But what's your point? Social Services' role in this case would be to ensure the children's happiness (and I would've thought it would be fairly obvious they'd be happiest with their parents) and safety (I'm sure everyone's going to use the fact they left them in the first place, but they have no previous history of neglect, and surely no-one thinks they'd do it again after what happened?).

 

I think i explained my point in my previous point.

 

They are 2, so if they were to be taken away from there parents which in all fairness they should be for their own saftey they would have no memory of them after a certian period of time and would ajust into a new family. Although there is no reports of previous history of neglect it doesn't me they haven't neglected their children whilst they were in the UK, if they feel they can do it in a foreign country why wouldnt they do it at home? Even the most interlectualy challanged person knows children need to be supervised especialy the very young. Kate and Gerry McCann are doctors, and yes they need to unwind but if they were going to abbandon their children so they can have a night out they should have left them in the UK with a realitive, or as stated numerous times the hotel had a babysitting service, why didn't they use that?

I think i explained my point in my previous point.

 

They are 2, so if they were to be taken away from there parents which in all fairness they should be for their own saftey they would have no memory of them after a certian period of time and would ajust into a new family.

What makes you say that? My sister's 4 and a half, but she remembers things from when she was 2. Besides, what makes you think they'd be adopted by another family anyway? Very few people want to adopt orphans that aren't newborns, and given how high-profile the twins are (and so, adoptive parents would also become so), it wouldn't be that surprising if they ended up in some orphanage. No-one would gain anything from it.

What makes you say that? My sister's 4 and a half, but she remembers things from when she was 2. Besides, what makes you think they'd be adopted by another family anyway? Very few people want to adopt orphans that aren't newborns, and given how high-profile the twins are (and so, adoptive parents would also become so), it wouldn't be that surprising if they ended up in some orphanage. No-one would gain anything from it.

 

i mean when they are like 9 or 10. I do realise that point seams silly. However the McCann's have proved themselves to be bad parents due to their poor judgment.

What makes you say that? My sister's 4 and a half, but she remembers things from when she was 2. Besides, what makes you think they'd be adopted by another family anyway? Very few people want to adopt orphans that aren't newborns, and given how high-profile the twins are (and so, adoptive parents would also become so), it wouldn't be that surprising if they ended up in some orphanage. No-one would gain anything from it.

 

Who's suggesting the other kids be adopted by another family...? I think a very good idea would be for the Grandparents to be given custody of the other two children, number one, they'd probably do a much better job, number two, while the McCanns have been jet-setting off around the globe the Grandparents have pretty much been raising the twins for the past four months anyway.....

 

Besides, considering the publicity this whole thing has had, do you seriously believe there would actually be a shortage of volunteers to adopt these particular bairns anyway...?

 

And another point, we all complain bitterly when social services sit back and do nothing in cases of obvious abuse and neglect, so now what, we moan and b**ch if they actually do do something...?? :wacko: :wacko: Who would be a social worker, damned if they do and damned if they don't innit...?

Who's suggesting the other kids be adopted by another family...? I think a very good idea would be for the Grandparents to be given custody of the other two children, number one, they'd probably do a much better job, number two, while the McCanns have been jet-setting off around the globe the Grandparents have pretty much been raising the twins for the past four months anyway.....

 

Besides, considering the publicity this whole thing has had, do you seriously believe there would actually be a shortage of volunteers to adopt these particular bairns anyway...?

 

acording to todays sun, so take it a pinch of salt. Should the McCann's have to go back to portuagal or remain the prime suspects they could risk losing the twins. It also says the DNA/Blood in the hire car is now a 100% match for Madalines. The articles in todays Sun seamed very neutral after months of endless support of Kate and Gerry it seams they could be about to turn on them.

acording to todays sun, so take it a pinch of salt. Should the McCann's have to go back to portuagal or remain the prime suspects they could risk losing the twins. It also says the DNA/Blood in the hire car is now a 100% match for Madalines. The articles in todays Sun seamed very neutral after months of endless support of Kate and Gerry it seams they could be about to turn on them.

