July 25, 200718 yr The thing is the majority of the posters in here seem to only be considering it from Bulger's point of view. What about the woman? When people enter into a marriage with each other, they should at least be aware of the bare essentials of their partner's past. Is it fair on this girl that she walks into what is intended to be a LIFETIME partnership with someone when she's completely unaware of the biggest part of their life? No. Whether Bulger was/is still evil, whether he knew what he was doing, etc. is irrelevant. Why should the woman be pulled into something like marriage without knowing the full facts? Particularly if there's a chance his true identity comes out anyway. What happens if it does? Aside from the obvious betrayl of trust, marriage based on lies, and all that, she could easily be put at just as much risk from vigilantes as Bulger himself. She's innocent, and he isn't, whether he's paid for his crime sufficiently or not. Edited July 25, 200718 yr by Shoat
July 25, 200718 yr The thing is the majority of the posters in here seem to only be considering it from Bulger's point of view. What about the woman? When people enter into a marriage with each other, they should at least be aware of the bare essentials of their partner's past. Is it fair on this girl that she walks into what is intended to be a LIFETIME partnership with someone when she's completely unaware of the biggest part of their life? No. Whether Bulger was/is still evil, whether he knew what he was doing, etc. is irrelevant. Why should the woman be pulled into something like marriage without knowing the full facts? Particularly if there's a chance his true identity comes out anyway. What happens if it does? Aside from the obvious betrayl of trust, marriage based on lies, and all that, she could easily be put at just as much risk from vigilantes as Bulger himself. She's innocent, and he isn't, whether he's paid for his crime sufficiently or not. ahem ... to steal a catch phrase - FULL TRUTH A marriage cannot survive a secret of this magnitude! Edited July 25, 200718 yr by ICR
July 25, 200718 yr ahem ... to steal a catch phrase - FULL TRUTH A marriage cannot survive a secret of this magnitude! i dont agree. i see no reason why this secret cant be kept and they both live a long and happy life. it was 15 years ago, and assuming hes 'cured' and is 'safe' then why not? he isnt the same person.
July 25, 200718 yr i dont agree. i see no reason why this secret cant be kept and they both live a long and happy life. it was 15 years ago, and assuming hes 'cured' and is 'safe' then why not? he isnt the same person. You're still expecting a woman to go on and spend the rest of her life, have kids etc. with him whilst remaining completely unaware of everything. There isn't any reason why the secret couldn't be kept, but that doesn't automatically mean it WILL be kept. And then it's going to be the woman and any kids she may have who will suffer most.
July 25, 200718 yr You're still expecting a woman to go on and spend the rest of her life, have kids etc. with him whilst remaining completely unaware of everything. There isn't any reason why the secret couldn't be kept, but that doesn't automatically mean it WILL be kept. And then it's going to be the woman and any kids she may have who will suffer most. my point was that it is possible for this secret to be kept forever, i didnt say it will :) tbh i dont know the answer, idealy he should he able to tell her and she would understand.... but if for 1 moment she turned against him at any time from now until he dies... then there would be BIG trouble. maybe shes maxine carr.. :lol: that would solve the problem :)
July 25, 200718 yr I think its disgraceful the woman doesnt know she is marrying a sick bast*rd who found it funny to tie a little boy to a train track and watch him die. He may have changed but its still sick that he is allowed free after the disgusting and horrific crime he commited.
July 25, 200718 yr :rolleyes: nice to see the lynch mob mentality is alive and kicking <_< :cry: whats the matter? You dont think an innocent woman has a right to know she is marrying a sick murderer?
July 25, 200718 yr :cry: whats the matter? You dont think an innocent woman has a right to know she is marrying a sick murderer? i suggest you read the thread, and consider the reasoned responses and understandings as to why the crime was committed in the first place. :)
July 25, 200718 yr i suggest you read the thread, and consider the reasoned responses and understandings as to why the crime was committed in the first place. :) I have read the thread and IMO there is no reason as to why those boys would ever feel the need to murder an ainnocent little boy It is disgusting and vile and if my son had be murdered like that I would be livid. Thats the problem with some people nowadays, always looking for a bloody excuse as to why the murderers do it and come to a conclusion it wasnt their fault after all, when we all know they were just 2 sick little bast*rds who will hopefully rot in hell when they die :) Goodnight
July 25, 200718 yr Some of the people in this thread are hilarious How does anyone know he feels guilty for what he did? How do we know he is changed and normal? Its all speculation Murder should mean life in prison, the fact he has liven an easy life with protection and shelter for free makes my blood boil to the maximum I hope he does spill it to her and she blabs and then that poor mother of the young kid can chop his bollocks off
July 25, 200718 yr my point was that it is possible for this secret to be kept forever, i didnt say it will :) tbh i dont know the answer, idealy he should he able to tell her and she would understand.... but if for 1 moment she turned against him at any time from now until he dies... then there would be BIG trouble. maybe shes maxine carr.. :lol: that would solve the problem :) See, this is where I could be accused of going towards the lynch mob crew. Whilst I'm not advocating for a minute any hooligan who takes it upon themself to go and hunt him down, at the same time if that does happen...there's no getting around the fact that he did what he did, and he's going to have to bear the consequences. I don't think an innocent woman should have her life built on a lie, just to protect him. I think it's a risk that should be taken.
