April 17, 200718 yr I wouldn't quite go to the lengths of saying the victims are innocent in all this yet - remember Columbine, the shooter could have very easily been somebody who had had their lives ruined by these people - indeed, some sources are saying the victims were targeted, rather than this just being a random attack. For all we know there could be a very powerful reason behind this :( well noone deserves to have their life ended like this :wacko: :blink:
April 17, 200718 yr I wouldn't quite go to the lengths of saying the victims are innocent in all this yet - remember Columbine, the shooter could have very easily been somebody who had had their lives ruined by these people - indeed, some sources are saying the victims were targeted, rather than this just being a random attack. For all we know there could be a very powerful reason behind this :( :manson: :manson: We have all had our lives f***ed up by someone at some point but that does not give us the right to kill them ! NO excuse whatsoever for what has happened here
April 17, 200718 yr :manson: :manson: We have all had our lives f***ed up by someone at some point but that does not give us the right to kill them ! NO excuse whatsoever for what has happened here I would say there was more of a reason for the Columbine thing than this (in Columbine case, the education system itself totally failed Harris and Klebold and it continues to fail and marginalise school students who are not the 'jock' types, so Columbine shouldn't really have come as a surprise to anyone...), here it's apparently just some random bloke going nuts cos his girlfriend dumped him.... Aaaaw, diddums.... <_< <_< What's more disturbing i reckon is the fact that this bloke shoots his girlfriend in a dorm room a couple of hours earlier, and the University just lets students go to classes with this guy running around somewhere on campus with a gun.... I mean, WTF?????!!!!! :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: We all talk about the US being this 'litigious' society, but in this case, I reckon a lawsuit will be more than justified.... This university is gonna get seriously financially fukked, and people might end up going to jail.... Good.. They obviously dont give a sh!t about the welfare of their students.... <_<
April 17, 200718 yr As someone brought up the Columbine massacre, I would recommend you watch this - a speech that Marilyn Manson made last year in which he addresses serious questions about the nature of violence in the US and the deep-rooted reasons for it... However you may feel about his music, I reckon he's hitting the nail on the head in many ways really.... He's addressing things which need to be interrogated, but aren't... Uh0WGhf2s3U
April 17, 200718 yr Virginia has some of the most hideously lax gun laws in America. How can they wonder how on earth this happened? WAKE UP! America has blood on its hands... and it needs to address its ridiculous gun laws NOW.
April 17, 200718 yr Virginia has some of the most hideously lax gun laws in America. How can they wonder how on earth this happened? WAKE UP! America has blood on its hands... and it needs to address its ridiculous gun laws NOW. Agreed, something clearly needs to be done about the gun laws... But I reckon it goes much deeper than that really.. Watch the Manson speech...
April 17, 200718 yr Thing is though, dont the Canadians have more or less the same right to bear arms as the Americans...? And doesn't every single adult in Switzerland also own a gun...? When was the last time you heard of a gun rampage in Canada or Switzerland (okay, there was one in Switzerland a year or so back, but it is a very rare occurence)...? I think that there is something which is just in the character of Americans to be honest, which predisposes them to violence of this nature. Most of the serial killers in the world seem to be Americans as well... That is because Canada and Switzerland don´t have 250 million people like USA... which means any type of event in these countries happen with less frequency. Plus, anything that happens in USA has more global media coverage.
April 17, 200718 yr I wouldn't quite go to the lengths of saying the victims are innocent in all this yet - remember Columbine, the shooter could have very easily been somebody who had had their lives ruined by these people - indeed, some sources are saying the victims were targeted, rather than this just being a random attack. For all we know there could be a very powerful reason behind this :( Like somebody made fun of him and he decided to shoot the person??? I think it´s impossible that when killing 31 people he could have targeted its victims, it was pretty much anyone he found on his way... Probably had a go with some of them but others he might not even know...
