I used to have a golly doll when I was wee lad, and now they are considered as racist, has Britain gone mad. :blink: I wish they get over it.

It's because they were called Golly Wogs. :lol: Still pathetic anyway, just cuz they is black. -_-

Isnt Ba Ba Black Sheep racist to? :rofl:

Isnt Ba Ba Black Sheep racist to? :rofl:

 

indeed my little great nephew has to sing 'ba ba wooly sheep'... <_< we correct him saying its BLACK and thats not racist.

NOW they're considered racist? :blink: Weren't they considered racist years ago, hence them being banned? :unsure:

 

We sell them in our shop and we have to call them golly toys or jolly gollys :lol: And we must instruct customers to do the same, they're really popular actually - especially with black people!

I had a Golliwog dolly when I was little and my mum sent off for all the Golliwog metal badges for me, you collected so many labels from Robertsons jam and then you got a metal badge. :cheer:

There's loads of Golliwog stuff on ebay, I think I'll start collecting them again. :D

 

http://i19.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/b0/b5/7017_1.JPG

I thought they were banned years ago as well....?

 

I used to collect them back in the 80s, you got them after saving up tokens on jam and marmalade.

Political correctness gone mad :manson: :manson:

 

I remember those dolls well and they were harmless and society is really f***ed up when a jam is considered racist :manson:

 

Next they will be banning Action Man because it is considered sexist and gives the wrong male stereotype :manson:

 

There is no place in society for stuff like The Black And White Minstrel Show (a very racist tv program) but a doll being racist ?? pathetic

indeed my little great nephew has to sing 'ba ba wooly sheep'... <_< we correct him saying its BLACK and thats not racist.

 

And why hasn't anyone pointed out the futility of asking a WOOLLY sheep if he has any wool!?!?!?

 

Have a word with his teacher!

Can I just address the fact that they are no longer deemed racist, hence why they are being sold in shops again. -_-

Sorry, but people who think that the "gollywog" dolls are harmless fun have absolutely no idea of the historical origins of the "golliwogs" and the whole incredibly racist "blackface" tradition with which these "harmless little dolls" are inexorably linked. I suggest you all actually educate yourselves before talking arrant nonsense about this being "political correctness gone mad"... <_< Seems like everyone likes to spout sh!te about "political correctness" these days when in fact there are DAMN GOOD REASONS for these things being consigned to the dustbins of history... Revisionism is alive and well and living on the Perspectives Forum, you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.... Next you'll all be saying "That Hitler, he wasn't really such a bad bloke...." or "The Black and White Minstrel show was just a bit of fun..".....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

 

If I was a black person I would certainly find the "golliwogs" and "blackface" totally demeaning and a gross insult to my cultural identity....

 

 

I used to have some I think, you could get them if you collected tokens from jam jars and I think perhaps in the beano or dandy?

 

It never crossed my mind that they could be considered racist

used to have some I think, you could get them if you collected tokens from jam jars and I think perhaps in the beano or dandy?

 

It never crossed my mind that they could be considered racist

 

Have you read the link I posted up..? It's racist... Did black people themselves CHOOSE to have their whole being represented in this way...? They did not, because they rather were too busy being rounded up and beaten half to death and lynched by the fukkin' KKK and other racist organisations to actually give their permission.... <_< Neither you nor any other white people on this or any other site have any right at ALL to say they dont have a right to feel aggrieved by being represented in this grossly offensive manner...

 

It really is NOTHING to do with jam jars or the dolls themselves, it's what they represent, and if people on this site cant see this, then they are not the intelligent folks I thought they were....

Sorry, but people who think that the "gollywog" dolls are harmless fun have absolutely no idea of the historical origins of the "golliwogs" and the whole incredibly racist "blackface" tradition with which these "harmless little dolls" are inexorably linked. I suggest you all actually educate yourselves before talking arrant nonsense about this being "political correctness gone mad"... <_< Seems like everyone likes to spout sh!te about "political correctness" these days when in fact there are DAMN GOOD REASONS for these things being consigned to the dustbins of history... Revisionism is alive and well and living on the Perspectives Forum, you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.... Next you'll all be saying "That Hitler, he wasn't really such a bad bloke...." or "The Black and White Minstrel show was just a bit of fun..".....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

 

If I was a black person I would certainly find the "golliwogs" and "blackface" totally demeaning and a gross insult to my cultural identity....

