they are not true muslims or followers of islam, they are extremists, killing innocent people isn't allowed in their religion these suicide bombers/terrorists are using their religion to suit their motives, what they are doing is politically motivated. someone that does extreme actions like killing and abducting doesn't really truly follow their faith.

 

Yeah guess so perfecto I just think though that a religious person does not have higher moral values than a non religious person though

I just think though that a religious person does not have higher moral values than a non religious person though

 

Totally agree.. You can certainly have high ethical or moral standards without following a religion... The Humanists and Existentialists for example...

 

I would NEVER subject my kids to a Catholic education, or any religious-based education, dont care how supposedly 'good' the school is, there are always alternatives, always other good schools out there (and I am of the belief that local kids should go to their local schools regardless, and they should damn well WALK there as well... :lol: I dont believe in Parental Choice, because frankly, I dont think it actually really exists anyway, there have been a lot of these "lottery"-type things going on, so, really, where is the choice..?). It is a bit hypocritical of you as well mate :P , you either follow it or you dont and if you dont, then you shouldn't pretend...

 

 

Well the alternative was the very good Catholic school or two c**p schools so we wanted her in the best one. I know I was a hypocrite, going just so the priest would sign her church attendance form but so what? Hardly a crime and people do far worse. She's at a Catholic primary. Catholic schools ARE better, just look at the league tables.

Edited June 1, 200718 yr by coolchris

Yeah guess so perfecto I just think though that a religious person does not have higher moral values than a non religious person though

 

I was thinking about that the other day. Someone who is religious is a nice person so they get into heaven, whereas an atheist is a nice person because they think it's the right thing to do, not for any 'reward'.

I was thinking about that the other day. Someone who is religious is a nice person so they get into heaven, whereas an atheist is a nice person because they think it's the right thing to do, not for any 'reward'.

 

Spot on :)

 

I do not believe in heaven and all that as far as I am concerned when you did you die but I still have my morals and a code by which I live my life etc and don't need religion to have that :)

Spot on :)

 

I do not believe in heaven and all that as far as I am concerned when you did you die but I still have my morals and a code by which I live my life etc and don't need religion to have that :)

 

Same here, if anything we have higher morals than Christians etc.

We don't need the promise of getting into heaven as a reason to be good people.

I was thinking about that the other day. Someone who is religious is a nice person so they get into heaven, whereas an atheist is a nice person because they think it's the right thing to do, not for any 'reward'.

 

 

but who is to say that "God" agrees with these religions.

if He exists - I am sure he must weep at the things done and said in His name

 

oh and if He does exist he needs a good slap for some of the things he allows to occur!!!!

 

How many prayers must have been said for Madeline??? He must be going deaf in his old age :rolleyes:

 

 

 

but back to topic -

 

thinking about it the inclusion of the Pope may have been a good idea - many 'lasped' Catholics still feels some loyalty....

 

 

...and maybe a disturbed mind could be reached by the thought of the Pope. But that is only if the "abductor" is Cathloic / Portugese / following the media.....

Same here, if anything we have higher morals than Christians etc.

We don't need the promise of getting into heaven as a reason to be good people.

 

Yeah you are non religious but always come across as a decent honest person with good moral values and you are doing it for the right reasons i.e consideration for other people etc as opposed to some so called reward when you die that more than likely does not exist

Well the alternative was the very good Catholic school or two c**p schools so we wanted her in the best one. I know I was a hypocrite, going just so the priest would sign her church attendance form but so what? Hardly a crime and people do far worse. She's at a Catholic primary. Catholic schools ARE better, just look at the league tables.

 

League Table, the biggest load of bullsh"t any Govt came up with tbh.... Like you can really assess what a school actually does and how it serves the community by this sort of pretty esoteric point-scoring... And then to base how much funding a school gets on this flawed data is just ludicrous....Why are those "c**p" schools "c**p" Chris...? Could it be because they aint getting the funding the "good" schools do...? Could it be they are failing because too many parents of the 'smarter' kids are giving it a wide berth...? To illustrate a point, the secondary school I went to was perfectly adequate, a good standard of education, did a lot of good for the local community as well.. I never felt like I was being short-changed. I left in 1990, when it had a good reputation. Now, all of a sudden in the past decade or so, it's been failing and its rep has gone down the toilet, and as a result, parents are deserting it in droves, which leads to it sliding further down the ladder, as for staff morale, forget it... All because of "League Tables"..... And this insanity of more parents chasing fewer and fewer places is just completely idiotic...

