May 3, 200718 yr I can assure you the NHS is far, far healthier now than it was then. Still a long way from acceptable, but infinitely better than it was. Hmm, I dunno mate, I think it's in just as bad a state now as it was during Thatch tbh... Nu Labour has done nothing about the rampant bureaucracy, the seven tiers of admin and management soaking up the dosh that should be controlled by doctors and nurses for patient care, morale amongst NHS staff is at an all-time low (Paticia Hewitt has now been given several roastings at nurses conferences in recent years..), nurses are leaving the profession in droves forcing the NHS to draft in temps from sodding South East Asia ffs.... No, Lucy is actually right, B-Liar is talking out his arse...
May 3, 200718 yr craig..... thatcher is the most unpopular pm of recent times, she may have won elections but thats because the opposing vote was split... the facts are that more people voted against her then for her. Very true.... 37% of the vote is hardly a majority is it...? Only a third or so of the country (and that's just the ones who do actually vote) actually thinks your policies are correct.... It's not a ringing endorsement by any stretch of the imagination
May 3, 200718 yr Very true.... 37% of the vote is hardly a majority is it...? Only a third or so of the country (and that's just the ones who do actually vote) actually thinks your policies are correct.... It's not a ringing endorsement by any stretch of the imagination Same could be said for the current regime though, certainly in the last 2 elections B-Liar has received no more of the popular vote than that Going back to the NHS private medicine is a good thing as it takes people out of the NHS and reduces the number of people that need to rely on the NHS for treatment so that in theory should result in falling waiting lists as less people use the NHS but hospitals are a mess at the moment, I am going to need to have floating bone cleared out of my knee in the next few months and I am sure glad that I am having it done privately as I really am paranoid about the idea I could get MRSA if I went NHS
May 3, 200718 yr Same could be said for the current regime though, certainly in the last 2 elections B-Liar has received no more of the popular vote than that Going back to the NHS private medicine is a good thing as it takes people out of the NHS and reduces the number of people that need to rely on the NHS for treatment so that in theory should result in falling waiting lists as less people use the NHS but hospitals are a mess at the moment, I am going to need to have floating bone cleared out of my knee in the next few months and I am sure glad that I am having it done privately as I really am paranoid about the idea I could get MRSA if I went NHS The only reason MRSA is now a problem is because your wonderful fukkin' Tory Party buried its head in the sand in the early 90s and refused to see a potential hazard..... <_< Oh, and the small, minor detail of contracting out of Hospital cleaning sevices to the lowest fukkin' dodgy, corner-cutting bidders..... Yeah, great idea that one, because you can cut corners with hygeine in a sodding Hospital cant you.....? <_< As to your first point, you wont hear me defending the current regime mate.. When have I ever been a cheerleader for Tory B-Liar....?
May 3, 200718 yr oh my where to start replying!!! lol baytree.... the romans had the right idea... build a bloody great wall to keep you lot OUT! lol russ....... i agree, tory voters are fascists by default! well, thatcher voters anyway. and yes the health service IS in a better state then it was previously. craig..... thatcher is the most unpopular pm of recent times, she may have won elections but thats because the opposing vote was split... the facts are that more people voted against her then for her. Fascist eh ? :unsure: Well here goes, long read but hardly a fascist ! POLITICAL MANIFSESTO FOR THE FULL TRUTH PARTY Immigration 1) An end to all immigration unless the immigrant can show they have sufficient funds to support themselves financially in the UK before they arrive in Britain to live or are a professionally qualified person like a doctor or a lawyer. 2) Immediate deportation of any immigrant convicted of a criminal offence upon finishing their sentence 3) No immigrant entitled to state benefits until they have paid at least 3 years tax and national insurance Education 1) No top up fees for universities 2) Apprentiships bought in at 14 for those not academically gifted so they can learn a trade instead of do a further 2 years of study if they so wish 3) 2 hours of sport or physical exercise every day 4) School day extended from 8.30 to 5pm in line with employment working hours and in winter day from 7.30-4 5) Summer holiday cut from 6 weeks to 4 weeks 6) Business studies and economics and money management to become mandatory part of education along with IT/Computing 7) Increase in grammar schools 8) Schools allowed to generate revenue or supplies through commercial partnerships such as sponsorship of certain sections of the school and even naming rights 9) Reintroduction of corporal punishment 10) Radical reform of what courses can be studied at university with the abolition of a large number of insignificant subjects; currently there are a lot of c**p subjects that totally devalue the higher education and degree system 12) 11+ exams enforced 13) Reform of school meals to have only healthy food on school menus Agriculture/animals 1) Complete ban on hunting and hunting with dogs 2) A strictly controlled annual culling of a fixed