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  • paulgilb
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    There's also quite a few drivers who had multiple poles but didn't convert any of them to wins e.g.: Chris Amon - 5 pole positions but never won a race Keke Rosberg - 5 pole positions and 5 victories

  • Severin
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    It wouldn't be changing the cars just for one track. Hungary, Jeddha, Barcelona, Singapore, Miami, Suzuka, Imola all have problems delivering overtaking. You would improve the racing across the board.

  • Cody Piastri
    Cody Piastri

    Liam ahead of Max oh I know the haters are SEETHING

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His overall stats for this are just as bad. He has only converted 5 of his 27 poles to a win. Which give's him a percentage of 18.5%

Of those with multiple poles, only 4 drivers have a worse ratio -

Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 16.7% (1 in 6)

David Coulthard - 16.7% (2 in 12)

Ralf Schumacher - 16.7% (1 in 6)

Rene Arnoux - 11.1% (2 in 18)

In his defence, a good chunk of those poles were him pulling out exceptional laps in inferior cars that never stood a chance over a full race distance but it's becoming more and more of a stick to beat him with the longer the run continues.

Interesting stats there^ especially surprising considering DC & Ralf won 13 and 6 races respectively therefore almost all of their wins didn't come from pole.

As for the race, Norris pulling off a Leclerc Monza 2024 very successfully there. Definitely lucked into that strategy with his poor start but he made it work.

Had he not crashed into the back of Oscar in Canada and just sat behind him to finish P5 there he'd actually now be leading the standings by 1 point. Which is odd as from my perspective Oscar has comprehensively outperformed him for most of this season.

5 hours ago, Severin said:

His overall stats for this are just as bad. He has only converted 5 of his 27 poles to a win. Which give's him a percentage of 18.5%

Of those with multiple poles, only 4 drivers have a worse ratio -

Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 16.7% (1 in 6)

David Coulthard - 16.7% (2 in 12)

Ralf Schumacher - 16.7% (1 in 6)

Rene Arnoux - 11.1% (2 in 18)

There's also quite a few drivers who had multiple poles but didn't convert any of them to wins e.g.:

Chris Amon - 5 pole positions but never won a race
Keke Rosberg - 5 pole positions and 5 victories but never managed both in the same race
Teo Fabi - 3 pole positions but never led a lap

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Yes - Jean-Pierre Jarier and Stewart Lewis-Evans too, I believe

Edited by Severin

I knew the Teo Fabi one but that's a corker of a stat re Keke!

Another one I just remembered is Montoya scoring 7 poles in 2002 (including 5 in a row) but no wins, might be the worst conversion rate in a single season.

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Teo Fabi - 3 pole positions but never led a lap

Never knew that about Fabi, what an stat that is there @paulgilb, Thanks for those stats.

For interest the other end of the pole to win scale -

Oscar Piastri 75% (3 from 4)

Max Verstappen 75% (33 from 44)

Emerson Fittipaldi 66.67% (4 from 6)

Jody Scheckter 66.67% (2 from 3)

Alberto Ascari 64.29% (9 from 14)

Fernando Alonso 63.64% (14 from 22)

Jenson Button 62.5% (5 from 8)

Michael Schumacher 58.82% (40 from 68)

Lewis Hamilton 58.65% (61 from 104)

Alain Prost 54.55% (18 from 33)

Sebastian Vettel 54.39% (31 from 57)

Interestingly, Jim Clark is noticeably absent, despite his utter dominance. He doesn't feature in the top 10 as his percentage is 42.42% with only 14 wins from 33 poles.

However, since he never gets enough recognition these days it's worth noting that -

In 15 of those 33 races his car failed on him (usually whilst running at or near the front), causing a DNF.

In 1 race he spun out by himself.

In 2 races a mechanical failure caused him to go a lap down and had to fight his way back, finishing 3rd and 6th respectively.

In 1 race his engine lost power, allowing Surtees to pass him.

1962 - 6 poles. 2 wins from pole. 4 mechanical DNFs

1963 -7 poles. 4 wins from pole. 2 mechanical DNFs. Finished 2nd in Italy after his engine lost power while leading

1964 - 5 poles. 1 win from pole. 4 mechanical DNFs.

1965 - 6 poles. 4 wins from pole. 2 mechanical DNFs

1966 - 2 poles. No wins from pole. 1 DNF due to driver error. 1 mechanical DNF

1967 - 6 poles. 2 wins from pole. 2 mechanical DNFS. Finished 6th in Belgium following a 2 minute pit stop taken whilst 20 seconds ahead of the field. Finished 3rd in Italy 3rd due to running out of fuel whilst leading on last lap, despite having been a lap down due to puncture (often considered his greatest race)

1968 -1 pole. 1 wind from pole. Killed before the 2nd race

I know you can make excuses for a number of other high profile drivers and their stats but I can't think of another driver who was so comprehensively denied the level of success their talent deserved by unreliable cars.

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Alonso is now 1 qualifying session away from matching his career record of most consecutive main qualification sessions beating his team mate (26, career record 27).

It's the 3rd time in his career he has outqualified his team mate 26 (or more) consecutive race weekends.

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Bottas & Perez confirmed for Cadillac next season! Battle of the #2s 😅

And unsurprisingly Colapinto will be dropped at the end of season, actually shocked he's gonna be given that long.

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As expected, Bottas and Perez have been confirmed as drivers for Cadillac for next season.

Hard to argue with that lineup. Think Perez reputation has been enhanced in the last 6 months and some of his confidence will have been restored. Always feel a brand new team are better off with drivers with at least some experience, and not sure who they might have got that would be better. Ricciardo said he wouldn't go and I don't think he'd be any better anyway, Schumacher is often talked about returning but I've no idea why. KMag? Zhou? Get Yuki out of Red Bull perhaps? Not sure any would be an improvement.

Yes it's a very reasonable line-up as whilst both are past their primes they're largely safe pairs of hands with tons of experience. I keep see people wanting random American drivers to be shoehorned into the team but other than Colton Herta who might be decent I can't see any being better than Sargeant for example.

I thought it was already known that Perez was signed up?

The Spanish press is saying Palou for the Red Bull 2nd seat in 2026, amazed Tsunoda survived the summer, same as Colapinto

Bottas will finally serve that 5 place gird penalty in his first race for Cadillac

We just need Button to make a surprise dramatic return now so he can finally serve the penalty he picked up from Monaco 2017!

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