 

I know BLACKS who liked gollywog dolls Scott, I grew up in an area where there was a lot of blacks and I know of many black kids that liked gollywogs and played with them and so on and I dont ever recall anyone saying that they were racist

 

Also one of the posters above said that blacks buy them in the shops etc so times havent changed

 

It is not up to whites to tell blacks what are and are not racist it is up to blacks themselves to decide and I am not aware of an outcry from the black community either in the past or present about gollywog dolls being racist

 

 

It is not up to whites to tell blacks what are and are not racist it is up to blacks themselves to decide and I am not aware of an outcry from the black community either in the past or present about gollywog dolls being racist

 

So, as a Jew, would you be comfortable with a doll coming out which represented YOUR culture as being reduced to being a "Hook-nosed Kike dressed up as a Rabbi", yeah, we could have the "Roger Rabbi" doll... That doll just wouldn't get marketed mate, and you damn well know it... Remember the holy hell Nu Labor created when they represented Michael Howard as being Fagin...? And, actually there WAS a pretty strong public outcry from the black community in the 70s about the way they were being represented in the media, the whole "golliwog" thing was part of the general outcry... AGAIN, you're guilty of re-writing history.... And it aint whites who have objected to this, I think you'll find many black activists such as Huey Newton and Chuck D have objected to the grossly offensive representation of blacks in society in general, citing the "golliwog" as an example.... This aint the same thing as white councillors taking down Christmas decorations in a lame-ass attempt appease Muslim constituents who generally had no problems with it anyway, there was a very real problem with the way black people were represented in society, and the "golliwog" was a part of the problem, and it rightly got condemned... I think any attempt to try to "reclaim" the Golliwog would at best be ill-advised, and at worst, racism by the back door.... The Golliwog is a symptom of Victorian Britons demeaning and dehumanizing the African tribal blacks in order for it to be acceptable for the Colonials to go in and rob, rape and pillage half of sodding Africa.. The Golliwog is worse than the Swastika, the Swasitika existed outside the Nazi's gross misappopriation of the symbol for thousands of years, the Swastika was a positive, peaceful symbol; the Golliwog and Blackface has no such history as being a positive symbol or representation. Ever.... The Swastika can, and should, be reclaimed, the Golliwog should be forgotten and consigned to the dustbin of history. Forever....

 

Black kids playing with these dolls is a symptom of a sheer ignorance of history on the part of their parents (just as it is being exhibited here on this very Forum by those who are supporters of the "golliwog" and "blackface"..), not something I feel should be glossed over, kids are growing up who have never even heard of Martin Luther King or Malcolm X or the Black Civil Rights Movement, something I personally am disgusted by...

 

Actually, as a point of fact, just where are you seeing these alleged black kids playing with golliwogs anyway....? I've lived in several boroughs in London with fairly high proportions of black people living in (Islington, Camden and Hackney) and I have never ONCE seen a kid play with a "golliwog" my friend... Methinks you are talking rubbish.....