number of foxes but carried out under controls 3) A complete ban on animals for cosmetic research with prosecution for breaches 4) A ban on hare coursing, c**k fighting, badger baiting and similar “sports” with prosecution of offenders 5) A complete ban on battery farming of hens and all other animals with prosecution of offenders 6) A complete ban on “fur farming” 7) Animals allowed be using for medical research but strictly controlling and supervising by ministry of agriculture officials 8) Domestic animal cruelty to be made a criminal offence with automatic prison sentences if convicted 9) Withdrawal from Europe’s Common Agricultural Policy Economy/Europe 1) Withdrawal from EU with the exception of EFTA 2) No Euro ever 3) Withdrawal from treaty of human rights with the UK bringing in its own human rights bill 4) Flat rate tax for all of 25% 5) Creation of more enterprise zones where government will help fund young entrepreneurs or those with limited funds to get businesses off the ground 6) Abolition of inheritance and capital gains tax 7) Abolition of child benefit except for the poorest families (means tested) 8) Replace unemployment benefit with a system of community work for all unemployed where they have to do manual labour or voluntary work in the community in return for state benefit 9) Increase in state pensions to £150 a week from current £90 10) Cost of a packet of cigarettes to rise 50p 11) Massive cuts in red tape and regulations for businesses 12) Free gas and electricity in winter months for pensioners 13) More rigorous checks on incapacity benefit with stronger penalties Health 1) Complete ban on smoking in public places 2) Increased grants to dentists to assist return to NHS dentistry 3) Increase in salary of nurses and doctors of 25% in order to encourage healthcare professionals to stay and more doctors and nurses to train 4) Massive reduction in the tiers of management in hospital healthcare trusts, currently there are 7 and no more than 2 are needed, savings from reducing management will help fund increased salaries for doctors and nurses 5) Sign up to Kyoto agreement on environmental emissions 6) Private health care mandatory for everyone earning over 50,000 a year 7) Abolition of care in the community on public safety grounds 8) Tattoo removal and cosmetic surgery except caused by a medical condition to be paid by the patient themselves 9) Prosecution of anyone making a fake 999 call 10) Drunk people who for instance need stomach pumps to pay for their own treatment 11) Abortion made illegal except in the cases of medical abnormality or rape Law and order and home affairs 1) Prisons radically reformed to ensure every prisoner does at least 12 hours work a day ideally hard labour 2) The construction of 20 more prisons over 5 years 3) Rule 42 abolished so that child killers etc no longer have segregation in prison from other prisoners 4)Prison life made much harsher with a much poorer standard of life and accommodation for prisoners but in line with the standards laid out in the Geneva Convention 5) Convicted murderers to be used for medical research and experiments 6) Death penalty introduced for importation of or dealing in Class A drugs such as cocaine or heroin 7) Immunity from prosecution for householders who kill an intruder 8) Legalisation of cannabis 9) Introduction of corporal punishment for young offenders and chavs who break the law, these corporal punishments to be carried out in a public place with public viewing 10) Abolition of parole, if someone is sentenced to 10 years then they serve 10 not 5 11) A fixed fine of £250 for dropping litter in the streets 12) Mandatory life sentence for downloading of child pornography 13) Castration of convicted rapists 14) Mandatory prison sentence for animal cruelty 15) Ban on sale of fireworks with only licenced displays permitted 16) Abolition of Sunday trading laws so all shops can open for how long they want 17) Withdrawal from EU charter on human rights with UK bringing in its own rights law 18) Abolition of Welsh, Scottish and London assembly’s 19) Renationalisation of railways 20) Large increase in policing with massive reductions in paperwork and administration to allow police more time out fighting crime 21) Union jack to be waved from every public building and annual festivities to celebrate St George’s day to increase national pride 22) BBC to be commercialised via sponsorship of programs but not adverts, this sponsorship should lead to the cutting and eventual abolition of the licence fee – so for example “Eastenders – sponsored by Samsung” with the Samsung logo shown on the title and credits screen and the placement of Samsung products in the show with Samsung paying a substantial sponsorship fee and BBC needing less money from taxpayers, this could be used for most TV programs on BBC Defence and Foreign Policy 1) Withdrawal from Iraq with a Muslim peacekeeping force replacing them 2) Abolition of space programs 3) Decomisioning and non replacement of all but a handful of short range and long range nuclear missiles 4) Increase in military ground forces 5) Reduction of ties with America while increasing ties with countries like Australia and New Zealand 6) The abolition of foreign aid with money diverted to sort UK problems 7) Withdrawal from NATO, British troops should not lay down their lives for country’s that are frankly not our problem, British troops should be used purely for protecting Britain and its shores Transport 1) Raise the tax on Chelsea Tractor’s to £1000 a year 2) Petrol tax to be cut to 33% from current 84% 3) £500 fine and 6 points on licence for anyone parking in a disabled bay without a permit 4) Automatic prison sentence and ban of 10 years for anyone convicted of drink driving 5) Anyone who kills while drink driving charged with murder 6) Abolition of speed cameras except in residential areas and around schools 7) Strict controls on young drivers with regards maximum engine capacity 8) Every driver in UK retakes their driving test every 10 years 9) Increase maximum speed on motorways to 100mph 10) Reform the driving test to include skidpan and night and wet weather driving and motorway driving before full licence issued Still a fascist ?? yeah right :lol: :unsure:
May 3, 200718 yr What would the following really achieve? :unsure: 4) School day extended...in winter day from 7.30-4 - most jobs tend to stay at 8:30-5 even in winter, and I can't imagine having to get up at 6 would really help education in the early lessons - most the class would be asleep! :lol: 5) Summer holiday cut from 6 weeks to 4 weeks - I don't really see the point of this tbh 12) 11+ exams enforced - Don't most secondary schools which are for gifted children have entrance exams anyway? 10) Cost of a packet of cigarettes to rise 50p - I doubt an extra 50p will really put smokers off ;) 11) Abortion made illegal except in the cases of medical abnormality or rape - Not one I don't see a point in, but perhaps making it mandatory for unwanted children (for other reasons) to be put up for adoption? 3) Rule 42 abolished so that child killers etc no longer have segregation in prison from other prisoners - 20 years later should they still have to face the risk of being murdered for something which was probably just a terrible mistake? That may have came out wrong but I think you should get the gist of what I mean :lol: 10) Abolition of parole, if someone is sentenced to 10 years then they serve 10 not 5 - With sentences over 5 years I think you are right, any sentences under 5 years should be eligible for parole IMO 11) A fixed fine of £250 for dropping litter in the streets - £50 isn't enough? :lol: We've already heard stories of how draconian some officers are on this law, I think increasing the fine might just make it worse. 21) Union Jack to be waved from every public building and annual festivities to celebrate St George’s day to increase national pride - Agree with second part, but the Union Jack would probably end up as a target of vandalism etc. 22) BBC to be commercialised via sponsorship of programs but not adverts, this sponsorship should lead to the cutting and eventual abolition of the licence fee – so for example “Eastenders – sponsored by Samsung” with the Samsung logo shown on the title and credits screen and the placement of Samsung products in the show with Samsung paying a substantial sponsorship fee and BBC needing less money from taxpayers, this could be used for most TV programs on BBC - Sounds good in principle, not a complaint on this one but would there be a guarantee that the news wouldn't be sponsored, hence leading to a bias in news reporting on the sponsor company for example? 6) The abolition of foreign aid with money diverted to sort UK problems - Even though most Third World debt is caused by our legacy? 8) Every driver in UK retakes their driving test every 10 years - Even with the increasingly harder driving test? Perhaps 15-20 years 9) Increase maximum speed on motorways to 100mph - Or just go Autobahn style and have no limit :lol:
May 3, 200718 yr What would the following really achieve? :unsure: Summer holidays are too long, school should be the gateway to the world of work and in work the most lucky get 5 weeks off a year, giving kids so much time off school makes them less prepared for the world of work, also going back to school holidays 90% of people are bored after 3 weeks and that can with certain types of schoolkid lead to petty crime, vandalism, bored kids congregating in shopping centres and their time would be better served studying surely than aimlessly hanging round shopping centres trying to kill boredom ;)
May 3, 200718 yr Summer holidays are too long, school should be the gateway to the world of work and in work the most lucky get 5 weeks off a year, giving kids so much time off school makes them less prepared for the world of work, also going back to school holidays 90% of people are bored after 3 weeks and that can with certain types of schoolkid lead to petty crime, vandalism, bored kids congregating in shopping centres and their time would be better served studying surely than aimlessly hanging round shopping centres trying to kill boredom ;) I suppose it works in that respect, but it would make them incredibly unruly with British climate if they had to stay at school during the hot humid temperatures in late July/early August ;) Plus, what would they do in the extra time? :unsure: The curriculum fits comfortably into a school year at my school and we have more holidays than normal so I dread to think what it's like in state schools :lol:
