Totally agree mate, Oasis, to me, just gave up trying when they were being fellated by the NME every five minutes....

 

did anyone read the guardian today in the guide on page 23 about how an album of Sgt Pepper covers is totally useless???

 

Well it says that the NME did this v same album project 20 years ago and

"while much of the nation was soiling itself with excitement to brilliant new De La Soul, Dinosaur Jr and Marshall Jefferson, the NME's LP proudly featured Wet Wet Wet, Hue and Cry and the Christians. Well perhaps Public Enemy were busy. But, hit and miss as the end result was, at least it was there idea. Twenty years later, another crack at exactly the same idea is to provide the backbone to a whole day's programming on Radio 2!!!"

 

so maybe the NME have always been really really mainstream??? :wacko:

 

 

Strange - I thought Razorlight were awful from the word go, but definitely moreso now that they've become a Radio 2 flagship band.

 

well if The Killers are supposed to be The Cars, Bruce Springsteen and Simple Minds so what band are Razorlight supposed to have ripped off? Boomtown Rats and who???? It was in a critic but ive forgot

 

 

 

I reckon the GD 'bandwagon' jumpers were in fact folks like me who heard the first cuts off "American Idiot" and thought "FUKKIN' HELL, they're finally doing proper Punk..." :lol:

 

I've just bought a new 'Best Pub Tunes' CD and have been listening a few mins ago to Motorhead, Faith No More and Sham 69. Listening to Sham 69 you think this was once called Punk but now with all the pop-punk and skate-punk-big-cheesers maybe that whole genre has to be re-branded now (esp when it goes good next to Babyshambles and the Libs tracks on the CD). Suppose all 1970s punk will have to be rebranded under Urchin Rock now as nobdy's using that term now :lol: :lol: :lol: (Pub Rock already has got its fansd it seems)

Shame everyone seems to love 'Wake Up When September Ends' and 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' though - two of the worst songs Green Day have ever done.

I don't mind BOBD but Wake Me Up... is c**p.

I don't mind BOBD but Wake Me Up... is c**p.

 

the man at the quiz plays the mash between 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' and Oasis every week and its ultra boring. think he needs a bit of Motorhead :lol: :lol:

Although what Green Day were doing on 'American Idiot,' had the punk ethic about it many could say that 'The Black Parade,' by MCR is a very similar album and not only because they used the same producer on it, however I'm glad that Green Day got the recognition they deserved with 'American Idiot.' :D

Although what Green Day were doing on 'American Idiot,' had the punk ethic

 

i've read that green day have been dubbed as prog-punk, isnt that an oxymoron or just defeating te purpose of the punk/alternative subculture of the 1970s????

 

then again suppose the Americans will try to comercialize almost anything with unique integrity :lol:

i've read that green day have been dubbed as prog-punk, isnt that an oxymoron or just defeating te purpose of the punk/alternative subculture of the 1970s????

 

then again suppose the Americans will try to comercialize almost anything with unique integrity :lol:

Tbh I think probably bands such as Fall Out Boy and MCR did start out planning to punk but because of how mainstream they've became it's backfired on them slightly which is a shame as I personally think 'The Black Parade,' as an album has some great elements of the punk sound in it but I'm not too bothered about how mainstream they've became because once again as I mentioned with Green Day they're getting the sucess they deserve now. :D

Tbh I think probably bands such as Fall Out Boy and MCR did start out planning to punk but because of how mainstream they've became it's backfired on them slightly which is a shame as I personally think 'The Black Parade,' as an album has some great elements of the punk sound in it but I'm not too bothered about how mainstream they've became because once again as I mentioned with Green Day they're getting the sucess they deserve now. :D

 

However the dividing line between alternative and mainstream is so, thats its easy to end up the other side as time and opinions and taste change and its possible to go from one side of the spectrum to ultaevilmainstream or end up punching pork in the name of avantguard experimentalism!!!.

 

Looking in my magazine the other day there is a big full page advert for loads of new Korova Records/Echo and The Bunnymen releases. One of them is a band called Dalek I love You. Havent a clue who they are but think that they've got something to do with Echo and the Bunnymen

 

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The band was formed in Liverpool in 1977 by Alan Gill (Vocals, Guitar) and David Balfe (Bass, Keyboards). The name came about as a result of a compromise between the two members: Balfe wanted to call the band Dalek (after the Doctor Who villains) and Gill wanted to call the band Darling, I Love You.

 

In 1978, Balfe left the group to join Big in Japan and later The Teardrop Explodes. The line-up fluctuated over the next few years and band members included: Kenny Peers, Chris Hughes, Dave Hughes, Martin Cooper and, for a brief time, Andy McCluskey (the latter three would later be bandmates in OMD).

 

Compass Kumpas CD ReleaseThe band was finally pared down to just Gill and Dave Hughes by the time they released their debut album Compass Kumpas in 1980 on the Phonogram label. Soon after the album's release, the band went on hiatus.

