Posted July 22, 200719 yr Just when they all admit they smoked it? Do as I say not as I do then? How can they expect the young take any notice of them? This week honesty and dope had a rare rendezvous. Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, and Tony McNulty, responsible for the police. Alistair Darling, Ruth Kelly and Hazel Blears. They have smoked dope (no surprise, they’re normal people), they have admitted it (some surprise, they’re politicians) and they have learnt their lesson. But what lesson would that be?
July 22, 200719 yr LMFAO at the way the media have treated this. Better out in the open that waiting to be revealed by old college friends in a tabloid tell-all. So what if they did it? Loads of people do and even more did back then, its hardly a shock.
July 22, 200719 yr my view is that if more people smoked a spliff and avoided alcohol on a weekend, towns would be safe again for ordinary folk to walk around. To have as damaging a drug as alcohol freely available (24 hours a day), yet to be all draconian on something like weed is bizarre. Mental health issues? Oh please.... I suggest the buffoons touting this nonsense around go live with an alcoholic parent for a month as hundreds of thousands of kids have to - maybe then they'd understand alcohol is 100% more harmful to our mental health than a medicinal herb.
July 22, 200719 yr The best way to deal with the drugs problem is to legalise ALL drugs, licence the whole drugs industry so that drugs are taken out of the dealers and gangsters and legally regulated be it cannabis, cocaine, heroin or whatever
July 22, 200719 yr no i dont think they are hypocrites if they took canabis in the past. its the past not the current.
July 23, 200719 yr no i dont think they are hypocrites if they took canabis in the past. its the past not the current. Speaks to credibility though Rob.... And the facts are that if this were a Tory Govt doing this you'd be utterly livid and shouting "fukkin' hypocrites" at every opportunity..... Yes, the Govt ARE a bunch of two-faced hypocrites for doing this IMO....
July 23, 200719 yr I don't see how the government ministers are hypocrites though A Home Secretary smoking cannabis in their teens is no less qualified to do their job than a transport minister getting 3 points for speeding 30 years ago, just because they are done for speeding 30 years ago does not mean they are not competent to pass legislation on transport issues
July 23, 200719 yr ^Exactly. Much better for the government that these ministers have come out and said it than trying to keep it on the low only for it to spill out in the press one day or something, at which point they would look like liars and probably have to leave their respective posts within the government. It's hardly so terrible - they did it, everybody tried it back then.
July 23, 200719 yr Speaks to credibility though Rob.... And the facts are that if this were a Tory Govt doing this you'd be utterly livid and shouting "fukkin' hypocrites" at every opportunity..... Yes, the Govt ARE a bunch of two-faced hypocrites for doing this IMO.... no i wouldnt, several tory mp's including widdecombe has admitted using drugs, canabis, in their youth. i dont think that any minister can be blamed today for what they did as a student in the 60's or 70's.... however they would be hypocrites if they are still using drugs.
July 23, 200719 yr Not at all, I think it's brilliant that they've been so honest in saying publicly that they took the drug when they were younger and yet people like David Cameron just don't even comment about it (ever so slightly suspicious) It's good that someone in charge of this kind of thing has had experience of it in the past.
July 24, 200719 yr no i wouldnt, several tory mp's including widdecombe has admitted using drugs, canabis, in their youth. i dont think that any minister can be blamed today for what they did as a student in the 60's or 70's.... however they would be hypocrites if they are still using drugs. Who's to say they're not though...? How many MPs have been caught out in "Cocaine and Sex Party" scandals in the past....? :lol: :lol: Sorry mate, but it seems to me that they're being two faced about it - "Oh, well, it was okay for US to experiment with drugs in our youth, but we're gonna come down like a ton of bricks on today's young generation".... THAT is hypocrisy IMO..... And considering their positions now, their "youthful experiments" hardly did them any lasting damage did it....? Ergo, proof that there is absolutely no justification even for re-classifying Cannabis, in fact I would say the opposite, time to legalise it......
July 24, 200719 yr Who's to say they're not though...? How many MPs have been caught out in "Cocaine and Sex Party" scandals in the past....? :lol: :lol: Sorry mate, but it seems to me that they're being two faced about it - "Oh, well, it was okay for US to experiment with drugs in our youth, but we're gonna come down like a ton of bricks on today's young generation".... THAT is hypocrisy IMO..... And considering their positions now, their "youthful experiments" hardly did them any lasting damage did it....? Ergo, proof that there is absolutely no justification even for re-classifying Cannabis, in fact I would say the opposite, time to legalise it...... actually, as you put it like that i guess that yes they are hypocrites... from that angle. but does that mean that anyone who took drugs, got drunk, got in debt, shagged around etc etc etc cant become a minister and govern our land?... looking at it like this then just who can be a mp?...
July 24, 200719 yr Author but does that mean that anyone who took drugs, got drunk, got in debt, shagged around etc etc etc cant become a minister and govern our land?... looking at it like this then just who can be a mp?... Looking at some of the mp's we have had in the last 30 or so years these seem to be perfect qualifications :lol:
July 25, 200719 yr actually, as you put it like that i guess that yes they are hypocrites... from that angle. but does that mean that anyone who took drugs, got drunk, got in debt, shagged around etc etc etc cant become a minister and govern our land?... looking at it like this then just who can be a mp?... They can be an MP, but I dont belive that they have a right to go around and dictate to the rest of us how we should live our lives..... These people smoked Cannabis, now they're getting all bloody self-righteous about it, sorry mate, it's not on... You were the first to slag off the Tories when they were going around doing their whole self-righteous, moralistic "Back To Basics" bullsh!t back in the day, attempting to dictate morals to the rest of us when they were probably the most amoral people in the sodding country.... So, as far as I'm concerned, this is just more of the same - if most of these MPs who are wanting Cannabis to be re-classified as Class B had been busted using it now, then I reckon NONE of them would have been voted into Office if it got out in the press... Using a drug that's classified as Class B is a lot more of a big deal than a Class C... Bottom line - there is no jusitification for re-classification.....