May 3, 200718 yr I dunno how to multi quote Tyron :blush: but will address them 1 by 1 ;) 4) School day extended...in winter day from 7.30-4 - most jobs tend to stay at 8:30-5 even in winter, and I can't imagine having to get up at 6 would really help education in the early lessons - most the class would be asleep! I think given my point about school being a gateway to work that kids should be at school for what would be the length of a working day 5) Summer holiday cut from 6 weeks to 4 weeks - I don't really see the point of this tbh explained in previous post ;) 12) 11+ exams enforced - Don't most secondary schools which are for gifted children have entrance exams anyway? 10) Cost of a packet of cigarettes to rise 50p - I doubt an extra 50p will really put smokers off extra revenue to pay for my increased pensions etc ^_^ 11) Abortion made illegal except in the cases of medical abnormality or rape - Not one I don't see a point in, but perhaps making it mandatory for unwanted children (for other reasons) to be put up for adoption?Agree fully there 3) Rule 42 abolished so that child killers etc no longer have segregation in prison from other prisoners - 20 years later should they still have to face the risk of being murdered for something which was probably just a terrible mistake? That may have came out wrong but I think you should get the gist of what I mean if you cant do the time dont do the crime ;) 10) Abolition of parole, if someone is sentenced to 10 years then they serve 10 not 5 - With sentences over 5 years I think you are right, any sentences under 5 years should be eligible for parole IMO yes it is aimed at long term sentences but I still think whatever sentence is handed down by a judge should be served in full 11) A fixed fine of £250 for dropping litter in the streets - £50 isn't enough? We've already heard stories of how draconian some officers are on this law, I think increasing the fine might just make it worse. Litter is a bug bear of mine, gives towns bad reputations and encourages rats and pigeons 21) Union Jack to be waved from every public building and annual festivities to celebrate St George’s day to increase national pride - Agree with second part, but the Union Jack would probably end up as a target of vandalism etc. possibly but it would help reclaim the flag from the BNP 22) BBC to be commercialised via sponsorship of programs but not adverts, this sponsorship should lead to the cutting and eventual abolition of the licence fee – so for example “Eastenders – sponsored by Samsung” with the Samsung logo shown on the title and credits screen and the placement of Samsung products in the show with Samsung paying a substantial sponsorship fee and BBC needing less money from taxpayers, this could be used for most TV programs on BBC - Sounds good in principle, not a complaint on this one but would there be a guarantee that the news wouldn't be sponsored, hence leading to a bias in news reporting on the sponsor company for example? Absolutely, news should and always would be 100% independent 6) The abolition of foreign aid with money diverted to sort UK problems - Even though most Third World debt is caused by our legacy? the money is just going into swiss bank accounts for the dictators, nothing against foreign aid but it is being wasted atm 8) Every driver in UK retakes their driving test every 10 years - Even with the increasingly harder driving test? Perhaps 15-20 years Drivers me included get sloppy very quickly, i am an excellent driver but I would probably not pass a test now, I think retesting should be a must to maintain standards on the road particularly among the elderly 9) Increase maximum speed on motorways to 100mph - Or just go Autobahn style and have no limit I dont think the average British driver could cope with unlimited speed tbh
May 3, 200718 yr I suppose it works in that respect, but it would make them incredibly unruly with British climate if they had to stay at school during the hot humid temperatures in late July/early August ;) Plus, what would they do in the extra time? :unsure: The curriculum fits comfortably into a school year at my school and we have more holidays than normal so I dread to think what it's like in state schools :lol: The extra time should be used on sport, team building exercises, extra classes like money management etc etc etc
May 3, 200718 yr The extra time should be used on sport, team building exercises, extra classes like money management etc etc etc Ah, OK, I see now ^_^
May 3, 200718 yr POLITICAL MANIFSESTO FOR THE FULL TRUTH PARTY Immigration 1) An end to all immigration unless the immigrant can show they have sufficient funds to support themselves financially in the UK before they arrive in Britain to live or are a professionally qualified person like a doctor or a lawyer. - Nonsense.. Plenty of extremely hard working immigrants dont have specific professional qualifications, but damn well make a considerable contribution to British society and to the economy... Dont agree at all, way too specific... 2) Immediate deportation of any immigrant convicted of a criminal offence upon finishing their sentence - Agree, but only in violent offences or drug trafficking 3) No immigrant entitled to state benefits until they have paid at least 3 years tax and national insurance - Agree Education 1) No top up fees for universities - Agree 2) Apprentiships bought in at 14 for those not academically gifted so they can learn a trade instead of do a further 2 years of study if they so wish - Agree 3) 2 hours of sport or physical exercise every day - Impractical, you cannot possibly expect already hard-pushed schools to be able to do this.. 4) School day extended from 8.30 to 5pm in line with employment working hours and in winter day from 7.30-4 - again, impractical.. 