 

Gill proceeded to join Balfe in The Teardrop Explodes in July of 1980. Gill co-wrote their most successful single, Reward. His stay with the band was short-lived however, and by 1981 he reformed Dalek I Love You

 

Now one of the big guides of different indie record labels I've got is one about Factory Records (which is like one of the most important indie record labels ever, so importent that it got its history made into a film). Theres are loads of random acts like Durutti Column, Cabaret Voltaire (dont know who they are but there is a poster in Ferris Bueller's bedroom!!!), A Certain Ratio (????) and also FAC 6 - Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Electricity" (sleeve was designed by Peter Saville). So Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark were a alternative act, who at some point sold out and became pop before then making the ultimate evil act by inventing Atomic Kitten and Abi Clancy :lol: :lol:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/McCluskey.jpg

 

Big in Japan were a punk band that emerged from Liverpool, England in the late 1970s. They are better known for the later successes of their band members than for their own music. According to the Liverpool Echo, Big in Japan were "a supergroup with a difference - its members only became super after they left"[1]

 

History

Coming from the same Merseyside scene as Echo & the Bunnymen, The Teardrop Explodes, OMD and Dalek I Love You, Big in Japan formed in late 1977. They started off playing gigs around Liverpool, most notably at the seminal Eric's Club.[1] Their stage show was unique: lead singer Jayne Casey would perform with a lampshade over her shaved head, guitarist Bill Drummond played in a kilt and bassist Holly Johnson performed in a flamboyant manner which he would later take further in Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

 

Members

Budgie - later of The Slits and then Siouxsie & the Banshees

Ian Broudie - later of Original Mirrors, Care, The Lightning Seeds and a respected producer

Bill Drummond - later of Lori & the Chameleons, the Zoo record label, the JAMMS, and The KLF

Jayne Casey - later of Pink Military and Pink Industry and then leading light in the Liverpool club and arts scenes

Holly Johnson - later of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and solo artist

Kev Ward and Phil Allen - no further musical activity

David Balfe - later also of Lori & the Chameleons, and The Teardrop Explodes and the Food record label

 

from here the wiki tells us:

 

Food Records was a record label set up in 1984 by Andy Ross and David Balfe. Originally formed as an independent record label with distribution going through Rough Trade Distribution, Food licenced acts to the Polygram offshoot London and Warner's WEA Records, before becoming closely associated with the EMI group's Parlophone label. In 1988 EMI invested in the label, whilst in 1994 EMI gained complete control and folded it into Parlophone a few years later

 

Food, as a sub-label of EMI, was the record label of Britpop band Blur , Idlewild, Hilary Clinton's faves Jesus Jones, Dubstar, Octopus and Grass Show

 

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this is a bit like Mute Records (home of Depeche Mode) who is owned now by EMI.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Toasthawaiilogg.jpg

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Dubstar.jpg

 

this is Dubstar, an alternative act who sound quite pop to people who dont get 'it'.

 

 

this is the Frazier Chorus an indie-dance band who were on 4AD, another important indie label known for releasing records featuring pork chops being slapped by Scott Walker

 

 

last week the frazer chorus were mentioned in the guardian in the review for the Junior Boys who are a Canadian indie electronic group signed to Domino records:

 

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Now Domino Records is very very famous for having loads of number ones by these dudes

 

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while another indie record label with loads of number one hits was Creation which had loads of number ones by this lot:

 

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The Who!!!! :lol:, sorry i mean Oasis!!!!! Now Creation (partly funded by Sony/SonyBMG) was run and founded by Alan McGee and featured bands like

Technique (named after a New Order album!!!)

Primal Scream

The Jesus and Mary Chain

Super Furry Animals

Teenage Fanclub

The Boo Radleys

3 Colours Red

My Bloody Valentine

Ride

Swervedriver

Slowdive

The House of Love

Adorable

Fluke

Felt

Saint Etienne

The Telescopes

18 Wheeler

 

btw wiki states that Alan McGee "currently manages under Creation Management, The Charlatans, Mogwai, Dirty Pretty Things, King Biscuit Time/Black Affair, Norman Blake, a new Welsh band called The Peth and in recent times The Paddingtons" He also manages his wifes band:

 

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who are to be found in the pop section with Nickelback. so obv the Blur and Oasis britpop thread should follow those too and be moved there too, as well as the now mainstream sounds of Fall Out Boy and MCR. Even tho there are some great tracks on the recent Fall Out Boy and MCR albums I think they should not be discussed i the indie and alternatve section as american cultre for most of the time is not truely organic alternatve thing, more off-the-shelf where as other things that are seen to be mainstream are not.

 

 

 

 

 

Shame everyone seems to love 'Wake Up When September Ends' and 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' though - two of the worst songs Green Day have ever done.

 

I don't, best track for me is "Jesus of Suburbia".... "When September Ends" is just some fukkin' AOR/FM Rock ballad.... "Boulevard.." is listenable, I dont normally skip it....

