declined? They released a highly successful and decent new album last year too.
March 3, 20241 yr This is the point. It isn't awarded on merit but it should be, or else it's meaningless But it is still awarded on merit regardless. Everyone to have received one has been deserving, it’s just that they also use opportunity to decide which of the deserving artists receive it when. The artists have still had long and distinguished careers even if it could be argued others are more deserving. We shouldn’t be trying to take anything away from them. The fact is if you’re going to argue the point, the whole of the Brit Awards is meaningless and always have been. They’ve rarely been that deep.
March 3, 20241 yr One thing that never really makes sense... How can Blur + Young Fathers both be nominated for Best Album, but Jungle beat them to Best Group? Surely Jungle should've had a Best Album nomination too then? :lol: Jungle's album wasn't as acclaimed as those two, and it wouldn't really look very diverse to have exactly the same nominees in album as male/female/group, they've done it once before and it looked really bad. Saying that though, no idea why they won, Young Fathers and Blur made far, far more critical impact, that felt really random, almost like a compensation for their music being used in trailers? :') I'm pleased for RAYE and it is nice to have a home-grown tale of success (and for someone that's not really a household name either), but it does feel less like a genuine moment and more the industry trying to have their cake and eat it, all these headlines and patting themselves on the back don't change that they initially rejected her and wouldn't have given her a second thought had she not had mainstream success. Can't say there's a lot that excites me here otherwise, all pretty predictable bar Casisdead, was really hoping Caroline Polachek would win something but no </3
March 3, 20241 yr I don’t get why they air it on Saturdays now, not that I’m certain it’d make a difference. I was out last night and the pubs and clubs were heaving and I really don’t think children and teenagers are that into the Brits these days.
March 3, 20241 yr I don’t get why they air it on Saturdays now, not that I’m certain it’d make a difference. I was out last night and the pubs and clubs were heaving and I really don’t think children and teenagers are that into the Brits these days. The most recent weekday show (2022) had just 2.7m overnight figures, so I agree that it probably wouldn't have helped much. Looking at its ratings history though, it's never really pulled in massive numbers - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Awards#Viewing_figures Interesting to see that it got to as low as 3.84m in 2014 though, before bouncing back up to 5.99 a year later. An Ant & Dec impact presumably.
March 3, 20241 yr Author I wouldn't say younger people aren't into the awards but there's certainly alternative methods of consuming the hype and results without watching the show live on TV. Social media was really busy last night discussing the results and all of the results were posted on various apps and YouTube too so it's easier to get the snippets instead of sitting through 2 and a half hours of TV. ITVX viewing figures are not included in the overnights so it may bump up slightly if people were streaming or catching up (like I did this morning).
March 3, 20241 yr Everyone to have received one has been deserving, This is where we fundamentally disagree, there are several recipients I wouldn't consider worthy of an 'outstanding contribution to music' award, but each to their own.
March 3, 20241 yr A few points, iirc the Spice Girls got the outstanding contribution to music award as someone pulled out who was going to get it (cant remember who it was). The Brits also used to have a rule where you had to perform part of a hit in the eligibilty period, hence the Spice Girls did Wannabe into WDYTYA in '97. Dua got the night off to a really flat start by singing a song most people don't care for or haven't heard much. Dance the night away would have got it off to a much better start. The silly really long catwalk stage design doesn't help anyone, it is too long. A normal stage with maybe a small catwalk or not at all with a proper pit of regular fans would bring more atmosphere. Also awards given out on the main stage too. The presenters going into the audience to annoy artists who clearly don't want to be involved in silly skits needs to stop too. It is painful. Don't nominate people in more than one category, Raye in R&B and pop makes no sense. Her speech for her R&B award she was saying how others fought for an R&B category to show it is worthy alone to then shove her in pop to to prop up another nomination was rubbish. There are plenty of pop artists to fill it. Kylie should have gotten her award after her performance. It was odd to have her get the award then have the presenters waffle for 3 minutes while she gets ready to perform. Have the global icon perform then someone walk on and hand them the award and let them thank everyone.
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