5) Summer holiday cut from 6 weeks to 4 weeks - Don't really see the point tbh 6) Business studies and economics and money management to become mandatory part of education along with IT/Computing - Agree, which is the reason why you'll never be able to squeeze in your two hours of sport/PE every day... :lol: 7) Increase in grammar schools - Agree 8) Schools allowed to generate revenue or supplies through commercial partnerships such as sponsorship of certain sections of the school and even naming rights - Totally disagree.. What, you seriously want to see "School Sports Day" sponsored by fukkin' McDonalds????? No way... 9) Reintroduction of corporal punishment - Agree 10) Radical reform of what courses can be studied at university with the abolition of a large number of insignificant subjects; currently there are a lot of c**p subjects that totally devalue the higher education and degree system - Disagree.. Who decides what's "worthy" and what isn't..? 12) 11+ exams enforced - Agree 13) Reform of school meals to have only healthy food on school menus - Agree Agriculture/animals 1) Complete ban on hunting and hunting with dogs - Agree 2) A strictly controlled annual culling of a fixed number of foxes but carried out under controls - Agree 3) A complete ban on animals for cosmetic research with prosecution for breaches - Agree 4) A ban on hare coursing, c**k fighting, badger baiting and similar “sports” with prosecution of offenders - Agree 5) A complete ban on battery farming of hens and all other animals with prosecution of offenders - Agree 6) A complete ban on “fur farming” - Agree 7) Animals allowed be using for medical research but strictly controlling and supervising by ministry of agriculture officials - Agree 8) Domestic animal cruelty to be made a criminal offence with automatic prison sentences if convicted - Agree 9) Withdrawal from Europe’s Common Agricultural Policy - Hmmm, I'm in two minds about this.... Yes, it sucks, but UK farmers do benefit from it also... Economy/Europe 1) Withdrawal from EU with the exception of EFTA - Disagree, we should be strengthening ties with EU 2) No Euro ever - Disagree.. Who cares whose face on the bloody notes or coins...? 3) Withdrawal from treaty of human rights with the UK bringing in its own human rights bill - Disagree 4) Flat rate tax for all of 25% - Totally disagree.. The rich should pay more, end of story... 5) Creation of more enterprise zones where government will help fund young entrepreneurs or those with limited funds to get businesses off the ground - Agree 6) Abolition of inheritance and capital gains tax - Disagree... This is not exactly money people are earning is it...? 7) Abolition of child benefit except for the poorest families (means tested) - Agree, it's pretty ludicrous that the likes of the Beckhams can claim child benefit... :lol: 8) Replace unemployment benefit with a system of community work for all unemployed where they have to do manual labour or voluntary work in the community in return for state benefit - Disagree, I dont go along with exploitation, if such jobs and positions exist, then they should damn well be advertised as such and people be paid a proper wage... 9) Increase in state pensions to £150 a week from current £90 - Agree 10) Cost of a packet of cigarettes to rise 50p - Agree, but will 50p really stop the hardcore smokers...? 11) Massive cuts in red tape and regulations for businesses - Disagree, then it'll become far too much of a "free for all"... Even Adam Smith wanted limitations on the excesses of commerce.. 12) Free gas and electricity in winter months for pensioners - Agree 13) More rigorous checks on incapacity benefit with stronger penalties - Somewhat agree, some people's incapacities aren't altogether obvious, especially when you're dealing with mental problems such as depression... Health 1) Complete ban on smoking in public places - Agree, except in cases of bars, clubs and Private Members clubs.. ;) 2) Increased grants to dentists to assist return to NHS dentistry - Agree 3) Increase in salary of nurses and doctors of 25% in order to encourage healthcare professionals to stay and more doctors and nurses to train - Agree 4) Massive reduction in the tiers of management in hospital healthcare trusts, currently there are 7 and no more than 2 are needed, savings from reducing management will help fund increased salaries for doctors and nurses - Agree 5) Sign up to Kyoto agreement on environmental emissions - Agree, but I thought we did already.... :unsure: 6) Private health care mandatory for everyone earning over 50,000 a year - Agree 7) Abolition of care in the community on public safety grounds - In its current form, yes, but it was only ever a problem because the Tories saw it a cheap option, when in actual fact, to do it properly would have costed more.... 8) Tattoo removal and cosmetic surgery except caused by a medical condition to be paid by the patient themselves - Agree 9) Prosecution of anyone making a fake 999 call - Agree 10) Drunk people who for instance need stomach pumps to pay for their own treatment - Agree 11) Abortion made illegal except in the cases of medical abnormality or rape - Disagree. The right to choose is just that, a right.... Law and order and home affairs 1) Prisons radically reformed to ensure every prisoner does at least 12 hours work a day ideally hard labour - Impractical, who's gonna actually supervise this...? 2) The construction of 20 more prisons over 5 years - Agree 3) Rule 42 abolished so that child killers etc no longer have segregation in prison from other prisoners - Are you joking??? Do you really want our prisons to be in a constant state of riot...?? 4)Prison life made much harsher with a much poorer standard of life and accommodation for prisoners but in line with the standards laid out in the Geneva Convention - Agree for the more hardened crims, but for folks in there for not paying a TV licence, council tax or fine, come on.... 5) Convicted murderers to be used for medical research and experiments - Disagree... Bordering on Nazism actually mate... 6) Death penalty introduced for importation of or dealing in Class A drugs such as cocaine or heroin - Disagree, the State has no right to take a life anymore than you or I.. 7) Immunity from prosecution for householders who kill an intruder - Disagree, this would mean that someone who procures an illegal weapon from a criminal source to "defend" his home will get away with it... 8) Legalisation of cannabis - Agree 9) Introduction of corporal punishment for young offenders and chavs who break the law, these corporal punishments to be carried out in a public place with public viewing - Agree, but the public viewing part doesn't really sit well with me... It's salacious... 