BOBD is ok, even better live on Bullet In A Bible.

WMUWSE is one of the worst songs off the album I think.

"Thall shalt not stop liking a band just because they’ve become popular. "

 

It's a rubbish song but it makes some good points! ^_^

 

I agree with this. Sometimes it's a sign the public are finally getting sense more than the band is selling out etc.

 

 

Just because they are popular, you shouldn't start liking them, and what someone said about fans screaming is silly! It would be boring if there were no crazy fans jumping up and down in an audience.

Referring to HIM there maybe...? :lol: Yeah, I remember that when I went to their gig a couple of years back in Hammersmith, loads and loads of 14-year olds totally packing the place, most being absolutely terrified of support band Cathedral.... :lol: :lol:

 

How did you guess. lol.

Just because they are popular, you shouldn't start liking them, and what someone said about fans screaming is silly! It would be boring if there were no crazy fans jumping up and down in an audience.

 

Don't mind the jumping up and down I've done that myself in the moshpit, it's the whole kids screaming right down your ear, shouting 'We love you', oh my god I hate it.

Just because they are popular, you shouldn't start liking them, and what someone said about fans screaming is silly! It would be boring if there were no crazy fans jumping up and down in an audience.

 

Clare's right though, there really is nothing more irritating than some tw@t screaming in your ear, or, worse yet, drunkenly thinking that they could possibly be as good a singer as Tarja, Cristina or Sharon and start to sing along.. out of key, and very tone deaf..... <_< I'm sorry, I aint paid 20-odd quid to hear a bunch of drunk tw@ts "sing".....

Dalek I Love You don't have anything to do with Echo and the Bunnymen, other than that they all used to hang around the same places in Liverpool. Big in Japan / Teardrop Explodes / Pete Wylie / Bill Drummond / Pete Burns etc. were all about too.

 

For more info on the Liverpool new wave scene try Julian Cope's Head-On autobiog. Great read.

 

...and yeah, the radio 2 covers of Sgt Pepper is completely useless and still worse than the NME / Childline comp - see, the likes of Hue & Cry and Wet Wet Wet were on there in order to make cash for charity. I remember the girls at school hated it when TOTP played the Billy Bragg side of the single when it was number one.

 

Razorlight should soon join James Blunt in the rhyming slang dictionary.

Clare's right though, there really is nothing more irritating than some tw@t screaming in your ear, or, worse yet, drunkenly thinking that they could possibly be as good a singer as Tarja, Cristina or Sharon and start to sing along.. out of key, and very tone deaf..... <_< I'm sorry, I aint paid 20-odd quid to hear a bunch of drunk tw@ts "sing".....

Well if it's not in your ear then singing or rather shouting along while jumping up and down is what you do though, they're just enjoying the gig like they're there for! I can't sing but there wouldn't be much of me being there if I couldn't sing along :lol:

 

It's the 14 year olds who are for some reason suprised that people are pushing when there are hundreds of people in an inclosed area, people who turn up late and try to push to the front (come earlier then! <_< ) and w*nkers who are just there to cause c**p and not even watch the band that annoy me <_<

i agree with alot of Nicky's points in this thread. I'm happy for any of the bands or Artists i like to be successful.

 

Its when they change their musical direction in order to gain more album sales, more publicity etc.. thats the annoying factor

This topic is how i feel. Green Day now seem to have a load of 12 and under fans who think American Idiot is their first album. :rolleyes: And i don't even listen to their newer songs as they're played to death by the media. I get anoyed at how other bands i like like Sum 41 get little media coverage but then i realise i don't want let to turn out like Green Day or other acts who have slightly sold out.

This topic is how i feel. Green Day now seem to have a load of 12 and under fans who think American Idiot is their first album. :rolleyes: And i don't even listen to their newer songs as they're played to death by the media. I get anoyed at how other bands i like like Sum 41 get little media coverage but then i realise i don't want let to turn out like Green Day or other acts who have slightly sold out.

Well the thing with Green Day though is that they didn't really mean to suddenly have loads of 12 year old fans really.. it's not like they're THAT much different than they were, it's just the fact that all the kids who liked Busted have now moved on to the likes of them and Kaisers. With your point about people who think that certain bands albums with their big breakthrough song is their first album Green Day weren't the first as the same thing happenend with The Offspring when they went to #1.

Well the thing with Green Day though is that they didn't really mean to suddenly have loads of 12 year old fans really.. it's not like they're THAT much different than they were, it's just the fact that all the kids who liked Busted have now moved on to the likes of them and Kaisers. With your point about people who think that certain bands albums with their big breakthrough song is their first album Green Day weren't the first as the same thing happenend with The Offspring when they went to #1.

I understand what you mean, and i'd say American Idiot had some brilliant songs on it, when i first got the album 'Wake me up when september ends' was one of my favourite songs but then Tv/ Radio play it hundreds of times a day and now i have to skip it when it's on my Mp3. I guess its down to what people like but personally i get bored of a song after hearing it to often.