Ive noticed how little respect people have for anyone in society, when i was in year 7 i wouldnt dare swear and threaten a year 11

but now year 7's walk into my lessons swearing and making threats, be racist to teachers/pupils, give death threats, even climb out of windows

and hit pupils/teachers. I can't believe the human race has been become so nasty, so vile. These little kids are monsterous, its not just little kids

though, most kids my age are slags and drink loads of alcohol, many are on drugs and lots smoke. This is terrible, im only 15 but ive noticed

how immature and attrociously kids behave, i hate todays society, a lot of kids honestly need to be in prison by 12.

It's the way they've been brought up. The parents don't care.

It's not just kids, there are a lot of evil people of all ages.

It's the way they've been brought up. The parents don't care.

It's not just kids, there are a lot of evil people of all ages.

 

Can't fault a word you said there

Lack of discipline in the home, lack of morals taught by parents, parents palming off their kids onto child minders instead of giving the kids attention, families not doing things together as a family and not eating as a family instead giving the kid a PS2 and fast food to get him out of the way in the evenings are the main reasons for the decline in values IMHO

Lack of discipline in the home, lack of morals taught by parents, parents palming off their kids onto child minders instead of giving the kids attention, families not doing things together as a family and not eating as a family instead giving the kid a PS2 and fast food to get him out of the way in the evenings are the main reasons for the decline in values IMHO

 

Yes, I agree. Especially with the part about doing things together as a family.

Yes, I agree. Especially with the part about doing things together as a family.

 

Yeah the idea of us not having dinner together as a family in the evenings and sunday lunch together as a family was totally out of the question, it was non negotiable in my household my mum was very strict on that but my nephews who are 11 and 9 just get their food microwaved and put on a tray and they go off and play computer games, the complete opposite and I don't think that is a good thing at all, plus whenever money allowed we would go places as a family be it to a park or a beach or to London or to a sports centre or whatever but the main thing was there was togetherness as a family, in the unlikely event that I have kids I would strictly enforce eating as a family and doing things as a family :)

Yeah the idea of us not having dinner together as a family in the evenings and sunday lunch together as a family was totally out of the question, it was non negotiable in my household my mum was very strict on that but my nephews who are 11 and 9 just get their food microwaved and put on a tray and they go off and play computer games, the complete opposite and I don't think that is a good thing at all, plus whenever money allowed we would go places as a family be it to a park or a beach or to London or to a sports centre or whatever but the main thing was there was togetherness as a family, in the unlikely event that I have kids I would strictly enforce eating as a family and doing things as a family :)

 

For as far back as I can remember, I don't ever recall my dad eating at the same table as us, apart from christmas. He'd sit over the other side of the room.

 

We never really went anywhere as a family, my dad would always talk us out of going anywhere.

Edited March 15, 200718 yr by x-The_Royston_Poisoner-x

For as far back as I can remember, I don't ever recall my dad eating at the same table as us, apart from christmas. He'd sit over the other side of the room.

 

We never really went anywhere as a family, my dad would always talk us out of going anywhere.

 

Yeah sounds like things are a lot better and more settled at home without him there :)

Yeah sounds like things are a lot better and more settled at home without him there :)

 

They are. But we're not completely rid of him, as he pays for one of our mortgages and won't get all of his letters sent to his flat even though we keep telling him, so he still comes round quite alot.

Also when anything is broken, he's the first person my mum calls. :rolleyes:

They are. But we're not completely rid of him, as he pays for one of our mortgages and won't get all of his letters sent to his flat even though we keep telling him, so he still comes round quite alot.

Also when anything is broken, he's the first person my mum calls. :rolleyes:

 

eek yeah sounds like you still have to put up with him a fair bit then :( at least he is not round there 24/7/365 like before though :) that sounded a bad situation I can understand why you hate him

eek yeah sounds like you still have to put up with him a fair bit then :( at least he is not round there 24/7/365 like before though :) that sounded a bad situation I can understand why you hate him

 

Yeah it is better than before. It was like living with a stranger.

Yeah it is better than before. It was like living with a stranger.

 

Yeah sounded it, fingers crossed your mum will find someone else to contact when things go wrong and that the mail will be redirected at least those should cut down the contact

As such a flaming liberal, I always want to point to poverty, to a lack of education that leads women to have kids when they can't handle them, to the fact that mothers now have to work long hours to pay the cost of living... all leading to a viscious circle... kids born into poverty and dysfunctional or single-parent families and never having the opportunity to grow as a normal child, leading to them having kids and the process repeating.

 

BUT...

 

More and more I am starting to wonder if the collapse of ethics and morals among the youth in this country (and apparently the UK as well) is caused by something else. I'm starting to think maybe people are just become assholes and expecting more than they deserve and all of that. It's pathetic that a 22 year old (myself) or even a 15 year old (Conor) can look at a younger generation and shake my head. I mean yes, it happens with every generation but come ON, this is like a half generation and apparently the difference is huge. It makes me concerned for the future, honestly.

 

And Conor, do you get misspelled "Connor" all the time by people too? I'm Conner :)

I have to say I noticed similar when I was at school (*shudder* 5 years ago now :blink: )

 

When I was in Year 7, we were all pretty timid in general. A few troublemakers here and there, but you always get that in schools.

 

When we got to Year 11, and saw the new intake of Year 7, it was like a parallel universe. Gobby, backchatty, and all that jazz. Just general cockiness to everyone around school. I'd love to know what it's like now :lol: I'm due a visit to let staff know how I;ve done since leaving

Socio-economic factors are an important point - poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, social exclusion etc . . .

 

. . . but me being me I do also tend to lean towards emotional/psychological factors . . .

 

Society has it's benefits for those who can benefit from them, taxes etc go towards a framework that generally supports society members - schools, health, law enforcement, homes etc, things that make people feel safe enough in a society, and supported enough as an individual, to want to contribute constructively to it . . .

 

Now if an individual does not feel safe and supported in a society, they become disengaged from it. This can start early on from childhood experiences of families, and others. There are a lot of damaged people in this country, creating more damaged people, and the vicious circle goes on and on. . .

 

People can live in extreme conditions - very little food, poor housing, disease, little education, and still be productive, constructive members of their society because survival instinct tells them this is still the best way to be as safe and supported as possible in their circumstances.

 

When individuals feel none of the benefits, and feel emotionally/pyschologically unsafe on a deep level . . . they may have felt ignored, unheard, undervalued or experienced even worse from a young age, it is no wonder that they would want to 'attack' the society around them at large . . . anything from grafitti or dropping litter to being rude, socially antagonistic or aggressive or to the more extreme ends of violence or crime.

 

 

 

Well . . . that's my own theory any way!

i blame the pc brigade plus bad parenting. cant do this, cant do that... who cares?.. well is it any wonder that chavs are now hanging around in gangs intimidating people. they need discipline and a sense of basic right and wrong.

. . . and love :heart:

. . . and understanding :heart:

. . . and individual acceptance before any kind of 'social conformity'

How can any kind of penal measure have any real effect on someone if that individual is ALREADY disengaged from the source of that penal measure . . . whether it be their family, their wider social group or society in general???