June 11, 20241 yr https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dd7m3zjxzo.amp Starmer is a FULL ON ESTABLISHMENT PLANT!! I knew it! The establishment want Starmer in and on a huge % to "repudiate" left wing ideas. The greaest manifetso in living histoey, fully costed, far better than Starmer's, is now being attacked by said establishment plant. By ridiculuing it from the plstform of leader, and tying it to the Tories, he's looking to fiscredit major elft wing change forever. It's a dumb attack line, very negative, ignores all of the people who voted for the 2017 and 2019 manifestos wanting the change that Labour is now apparently promising, and crucially ignores two key things that he's sure to get asked about 1) the manifestos were in fact actually costed, unlike certain Tory spending commitments and 2) Starmer is literally on record endorsing these manifestos in several videos. Even from an iron-faced strategy of 'crush the left and their ideas', something increasingly foolhardy with the centrist-to-far-right pipeline apparent in Europe right now, it's dumb.
June 11, 20241 yr I would love the Lib Dems to be making gains in the countryside off of their positive campaign and their quite nice manifesto, but I don't feel that it has moved the needle for them that much despite the lauded campaigning style - only politicos will really have noticed Ed Davey's stunts, as great as they are.
June 11, 20241 yr @ElectroBoy Yeah and I think Ed Davey comes across very well, especially when he talks about his son and his stance on the care system. Obviously we should take politicians with a grain of salt but I can't help but like him. :lol: On a different note, just been watching the news and some of the reasons the public give for voting (Reform) are tragic.
June 11, 20241 yr Here is the first draft of Sunak's speech to launch his manifesto, before his advisers got to work on it. "I stand before you now, in front of three slogans to tell you that a slogan is not a plan. I have a plan. I'm sticking to my plan because I have a plan, although nobody has seen it. Labour doesn't have a plan. We have costed Labour's plan, which they haven't got, and it will cost each household £2,000. We have a clear plan and we're sticking to our plan. Can I go home now?"
June 11, 20241 yr Here is the first draft of Sunak's speech to launch his manifesto, before his advisers got to work on it. "I stand before you now, in front of three slogans to tell you that a slogan is not a plan. I have a plan. I'm sticking to my plan because I have a plan, although nobody has seen it. Labour doesn't have a plan. We have costed Labour's plan, which they haven't got, and it will cost each household £2,000. We have a clear plan and we're sticking to our plan. Can I go home now?" His argument in a nutshell!
June 11, 20241 yr Good gain for the LD Still think the Tories will do better than expected… but then that probably wouldn’t be too hard atm :D
June 11, 20241 yr Author Good gain for the LD Still think the Tories will do better than expected… but then that probably wouldn’t be too hard atm :D I honestly think they're going to even worse than the polls are saying - between losing centre-right voters to Labour and the Lib Dems and losing hard-right voters to Reform there's very little space left for the Conservatives to actually occupy. I'm willing to eat my words but on election night but I reckon we'll see more Reform MPs elected than people think now and definitely more Lib Dems with far fewer Labour than being predicted.
June 11, 20241 yr The Tories have put an ad on social media asking whether people want to give Labour an overwhelming majority. Not only is that rather defeatist, they have compounded it by using one of the polls that shows then winning fewer seats than the Lib Dems. In other words, "If you want an effective opposition, vote Lib Dem" :rofl:
June 11, 20241 yr I think the current polls are representing Reform becoming a talking point (Nazi sympathising isn't the best publicity so I'm imagining this might start to slip) and the Lib Dems rather effective campaigning and (pretty great) manifesto. I imagine the two main parties will start to pull ahead again nearer the election, although Tories on less than 100 seats looks very realistic now.
June 11, 20241 yr I think the current polls are representing Reform becoming a talking point (Nazi sympathising isn't the best publicity so I'm imagining this might start to slip) and the Lib Dems rather effective campaigning and (pretty great) manifesto. I imagine the two main parties will start to pull ahead again nearer the election, although Tories on less than 100 seats looks very realistic now. Think it's more likely Labour lose their lead in the polls and it shorterns down. Clearly at the moment Reform are taking votes away, but they are riding a Farage based wave of ;ublicity and a lot of their policies are populist and popular, although they are all smoke and mirrors and have no susbtance behind them, but I can understand why people would vote for them.
June 11, 20241 yr Nope. Honna be a huge Lab majority. Tories are done and their votes have gone to Reform. It's why Starmer is attacking left eing manifestos; he knows the election is in the bag, and so, as an estanñishment plant, he is dealing as much damage as he can to the left
June 12, 20241 yr Nope. Honna be a huge Lab majority. Tories are done and their votes have gone to Reform. It's why Starmer is attacking left eing manifestos; he knows the election is in the bag, and so, as an estanñishment plant, he is dealing as much damage as he can to the left Not sure I really see it that way. Reform will eat votes from both sides as we get closer. Feel the far left don’t help themselves with some of their policies either with the Greens going straight for turning off middle earners and swing voters in their manifesto.
June 12, 20241 yr Not sure I really see it that way. Reform will eat votes from both sides as we get closer. Feel the far left don’t help themselves with some of their policies either with the Greens going straight for turning off middle earners and swing voters in their manifesto. There is no far left.. Greend are actually centre right...
June 12, 20241 yr NEW: The 7-way ITV debate line-up tomorrow 🔴 Labour: Angela Rayner 🔵 Tories: Penny Mordaunt 🟣 Reform: Nigel Farage 🟡 SNP: Stephen Flynn 🟠 Lib Dems: Daisy Cooper 🟢 Greens: Carla Denyer ⏺️ Plaid: Rhun ap Iorwerth Pretty sure they already did this
June 12, 20241 yr Media circles suggestsng The Sun will endorse Starmer in the next 10 days as Murdoch wants to back the winner
June 12, 20241 yr NEW: The 7-way ITV debate line-up tomorrow 🔴 Labour: Angela Rayner 🔵 Tories: Penny Mordaunt 🟣 Reform: Nigel Farage 🟡 SNP: Stephen Flynn 🟠 Lib Dems: Daisy Cooper 🟢 Greens: Carla Denyer ⏺️ Plaid: Rhun ap Iorwerth Pretty sure they already did this I heard yesterday Nigel stepped down from the debate due to the Hitler comments made by a Ref candidate? :unsure: It was on the tv so don’t have a source at hand lol. I thought the candidates would be different for the ITV one. C’mon Angela drag Penny and Nigel through the mud! :kink:
June 12, 20241 yr Author I heard yesterday Nigel stepped down from the debate due to the Hitler comments made by a Ref candidate? :unsure: It was on the tv so don’t have a source at hand lol. I thought the candidates would be different for the ITV one. C’mon Angela drag Penny and Nigel through the mud! :kink: He stepped down from his one on one BBC interview with Nick Robinson (some would argue because he knows he'd do badly in it). However is still doing the ITV debate.
June 12, 20241 yr I went without Sky TV as a child, says Sunak So did a lot of people, Rishi, including myself.
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