July 25, 200719 yr They can be an MP, but I dont belive that they have a right to go around and dictate to the rest of us how we should live our lives..... These people smoked Cannabis, now they're getting all bloody self-righteous about it, sorry mate, it's not on... You were the first to slag off the Tories when they were going around doing their whole self-righteous, moralistic "Back To Basics" bullsh!t back in the day, attempting to dictate morals to the rest of us when they were probably the most amoral people in the sodding country.... So, as far as I'm concerned, this is just more of the same - if most of these MPs who are wanting Cannabis to be re-classified as Class B had been busted using it now, then I reckon NONE of them would have been voted into Office if it got out in the press... Using a drug that's classified as Class B is a lot more of a big deal than a Class C... Bottom line - there is no jusitification for re-classification..... Times have changed Scott These MP's were doing it 30 years ago when it was the thing to do, it was the era of flower power and peace and love and Woodstock and so on, times have changed since then and society has changed so what happened 30 years ago or more is of no relevance now I am not bothered what MP's did 30 years ago all I am bothered about is what MP's are doing now It would be an issue to me if Jacqui Smith was sitting at her desk rolling a joint while drafting up legislation but if she smoked weed at some hippy festival 30 years ago it really has no bearing on her job
July 25, 200719 yr Times have changed Scott These MP's were doing it 30 years ago when it was the thing to do, it was the era of flower power and peace and love and Woodstock and so on, times have changed since then and society has changed so what happened 30 years ago or more is of no relevance now I am not bothered what MP's did 30 years ago all I am bothered about is what MP's are doing now It would be an issue to me if Jacqui Smith was sitting at her desk rolling a joint while drafting up legislation but if she smoked weed at some hippy festival 30 years ago it really has no bearing on her job You still haven't explained to me why it should even be re-classified.... And, again, SHE allowed herself the "right to experiment", a right that she is now denying the young of today.... It matter not one jot if it was "Flower Power" or "Woodstock", Jesus effing Christ man, do you think Cannabis was just created for a bunch of smelly Hippies in the 60s??????? I think you'll find that people have been using Cannabis and Hemp for, ooooooh, roughly 10,000 years mate...... As Bill Hicks once said "Isn't making Cannabis illegal sorta like saying God made a mistake....?". A lot of people who have illnesses like MS actually use Cannabis for pain relief, so what does this re-classification mean for those people....? <_< Sorry mate, if it walks like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t, smells like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t and sounds like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t, chances are it IS Self-Righteous Bullsh!t..... Jacqui Smith is doing this to score some pathetic political points - bottom line....
July 25, 200719 yr You still haven't explained to me why it should even be re-classified.... And, again, SHE allowed herself the "right to experiment", a right that she is now denying the young of today.... It matter not one jot if it was "Flower Power" or "Woodstock", Jesus effing Christ man, do you think Cannabis was just created for a bunch of smelly Hippies in the 60s??????? I think you'll find that people have been using Cannabis and Hemp for, ooooooh, roughly 10,000 years mate...... As Bill Hicks once said "Isn't making Cannabis illegal sorta like saying God made a mistake....?". A lot of people who have illnesses like MS actually use Cannabis for pain relief, so what does this re-classification mean for those people....? <_< Sorry mate, if it walks like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t, smells like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t and sounds like Self-Righteous Bullsh!t, chances are it IS Self-Righteous Bullsh!t..... Jacqui Smith is doing this to score some pathetic political points - bottom line.... In my first post in this thread I said that ALL drugs should be decriminalised not just cannabis but cocaine, heroin, ecstacy or whatever, they should be sold in licenced outlets and taken out of the hands of the gangsters and pimps who control the drugs trade, people are going to take drugs anyways so might as well remove the gangsters and pimps from the equation and sell them legally. Until this last few months I used cannabis mate and it has never done me any harm, I am in good health and mentally sound and I was smoking weed for 2 decades albeit more infrequently in recent years If every adult in this country who has ever taken a drug of any sort be it weed, e's, heroin, cocaine, LSD and so on and so on was disqualified from being an MP the house of commons would be half empty as it would be near as damn impossible to find a candidate, I would say that probably 90% of people 16-65 have taken a drug of some sort in their lifetime Edited July 25, 200719 yr by Vic Vega
July 25, 200719 yr If a minister who is in charge of roads and road safety and buying speed cameras drove over the speed limit in his car 30 years ago does it make him any worse at his job or unfit to do his job ? its the same to me as a home secretary taking drugs 30 years ago.
July 25, 200719 yr Until this last few months I used cannabis mate and it has never done me any harm, I am in good health and mentally sound and I was smoking weed for 2 decades albeit more infrequently in recent years i suggest you watch jeremy kyle, he often has people on there who has been harmed by excessive canabis use, people who ARE hooked on it, seeing these real people in trouble has actually changed my opinion on canabis.
July 25, 200719 yr i suggest you watch jeremy kyle, he often has people on there who has been harmed by excessive canabis use, people who ARE hooked on it, seeing these real people in trouble has actually changed my opinion on canabis. Some people are just born with addictive personalities though Rob, if they were not addicted to cannabis they would be addicted to gambling or slot machines or alcohol or whatever, I don't think cannabis itself is to blame it is just an outlet for those person's addiction, if cannabis didn't exist they would be addicted to something else as that is an inbuilt trait in their personality
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