10) Abolition of parole, if someone is sentenced to 10 years then they serve 10 not 5 - Disagree, no incentive to 'reform' then is there...? 11) A fixed fine of £250 for dropping litter in the streets - Hmmm, dunno about that.. 12) Mandatory life sentence for downloading of child pornography - define "Child pornography" though, in fact, define "pornography".... You'd better be very clear in what you're talking about here... 13) Castration of convicted rapists - Agree 14) Mandatory prison sentence for animal cruelty - Agree, you repeated yourself here though... 15) Ban on sale of fireworks with only licenced displays permitted - Agree 16) Abolition of Sunday trading laws so all shops can open for how long they want - Disagree... Commercialism is rampant enough, there should be one day of the week without it... 17) Withdrawal from EU charter on human rights with UK bringing in its own rights law 18) Abolition of Welsh, Scottish and London assembly’s - Disagree very strongly... These were voted in by a majority, you have no right to dictate to the Welsh or Scottish people.. 19) Renationalisation of railways - Agree 20) Large increase in policing with massive reductions in paperwork and administration to allow police more time out fighting crime - Disagree, neighbourhoods should be empowered to police themselves more... 21) Union jack to be waved from every public building and annual festivities to celebrate St George’s day to increase national pride - Disgree totally. What's "British" about St George anyway...? A Palestinian... Just another excuse for the English to get pissed up and act like chavs... No way... 22) BBC to be commercialised via sponsorship of programs but not adverts, this sponsorship should lead to the cutting and eventual abolition of the licence fee – so for example “Eastenders – sponsored by Samsung” with the Samsung logo shown on the title and credits screen and the placement of Samsung products in the show with Samsung paying a substantial sponsorship fee and BBC needing less money from taxpayers, this could be used for most TV programs on BBC - Totally disagree.. Defence and Foreign Policy 1) Withdrawal from Iraq with a Muslim peacekeeping force replacing them - Agree 2) Abolition of space programs - Disagree 3) Decomisioning and non replacement of all but a handful of short range and long range nuclear missiles - Agree 4) Increase in military ground forces - Agree 5) Reduction of ties with America while increasing ties with countries like Australia and New Zealand - Agree, but Australia/New Zealand...?? What's the point..? Increase ties with the rest of Europe... 6) The abolition of foreign aid with money diverted to sort UK problems - Disagree, UK/Europe is indirectly responsible for many of the Third World's problems.. 7) Withdrawal from NATO, British troops should not lay down their lives for country’s that are frankly not our problem, British troops should be used purely for protecting Britain and its shores - Agree Transport 1) Raise the tax on Chelsea Tractor’s to £1000 a year - Or ban them from our roads altogether.... <_< Totally agree.... I despise 4x4s and SUVs.... Only farmers, the armed forces or mountain rescue teams have any fukkin' legit reason to use them.... 2) Petrol tax to be cut to 33% from current 84% - Hmmm, cant say I care tbh.... 3) £500 fine and 6 points on licence for anyone parking in a disabled bay without a permit - Agree 4) Automatic prison sentence and ban of 10 years for anyone convicted of drink driving - Agree 5) Anyone who kills while drink driving charged with murder - Agree.. 6) Abolition of speed cameras except in residential areas and around schools - Disagree, again, I care not for whiny drivers who break the law and then moan and complain about being caught out... 7) Strict controls on young drivers with regards maximum engine capacity - Agree 8) Every driver in UK retakes their driving test every 10 years - Agree 9) Increase maximum speed on motorways to 100mph - Not sure on that one.... 10) Reform the driving test to include skidpan and night and wet weather driving and motorway driving before full licence issued - Agree
