June 30, 20241 yr Now that was an exciting final 35 minutes! :o Not confident about the QF but at least they aren’t being lynched by the hooligans. :lol:
June 30, 20241 yr Completely disagree. We shat the bed in the 2021 final against Italy, all down to his tactics. There was no need for it to go to penalties. We were actually quite good post Euros and up to the World Cup. I just feel we're going to have to disagree on this one. You can talk about tournament football, which I agree with, but we were not in good coming in the tournament and we've got incredibly fortunate although the likes of Austria and Switzerland would probably disagree there. We've had about 10 shots on goal all tournament and it doesn't take a football genius to see what the problems are, but he continues with his incredibly brain dead style and the same personel. He's got to go. You do realise that vs Italy was the first final England have got to in like 65 years. Was it bad tactics to get there and bad tactics to get to the World Cup semi (the first in 28 years) before that? Or is he maybe doing some thing right? I mean just before Bellingham scored that unreal equaliser you were calling for him out for being awful….thats why your not the manger Roo :lol: Not saying it’s not ok to be critical but he deserves more respect from the armchair English fans!
June 30, 20241 yr You do realise that vs Italy was the first final England have got to in like 65 years. Was it bad tactics to get there and bad tactics to get to the World Cup semi (the first in 28 years) before that? Or is he maybe doing some thing right? I mean just before Bellingham scored that unreal equaliser you were calling for him out for being awful….thats why your not the manger Roo :lol: Not saying it’s not ok to be critical but he deserves more respect from the armchair English fans! You do realise Southgate had nothing to do with that Bellingham goal?
June 30, 20241 yr You do realise Southgate had nothing to do with that Bellingham goal? And yet it’s all his fault when they were losing!
June 30, 20241 yr Author You do realise that vs Italy was the first final England have got to in like 65 years. Was it bad tactics to get there and bad tactics to get to the World Cup semi (the first in 28 years) before that? Or is he maybe doing some thing right? I mean just before Bellingham scored that unreal equaliser you were calling for him out for being awful….thats why your not the manger Roo :lol: Not saying it’s not ok to be critical but he deserves more respect from the armchair English fans! But we still lost the final? Not really sure I get the point. We've never beaten a top team in an international match and have got incredibly fortunate with our draws. I'm grateful to Southgate, but you can be grateful to him and criticise him to the high heavens too. That Italy game was tragic. We scored early and proceeded to be defensive and conservative for the entire game. I get that play when there's 15-20 minutes to go, but he lost us that final, we were toothless. His tactics are terrible. Bellingham was awful, we had no width and no idea what we were doing with the ball. What else did Belligham do all game apart from get booked, mis place lasses, dive all over the place and not track back.. Southgate totally lucked out here today. He had no idea how to turn the game around
June 30, 20241 yr And yet it’s all his fault when they were losing! Because his tactics weren't working.
June 30, 20241 yr Steve, we were absolutely dreadful. If you’s played like that and won the next 3 games would you still be unhappy?
June 30, 20241 yr I guess it’s just me being Welsh but England fans just can’t win with me. I find it irritating when they moan about managers and players when they’re losing and irritating when they scream ‘IT’S COMING HOME’ when they luckily scraping through after playing pretty badly. Just seem so fickle.
June 30, 20241 yr Indeed, the thing that annoys me is the fact they think because they have decent players they have a god given right to win every game and play like a Pep Guardiola side!
June 30, 20241 yr Author If you’s played like that and won the next 3 games would you still be unhappy? Yes I would. Indeed, the thing that annoys me is the fact they think because they have decent players they have a god given right to win every game and play like a Pep Guardiola side! England should be beating Serbia, Slovenia and Slovakia. What's wrong with that? When you have the money, set up, players, facilities etc. that we have I don't think there's any arrogance in that. You'll find the same from Spain, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and France fans too. Nobody is saying we have to play like Pep Guardiola, but you say we have decent players but we can't even muster a shot on target until the 95th minuyte against Slovakia. So I don't quite know what point you're really making. We were terrible, have been terrible all tournament, should be playing better and should already be out.
June 30, 20241 yr They won 2-1! I'm missing the correlation between the two but that might just me being thick.
June 30, 20241 yr If you’s played like that and won the next 3 games would you still be unhappy? Wouldn’t make Southgate good would it? He has 4 wins out of 24 against top 10 ranked teams. Over 90 minutes this tournament England have scrapped past Serbia then drew against Slovenia, Slovakia and Denmark while having about 3 shots in target combined. The whole world can see what England needs to change except him. My Portuguese friend calls him terrorista, nobody can believe how bad England play with that talent. He belongs on a meditation retreat giving motivation speeches to privileged do-gooders who want to practice their natural therapeutic healing methods. I read that he wears a seatbelt on the toilet. There are a million coaches who could do a better job than him and right now there aren’t many who could do worse
June 30, 20241 yr 😅 so ok the conclusion here is that even if England won the tournament they are still crap, sounds like he can’t win!
June 30, 20241 yr Wouldn’t make Southgate good would it? He has 4 wins out of 24 against top 10 ranked teams. Over 90 minutes this tournament England have scrapped past Serbia then drew against Slovenia, Slovakia and Denmark while having about 3 shots in target combined. The whole world can see what England needs to change except him. My Portuguese friend calls him terrorista, nobody can believe how bad England play with that talent. He belongs on a meditation retreat giving motivation speeches to privileged do-gooders who want to practice their natural therapeutic healing methods. I read that he wears a seatbelt on the toilet. There are a million coaches who could do a better job than him and right now there aren’t many who could do worse He would have just won the first trophy for England in 60 years 😂
June 30, 20241 yr Author 😅 so ok the conclusion here is that even if England won the tournament they are still crap, sounds like he can’t win! Do you really think we're going to win? We're going to have to beat Germany or Spain and I can't see that unless there is a distinct change of approach, tactics and personnel. Now some of that may be forced on to him with Guehi's suspension and Trippier possibly being injured, so I could see it. The mood is just really different at the moment. There's no feel good or fun factor at the moment like the momentum in 2018, the home advantage of 2020/2021 and even 2022. We all think we're crap under Southgate.. because we are.
June 30, 20241 yr Do you really think we're going to win? We're going to have to beat Germany or Spain and I can't see that unless there is a distinct change of approach, tactics and personnel. Now some of that may be forced on to him with Guehi's suspension and Trippier possibly being injured, so I could see it. The mood is just really different at the moment. There's no feel good or fun factor at the moment like the momentum in 2018, the home advantage of 2020/2021 and even 2022. We all think we're crap under Southgate.. because we are. Maybe a victory in the next game will change the momentum who knows. But I think the point you made about not being happy if England won the tournament for me sums up England fans.
June 30, 20241 yr Author Maybe a victory in the next game will change the momentum who knows. But I think the point you made about not being happy if England won the tournament for me sums up England fans. We've been saying this after every game though. Maybe the game today will make Southgate see he needs to change it up. I think I'm different to most England fans. I like them and will always support them but I don't feel the same emotional connection as I do to club football. Most fans want to be entertained by football, only one team can win at the end of the day. There's no fun factor for me with England at the moment. Of course everyone would be happy if we won, but it would be through pure luck. We should be on the plane home right now, let's be honest. Football moves in cycle and personally, just feel this dull brand of playing like Portugal in 2016 & France in 2018 is not the current fad to win. Happy to be proved wrong though.
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