So, as a Jew, would you be comfortable with a doll coming out which represented YOUR culture as being reduced to being a "Hook-nosed Kike dressed up as a Rabbi", yeah, we could have the "Roger Rabbi" doll... That doll just wouldn't get marketed mate, and you damn well know it... Remember the holy hell Nu Labor created when they represented Michael Howard as being Fagin...? And, actually there WAS a pretty strong public outcry from the black community in the 70s about the way they were being represented in the media, the whole "golliwog" thing was part of the general outcry... AGAIN, you're guilty of re-writing history.... And it aint whites who have objected to this, I think you'll find many black activists such as Huey Newton and Chuck D have objected to the grossly offensive representation of blacks in society in general, citing the "golliwog" as an example.... This aint the same thing as white councillors taking down Christmas decorations in a lame-ass attempt appease Muslim constituents who generally had no problems with it anyway, there was a very real problem with the way black people were represented in society, and the "golliwog" was a part of the problem, and it rightly got condemned... I think any attempt to try to "reclaim" the Golliwog would at best be ill-advised, and at worst, racism by the back door.... The Golliwog is a symptom of Victorian Britons demeaning and dehumanizing the African tribal blacks in order for it to be acceptable for the Colonials to go in and rob, rape and pillage half of sodding Africa.. The Golliwog is worse than the Swastika, the Swasitika existed outside the Nazi's gross misappopriation of the symbol for thousands of years, the Swastika was a positive, peaceful symbol; the Golliwog and Blackface has no such history as being a positive symbol or representation. Ever.... The Swastika can, and should, be reclaimed, the Golliwog should be forgotten and consigned to the dustbin of history. Forever....

 

Black kids playing with these dolls is a symptom of a sheer ignorance of history on the part of their parents (just as it is being exhibited here on this very Forum by those who are supporters of the "golliwog" and "blackface"..), not something I feel should be glossed over, kids are growing up who have never even heard of Martin Luther King or Malcolm X or the Black Civil Rights Movement, something I personally am disgusted by...

 

Actually, as a point of fact, just where are you seeing these alleged black kids playing with golliwogs anyway....? I've lived in several boroughs in London with fairly high proportions of black people living in (Islington, Camden and Hackney) and I have never ONCE seen a kid play with a "golliwog" my friend... Methinks you are talking rubbish.....

 

I was bought up in North London, my "manor" was Tottenham, Finsbury Park and those kinda areas and I grew up with a number of black kids, I had a gollywog myself and many other kids did not just white but also black kids too, and none of us thought it was a symbol of racism just merely a childs toy. It was just a sign of the times and none of us associated it with race any more than a "doll" I had of a monkey wearing red dungarees, is that racist too ?

 

If the gollywog doll came equipped with add ons of cotton, watermelons, fried chicken and so on which represent racist stereotypes then that would be offensive and completely racist but its just a kids toy as far as I am concerned

 

If the gollywog doll came equipped with add ons of cotton, watermelons, fried chicken and so on which represent racist stereotypes then that would be offensive and completely racist but its just a kids toy as far as I am concerned

 

*Groans* Jesus effing Christ Craig, did you even READ the material through the link that I posted...? Golliwog = Blackface = racism; I'm sorry, but you are entirely WRONG, the golliwog is not just a kid's toy because that is not how it first came into being, it was used on posters (again, which there are examples of on the wikipedia entry) with words like "coon" and "piccaninny" being clearly associated with the symbol of the doll...

 

It is blatant racist imagery, and thoroughly indefensible.... I suppose you'd see some sort of "worth" in the Nazi documentaries that Goebbels commissioned, and those "harmless" paintings of nice, blonde, blue-eyed Aryans frolicking around in Nazi "art"..... In fact, why dont Audi or Volkswagen just 'reclaim' the phrase "Arbeit Macht Frei" and use it as a Corporate logo to "engender a bit of team spirit and boost worker morale..." <_<

 

The Golliwog is throwback to ignorant times and ignorant attitudes which should be forgotten, because we HAVE MOVED ON (well, supposedly anyway, sometimes I seriously wonder....). I really dont think that the offence of this thing can be any clearer tbh, and frankly if, after reading all that material that I have posted the link for, you still see this as being somehow worthy of defending, then frankly, you're either a complete moron or, indeed, a racist....