May 3, 200718 yr Fascist eh ? :unsure: Well here goes, long read but hardly a fascist ! POLITICAL MANIFSESTO FOR THE FULL TRUTH PARTY Immigration 1) An end to all immigration unless the immigrant can show they have sufficient funds to support themselves financially in the UK before they arrive in Britain to live or are a professionally qualified person like a doctor or a lawyer. 2) Immediate deportation of any immigrant convicted of a criminal offence upon finishing their sentence 3) No immigrant entitled to state benefits until they have paid at least 3 years tax and national insurance Education 1) No top up fees for universities 2) Apprentiships bought in at 14 for those not academically gifted so they can learn a trade instead of do a further 2 years of study if they so wish 3) 2 hours of sport or physical exercise every day 4) School day extended from 8.30 to 5pm in line with employment working hours and in winter day from 7.30-4 5) Summer holiday cut from 6 weeks to 4 weeks 6) Business studies and economics and money management to become mandatory part of education along with IT/Computing 7) Increase in grammar schools 8) Schools allowed to generate revenue or supplies through commercial partnerships such as sponsorship of certain sections of the school and even naming rights 9) Reintroduction of corporal punishment 10) Radical reform of what courses can be studied at university with the abolition of a large number of insignificant subjects; currently there are a lot of c**p subjects that totally devalue the higher education and degree system 12) 11+ exams enforced 13) Reform of school meals to have only healthy food on school menus Agriculture/animals 1) Complete ban on hunting and hunting with dogs 2) A strictly controlled annual culling of a fixed number of foxes but carried out under controls 3) A complete ban on animals for cosmetic research with prosecution for breaches 4) A ban on hare coursing, c**k fighting, badger baiting and similar “sports” with prosecution of offenders 5) A complete ban on battery farming of hens and all other animals with prosecution of offenders 6) A complete ban on “fur farming” 7) Animals allowed be using for medical research but strictly controlling and supervising by ministry of agriculture officials 8) Domestic animal cruelty to be made a criminal offence with automatic prison sentences if convicted 9) Withdrawal from Europe’s Common Agricultural Policy Economy/Europe 1) Withdrawal from EU with the exception of EFTA 2) No Euro ever 3) Withdrawal from treaty of human rights with the UK bringing in its own human rights bill 4) Flat rate tax for all of 25% 5) Creation of more enterprise zones where government will help fund young entrepreneurs or those with limited funds to get businesses off the ground 6) Abolition of inheritance and capital gains tax 7) Abolition of child benefit except for the poorest families (means tested) 8) Replace unemployment benefit with a system of community work for all unemployed where they have to do manual labour or voluntary work in the community in return for state benefit 9) Increase in state pensions to £150 a week from current £90 10) Cost of a packet of cigarettes to rise 50p 11) Massive cuts in red tape and regulations for businesses 12) Free gas and electricity in winter months for pensioners 13) More rigorous checks on incapacity benefit with stronger penalties Health 1) Complete ban on smoking in public places 2) Increased grants to dentists to assist return to NHS dentistry 3) Increase in salary of nurses and doctors of 25% in order to encourage healthcare professionals to stay and more doctors and nurses to train 4) Massive reduction in the tiers of management in hospital healthcare trusts, currently there are 7 and no more than 2 are needed, savings from reducing management will help fund increased salaries for doctors and nurses 5) Sign up to Kyoto agreement on environmental emissions 6) Private health care mandatory for everyone earning over 50,000 a year 7) Abolition of care in the community on public safety grounds 8) Tattoo removal and cosmetic surgery except caused by a medical condition to be paid by the patient themselves 9) Prosecution of anyone making a fake 999 call 10) Drunk people who for instance need stomach pumps to pay for their own treatment 11) Abortion made illegal except in the cases of medical abnormality or rape Law and order and home affairs 1) Prisons radically reformed to ensure every prisoner does at least 12 hours work a day ideally hard labour 2) The construction of 20 more prisons over 5 years 3) Rule 42 abolished so that child killers etc no longer have segregation in prison from other prisoners 4)Prison life made much harsher with a much poorer standard of life and accommodation for prisoners but in line with the standards laid out in the Geneva Convention 5) Convicted murderers to be used for medical research and experiments 6) Death penalty introduced for importation of or dealing in Class A drugs such as cocaine or heroin 7) Immunity from prosecution for householders who kill an intruder 8) Legalisation of cannabis 9) Introduction of corporal punishment for young offenders and chavs who break the law, these corporal punishments to be carried out in a public place with public viewing 10) Abolition of parole, if someone is sentenced to 10 years then they serve 10 not 5 11) A fixed fine of £250 for dropping litter in the streets 12) Mandatory life sentence for downloading of child pornography 13) Castration of convicted rapists 14) Mandatory prison sentence for animal cruelty 15) Ban on sale of fireworks with only licenced displays permitted 16) Abolition of Sunday trading laws so all shops can open for how long they want 17) Withdrawal from EU charter on human rights with UK bringing in its own rights law 18) Abolition of Welsh, Scottish and London assembly’s 19) Renationalisation of railways 20) Large increase in policing with massive reductions in paperwork and administration to allow police more time out fighting crime 21) Union jack to be waved from every public building and annual festivities to celebrate St George’s day to increase national pride 22) BBC to be commercialised via sponsorship of programs but not adverts, this sponsorship should lead to the