 

The system is flawed, Failing schools should receive MORE funding, not less, so they dont get even worse.... In fact, do away with the whole idea of League Tables and give all State schools equal funding....

im getting these chain mails on MSN:

 

a young girls body has been found in portugal. potugese authorites fear it is maddy mccains body as it fits her description. her family are flying to portugal from rome (where t met the pope) to identify the body. fingers crossed its not hers. send this to 10 contacts to show ur respects, do it now

 

i think its fake. unless anyone knows anything about it. i said that i dont do chain

What sick chain mail :mellow: And the bit where it says "Fingers crossed its not hers" well who's do they want it to be then? I'm sorry but if that is fake, then whoever starts them things disgust me <_<

Utterly ridiculous and sick although can't help feeling that one day it won't be a hoax, am not expecting a happy outcome over this

I was thinking about that the other day. Someone who is religious is a nice person so they get into heaven, whereas an atheist is a nice person because they think it's the right thing to do, not for any 'reward'.

 

 

oh well put!.... thats an interesting angle on it... so religious people are 'good' for a reward and non religious people are 'good' out of reasoned thought considering it to be the right thing to do...!!

 

so... whos the real 'good' person then! lol..

What sick chain mail :mellow: And the bit where it says "Fingers crossed its not hers" well who's do they want it to be then? I'm sorry but if that is fake, then whoever starts them things disgust me <_<

 

Me too, it's like they're saying 'oh it doesn't matter if some other parent is traumatised by the loss of a child just so long as it isn't the McCann's'..... This person needs some kind of psychiatric help if you ask me.... <_<

 

I dont think its fair to blame the parents here.

the person that took her is to blame.

there is no way a parent can say they have never left a child somewhere.

even if its to pay at a check out, and they turn their back for a few seconds - there is time for their child to be taken.

alright that is not the same as leaving your children to go out or whatever happened.

But, parents should be able to leave their children and know that they are safe.

the disgusting thing is that they cannot.

and the yellow things, alright they dont achieve anything, but neither does sitting around and talking about how Maddie was taken. - the yellow bands show respect.

I dont see how it is fair to B**tch about the parents, they have just lost their child.

I dont think its fair to blame the parents here.

the person that took her is to blame.

there is no way a parent can say they have never left a child somewhere.

even if its to pay at a check out, and they turn their back for a few seconds - there is time for their child to be taken.

alright that is not the same as leaving your children to go out or whatever happened.

But, parents should be able to leave their children and know that they are safe.

the disgusting thing is that they cannot.

and the yellow things, alright they dont achieve anything, but neither does sitting around and talking about how Maddie was taken. - the yellow bands show respect.

I dont see how it is fair to B**tch about the parents, they have just lost their child.

A parent's duty is to do all they can to protect their child... They clearly did not do this... We aint talking about someone "turning their backs for a few seconds" here, we're talking about the incredible stupidity of leaving their kids in an unprotected, unlocked room while they went out and had a nice candle-lit dinner for themselves..... If someone WAS watching their routine, well, the parents made it bloody easy for them by the very act of leaving them on their own for a prolonged period of time... A paedophile must've thought it was his fukkin' birthday or summat... <_< I think it is fair to criticise them, they indirectly caused it to happen by their stupidity.....

 

the parents made a big mistake by leaving their 3 young children sleeping alone, remember this wasn't their home, they are in a foreign country and to leave children by themselves isn't recommended cause what if the child or children wake up and start crying cause they are not familar with the surrounding and get scared wanting their parents? where are the parents now? this is what could have happened madeline could have woken up and attracted someone's attention and they abducted her.

 

you have to be extra careful on holiday and the parents weren't. this isn't about taking sides we all want her found but we hope the parents and all parents have learned something about safety and how to behave when they take children abroad

Yeah guess so perfecto I just think though that a religious person does not have higher moral values than a non religious person though

 

i agree but there is nothing wrong with a religious person who is good and has humanity just like there is nothing wrong with a non religious person that is good and has humanity. goodness can be found and taught in many places not just in people that follow a certain religion. but if there is one rule to rule all the others, a rule to guide any human being on this planet on how to live and regulate their behaviour in order to become a good person it is "to treat people the way you want to be treated"

the parents made a big mistake by leaving their 3 young children sleeping alone, remember this wasn't their home, they are in a foreign country and to leave children by themselves isn't recommended cause what if the child or children wake up and start crying cause they are not familar with the surrounding and get scared wanting their parents? where are the parents now? this is what could have happened madeline could have woken up and attracted someone's attention and they abducted her.

 

you have to be extra careful on holiday and the parents weren't. this isn't about taking sides we all want her found but we hope the parents and all parents have learned something about safety and how to behave when they take children abroad

 

Perfecto, I do agree with you, but, let's face facts though, if this had been some single mum on a Chav estate, first off, she'd have the social services around to take the other kids into care, and then quite probably find herself on the receiving end of a Child Neglect charge.... It seems that if you're a well-to-do middle-class Doctor, then your parenting skills cannot be called into question in some peoples' eyes.... <_<

 

These people jet off around Europe doing their "fact finding" tours or whatever, having tea and biscuits with the Pope in the Vatican.... And, erm, what about their other kids....? Sorry, but there is something seriously wrong with these two....

 

Anyone still think she'll be found safe and well then?