April 17, 200718 yr As someone brought up the Columbine massacre, I would recommend you watch this - a speech that Marilyn Manson made last year in which he addresses serious questions about the nature of violence in the US and the deep-rooted reasons for it... However you may feel about his music, I reckon he's hitting the nail on the head in many ways really.... He's addressing things which need to be interrogated, but aren't... Uh0WGhf2s3U You've also got his 'Bowling for Columbine' interview - INCREDIBLY intelligent man ^_^ H6Welsq8vZM
April 17, 200718 yr Whilst not trying to minimise what is obviously an awful tragedy the media clearly think an American life is more valuable than any other life, 76 people get blown up in Baghdad on Sunday and most papers devoted 8 pages to Prince William and the tragedy in Iraq that killed nearly treble the number that died in America got a couple of paragraphs of mention yet today page after page after page of media is devoted to 32 Americans who get shot, somehow that doesn't feel right that a far bigger tragedy in terms of numbers of dead is swept under the carpet by the media and the American incident gets round the clock coverage on all forms of media
April 17, 200718 yr Whilst not trying to minimise what is obviously an awful tragedy the media clearly think an American life is more valuable than any other life, 76 people get blown up in Baghdad on Sunday and most papers devoted 8 pages to Prince William and the tragedy in Iraq that killed nearly treble the number that died in America got a couple of paragraphs of mention yet today page after page after page of media is devoted to 32 Americans who get shot, somehow that doesn't feel right that a far bigger tragedy in terms of numbers of dead is swept under the carpet by the media and the American incident gets round the clock coverage on all forms of media I think the newspapers have realised that news of suicide bombings in Iraq isn't shocking anymore - we've become desensitised to it :(
April 17, 200718 yr Whilst not trying to minimise what is obviously an awful tragedy the media clearly think an American life is more valuable than any other life, 76 people get blown up in Baghdad on Sunday and most papers devoted 8 pages to Prince William and the tragedy in Iraq that killed nearly treble the number that died in America got a couple of paragraphs of mention yet today page after page after page of media is devoted to 32 Americans who get shot, somehow that doesn't feel right that a far bigger tragedy in terms of numbers of dead is swept under the carpet by the media and the American incident gets round the clock coverage on all forms of media well said. completely agree with you.
April 17, 200718 yr well said. completely agree with you. Thanks :) Yeah in the next 192 seconds another 32 African children will have starved to death, a life is a life to me an American life is and should be considered no more precious than an African one or a middle eastern one, what happened in America was sad but I think the media need to put it in perspective with other deaths globally of young people
April 17, 200718 yr This story has been so sad. I guess we can be thankful that the gun laws arent as loose as in the US. The state of the world is shocking, and its sad to say but its only gonna get worse.
April 17, 200718 yr Whilst not trying to minimise what is obviously an awful tragedy the media clearly think an American life is more valuable than any other life, 76 people get blown up in Baghdad on Sunday and most papers devoted 8 pages to Prince William and the tragedy in Iraq that killed nearly treble the number that died in America got a couple of paragraphs of mention yet today page after page after page of media is devoted to 32 Americans who get shot, somehow that doesn't feel right that a far bigger tragedy in terms of numbers of dead is swept under the carpet by the media and the American incident gets round the clock coverage on all forms of media The FULL truth mate... I somehow doubt that there was a similar amount of blanket coverage of the Dunblane massacre in the US....
April 17, 200718 yr That is because Canada and Switzerland don´t have 250 million people like USA... which means any type of event in these countries happen with less frequency. Plus, anything that happens in USA has more global media coverage. Okay, if you want to put it that way mate, the EU has a total population of somewhere around 500 million.... So, by your rationale there should be a gun massacre or spree-killing somewhere in the EU every other week just about.. Doesn't happen does it...?
April 18, 200718 yr Okay, if you want to put it that way mate, the EU has a total population of somewhere around 500 million.... So, by your rationale there should be a gun massacre or spree-killing somewhere in the EU every other week just about.. Doesn't happen does it...? and what percentage of them have guns and such lax laws?
April 18, 200718 yr and what percentage of them have guns and such lax laws? Well, there's just about the whole of Switzerland for a start.... And "Spree-Killing" doesn't necessarily only involve guns, you can do plenty of killing with other, equally deadly weapons such as bloody great hunting knives, crossbows, etc.... And it aint that difficult for someone to get their hands on an illegal firearm anyway.... A lot of the illegal firearms in Europe have been bought legally in US or on US-based websites... And there are plenty of cases of replica firearms being modified to shoot live ammunition.... Dunblane killer Thomas Hamilton had at least two illegal firearms in his possession... Spree-Killing simply does not happen to any great degree anywhere else in the world other than the US, it's a simple fact...
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