July 25, 200718 yr I have read the thread and IMO there is no reason as to why those boys would ever feel the need to murder an ainnocent little boy It is disgusting and vile and if my son had be murdered like that I would be livid. Thats the problem with some people nowadays, always looking for a bloody excuse as to why the murderers do it and come to a conclusion it wasnt their fault after all, when we all know they were just 2 sick little bast*rds who will hopefully rot in hell when they die :) Goodnight you are showing a great deal of immaturity and lack of understanding. hence my 'lynch mob' jibe at you (which now seems fully justified) those little boys were not born evil, there is no evil gene... they are a product of their parents and environment, thats who the real 'killers' are. i hope one day someone gives you the same level of understanding for something you have done that you have shown them... maybe then youd understand that theres no black and white in life, just various shades of grey.
July 25, 200718 yr How does anyone know he feels guilty for what he did? How do we know he is changed and normal? Its all speculation Yes, and it's also all speculation that he doesn't feel guilty for what he did and that he isn't changed and normal. The point is we'll never know.
July 25, 200718 yr you are showing a great deal of immaturity and lack of understanding. hence my 'lynch mob' jibe at you (which now seems fully justified) those little boys were not born evil, there is no evil gene... they are a product of their parents and environment, thats who the real 'killers' are. i hope one day someone gives you the same level of understanding for something you have done that you have shown them... maybe then youd understand that theres no black and white in life, just various shades of grey. Oh dear, I'm going to have to play devil's advocate again. Now I'm not for a minute agreeing that we should go and chop the bloke's bollocks off, but where you're accusing Callum of seeing things in black and white, that's how your comment just now also comes across. No, they probably weren't born completely and totally evil, but you seem to putting the blame 100% onto the families, and that seems to me to be quite a black and white view aswell. As others have said, there are many kids out there who have tough lives, I doubt for a minute they've all gone and done what these two kids did. Really it's more likely that it was a combination of factors. The parents wouldn't have helped no, but clearly the tools WERE there in the killers in the first place. Edited July 25, 200718 yr by Shoat
July 25, 200718 yr See, this is where I could be accused of going towards the lynch mob crew. Whilst I'm not advocating for a minute any hooligan who takes it upon themself to go and hunt him down, at the same time if that does happen...there's no getting around the fact that he did what he did, and he's going to have to bear the consequences. I don't think an innocent woman should have her life built on a lie, just to protect him. I think it's a risk that should be taken. oh i dont think you come across as 'lynch mob mentality' at all.... if they decide to take that risk though then his new life, his anonimity will be gone forever as its much harder to change an adults appearance then a kids... and yes, he does have to bare the consequences of his actions for ever. if he did reveal it then he would have that hanging over him forever, she knows, she could tell all, and lets face it...marriages dont last long nowdays.... . im not dissagreeing with you, i just doubt the risk being worth it. maybe he should never marry...
July 25, 200718 yr Oh dear, I'm going to have to play devil's advocate again. Now I'm not for a minute agreeing that we should go and chop the bloke's bollocks off, but where you're accusing Callum of seeing things in black and white, that's how your comment just now also comes across. No, they probably weren't born completely and totally evil, but you seem to putting the blame 100% onto the families, and that seems to me to be quite a black and white view aswell. As others have said, there are many kids out there who have tough lives, I doubt for a minute they've all gone and done what these two kids did. Really it's more likely that it was a combination of factors. The parents wouldn't have helped no, but clearly the tools WERE there in the killers in the first place. m8.... bulger was the kid they killed... its venebals and thompson who murdered bulger :) lol... yeah i was rather clumsy, you are right in as much that it is a seriese of factors that played upon these boys that created the environment where they would commit evil. the boys though were products of abusive households and whilst not all victims turn into perpetrators, some do. if these boys had have grown up in different circumstances though they wouldnt hve been kiddy killers, it was avoidable, it wasnt inevitable, they were victims themselves of very unfortunate circumstances that they reacted too.
July 25, 200718 yr Bulger killer, thats not the one that lured the toddler out of his garden and killed him, is it? :unsure:
July 25, 200718 yr Bulger killer, thats not the one that lured the toddler out of his garden and killed him, is it? :unsure: the toddler jamie bulger was a toddler taken by venebals and thompson from a shopping centre.
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