cutting and eventual abolition of the licence fee – so for example “Eastenders – sponsored by Samsung” with the Samsung logo shown on the title and credits screen and the placement of Samsung products in the show with Samsung paying a substantial sponsorship fee and BBC needing less money from taxpayers, this could be used for most TV programs on BBC Defence and Foreign Policy 1) Withdrawal from Iraq with a Muslim peacekeeping force replacing them 2) Abolition of space programs 3) Decomisioning and non replacement of all but a handful of short range and long range nuclear missiles 4) Increase in military ground forces 5) Reduction of ties with America while increasing ties with countries like Australia and New Zealand 6) The abolition of foreign aid with money diverted to sort UK problems 7) Withdrawal from NATO, British troops should not lay down their lives for country’s that are frankly not our problem, British troops should be used purely for protecting Britain and its shores Transport 1) Raise the tax on Chelsea Tractor’s to £1000 a year 2) Petrol tax to be cut to 33% from current 84% 3) £500 fine and 6 points on licence for anyone parking in a disabled bay without a permit 4) Automatic prison sentence and ban of 10 years for anyone convicted of drink driving 5) Anyone who kills while drink driving charged with murder 6) Abolition of speed cameras except in residential areas and around schools 7) Strict controls on young drivers with regards maximum engine capacity 8) Every driver in UK retakes their driving test every 10 years 9) Increase maximum speed on motorways to 100mph 10) Reform the driving test to include skidpan and night and wet weather driving and motorway driving before full licence issued Still a fascist ?? yeah right :lol: :unsure: read what i put.... simply... a vote for thatcher was a vote for fascism. you voted for that b**ch therefore you were supporting a fascist with fascist policies, therfore you are a fascist by default. but hold on... no your not are you... SO WHY SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME? it dont add up... i think you are only saying your a tory to provoke debate..
May 3, 200718 yr Summer holidays are too long, school should be the gateway to the world of work and in work the most lucky get 5 weeks off a year, giving kids so much time off school makes them less prepared for the world of work, also going back to school holidays 90% of people are bored after 3 weeks and that can with certain types of schoolkid lead to petty crime, vandalism, bored kids congregating in shopping centres and their time would be better served studying surely than aimlessly hanging round shopping centres trying to kill boredom ;) theres never been any correlation between the length of school holidays and crime, vandalism etc as you suggest. thats an urban myth.
May 3, 200718 yr I agree with all the animal ones, but on the education section 2 hours sport a day is a bit too much I think. And your school times are too long. I know some people who have to get buses, leaving at 3-ish some don't get home till 5 as it is. Making it start at 7.30 is way too early aswell. You'd have to get up at about 6am (earlier if there's several needing to get ready) and even earlier if you have to travel a long way...
May 3, 200718 yr read what i put.... simply... a vote for thatcher was a vote for fascism. you voted for that b**ch therefore you were supporting a fascist with fascist policies, therfore you are a fascist by default. but hold on... no your not are you... SO WHY SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME? it dont add up... i think you are only saying your a tory to provoke debate.. I have always maintained that I am economically right wing I believe in capitalism and free enterprise and so on but I have also maintained that I am much more socially liberal but economically I have found the tories to be what is best for my wallet Edited May 3, 200718 yr by Vic Vega
May 3, 200718 yr but hold on... no your not are you... SO WHY SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME? it dont add up... i think you are only saying your a tory to provoke debate.. That was kinda my thought.... There's a lot in Craig's 'manifesto' that I can go along with....
May 3, 200718 yr I have always maintained that I am economically right wing I believe in capitalism and free enterprise and so on but I have also maintained that I am much more socially liberal but economically I have found the tories to be what is best for my wallet i dont, im better off under labour, brown in particular has been a good chancelor and certainly better then them tw@ts that thatcher had. a stable economy for a decade is a businessmans best friend. oh and some of those points in your manifesto are actually law.. hunting with dogs is banned, thanks to blair! :P. it is illegal to hare course, bait badgers etc and we did sign up to the kyoto agreement.
May 3, 200718 yr oh my where to start replying!!! lol baytree.... the romans had the right idea... build a bloody great wall to keep you lot OUT! lol Great idea. Rebuild it. That should be a big enough construction project for those thousands of English tradesmen who have supposedly had their jobs taken from them by migrant workers and immigrants.
May 3, 200718 yr Great idea. Rebuild it. That should be a big enough construction project for those thousands of English tradesmen who have supposedly had their jobs taken from them by migrant workers and immigrants. dont be silly, itll be them immigrants that re-build it! lol.
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