 

What you think is "innocent" as a kid has no bearing in this debate at all as far as I'm concerned, we're all grown ups here and should actually realise that these things are not at all "innocent" or without some kind of Patriarchal socio-political dogma behind them (girls are encouraged to play "house", boys encouraged to play "soldiers", an obvious example of social conditioning and the enforcement of gender roles, but one I feel represents the point well)... When I was a kid I used to think that the racist, sexist "jokes" that the likes of Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson spouted on shows like "The Comedians" were utterly fukkin hilarious.... But then, I watched stuff like Ben Elton and the other Alternative Comedians on "Saturday Night Live" as a teenager and I grew up and realised that these "jokes" were utterly demeaning..... -_-

*Groans* Jesus effing Christ Craig, did you even READ the material through the link that I posted...? Golliwog = Blackface = racism; I'm sorry, but you are entirely WRONG, the golliwog is not just a kid's toy because that is not how it first came into being, it was used on posters (again, which there are examples of on the wikipedia entry) with words like "coon" and "piccaninny" being clearly associated with the symbol of the doll...

 

It is blatant racist imagery, and thoroughly indefensible.... I suppose you'd see some sort of "worth" in the Nazi documentaries that Goebbels commissioned, and those "harmless" paintings of nice, blonde, blue-eyed Aryans frolicking around in Nazi "art"..... In fact, why dont Audi or Volkswagen just 'reclaim' the phrase "Arbeit Macht Frei" and use it as a Corporate logo to "engender a bit of team spirit and boost worker morale..." <_<

 

The Golliwog is throwback to ignorant times and ignorant attitudes which should be forgotten, because we HAVE MOVED ON (well, supposedly anyway, sometimes I seriously wonder....). I really dont think that the offence of this thing can be any clearer tbh, and frankly if, after reading all that material that I have posted the link for, you still see this as being somehow worthy of defending, then frankly, you're either a complete moron or, indeed, a racist....

 

What you think is "innocent" as a kid has no bearing in this debate at all as far as I'm concerned... When I was a kid I used to think that the racist "jokes" that the likes of Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson spouted on shows like "The Comedians" were utterly fukkin hilarious.... But then, I grew up..... -_-

 

I have not had time to read the articles way too much work will read them tonight but my understanding of blackface is white people having their faces blackened by boot polish or whatever to make them look like black performers, I thought that Golliwog was a creation of Enid Blyton, no one can claim surely that Enid Blyton was a racist

 

If anything these dolls helped race relations in this country, lil white kids hugging a cute lil black doll helps foster race relations and encourage white kids to get on with black kids and so on, a child and lets face it 90% of gollywog users were between 5 and 10 years old playing with a lil black doll is not going to associate it with slavery and the KKK they wont know what that means but it will help lil white kids to see black kids as cute and friendly through playing with that doll, kids should just be allowed to enjoy their childhood and let them learn about cultural identities later, I dont see anything wrong with these dolls, just about everyone over 30 on this board had a gollywog but are not racist, is Mikey a racist ? is Suggy a racist ? NO like everyone else they were just kids enjoying their childhood

 

Should Action Man be banned because it might make kids homophobic in the sense that they think all men should be hard and butch and rugged and macho and therefore see camp gays in a negative light ? should Barbie be banned on the grounds of sexism as it portrays women as blonde airhead bimbos ? No and No, dolls don't make kids judgemental and stereotypical, nor did Gollywog

Have you read the link I posted up..? It's racist... Did black people themselves CHOOSE to have their whole being represented in this way...? They did not, because they rather were too busy being rounded up and beaten half to death and lynched by the fukkin' KKK and other racist organisations to actually give their permission.... <_< Neither you nor any other white people on this or any other site have any right at ALL to say they dont have a right to feel aggrieved by being represented in this grossly offensive manner...

 

It really is NOTHING to do with jam jars or the dolls themselves, it's what they represent, and if people on this site cant see this, then they are not the intelligent folks I thought they were....

 

Fine, I can see your point of view but I meant that as a child I didn't think that way...why would anyone under ten even perceive them to be anything other than dolls?

Fine, I can see your point of view but I meant that as a child I didn't think that way...why would anyone under ten even perceive them to be anything other than dolls?

 

EXACTLY that is my point

 

Let's ban Tom and Jerry too because of the cruelty to cats involved when Jerry would tie up Tom's tail and so on :manson: I never treated cats badly because of what I saw on Tom and Jerry any more than a child will become racist through playing with Golliwog

 

Golliwog was just a childs toy