 

Things do seem to be twisting and turning more than a plate of sodding spaghetti in this whole affair don't they...? I think, bottom line, at the very least, they should be charged with child neglect and be banned from seeing the twins except in supervised visits.. Whatever else transpires out of this whole sorry mess, there can be no doubt of their unfitness to be parents, and there is a question of professional misconduct as well as doctors as to the question of them giving the kids sedatives.. Feeding sedatives to under five year olds just to shut them up while they go off on a jolly can be seen as a form of child abuse surely...? How the fukk can anyone with a brain possibly defend these two vile scumbags...? <_< They may not have actually killed the girl, but they sure as hell aint blameless.

 

...And now we have ELEVEN deluded posters who still believe they are totally "innocent" of any wrongdoing or responsibility despite all the evidence... Christ, I seriously wonder about some people....

The Portuguese police really are totally incompetent. (...)

 

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Please!!!!!!

You cannot say that!

 

You only know what the english media tells you!

And they are known for their ways to manipulate the facts!

 

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Edited September 11, 200717 yr by Luis_

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Please!!!!!!

You cannot say that!

 

You only know what the english media tells you!

And they are know for their ways to manipulate the facts!

 

-_-

 

Well put mate. I dont believe for a minute that the Portuguese police are any more or any less incompetent than any other Police force in the world, you get good coppers and bad coppers, simple as... The fact is that OUR police force in Britain aint doing jack sh!t to find the well over a THOUSAND or so kids that go missing off the streets of the UK every year, so, does that mean that the UK force are completely inept???? And there's the small matter of the numerous "mysterious deaths" in British police custody over the years that are continually covered up... -_-

 

I've never been a great cheerleader of the Police as a whole tbh, but I find the way that some people on BJ and the Media are being a bit "bloody johnny foreigners" about this whole affair to be completely out of order.... I seriously doubt the British police or the British authorities could do any better a job of this than the Portuguese force, the sheer scale of the press insanity over this whole thing would likely hamper the efforts of even the greatest investigative minds IMO, I doubt even Inspector Morse or Sherlock Holmes could do any better in the circumstances...

 

Besides, the name 'Stephen Lawrence' mean anything to you people???? <_< If ever there was an example of sheer incompetence and ineptitude, from our own BRITISH police force...... So, let's not go around making out like all our coppers are so bloody wonderful...

And another point, we all complain bitterly when social services sit back and do nothing in cases of obvious abuse and neglect, so now what, we moan and b**ch if they actually do do something...?? :wacko: :wacko: Who would be a social worker, damned if they do and damned if they don't innit...?

Social Services would only put any kids up for adoption as an absolute last resort. If it's a first offence, and if it seems obvious the parents would be more responsible, they wouldn't do it. If the whole Madeleine story hadn't gone so high-profile, there's no way they'd take the other kids from the parents, but as it is, they might possibly due to coloured opinions and/or fear of a public backlash if they didn't act.

And for the record, them using sedatives hasn't been confirmed anywhere.

Edited September 11, 200717 yr by Danny

Ok i'm not sure if it's been posted yet put police are 99% sure they've found Madelines DNA in the car boot.

AOL report.

Ok i'm not sure if it's been posted yet put police are 99% sure they've found Madelines DNA in the car boot.

AOL report.

 

it means nothing. whatever the dna came off could easily have been imported of the families belongings or them themselves.

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Please!!!!!!

You cannot say that!

 

You only know what the english media tells you!

And they are know for their ways to manipulate the facts!

 

-_-

Well, maybe I should've made clear I don't think they're incompetent in general... but they're undeniably incompetent in dealing with this type of case. I read in The Observer (which is VERY reliable) in the same place I read about the forensic tests not matching exactly, that they'd spoken to someone at Leicestershire Police had been involved in the forensic testing in some way, and he was astounded that they'd been made suspects. He wasn't necessarily saying he thought they were innocent, just that no British police force would ever have formally placed them under suspicion when there was so little solid evidence.

Social Services would only put any kids up for adoption as an absolute last resort. If it's a first offence, and if it seems obvious the parents would be more responsible, they wouldn't do it. If the whole Madeleine story hadn't gone so high-profile, there's no way they'd take the other kids from the parents, but as it is, they might possibly due to coloured opinions and/or fear of a public backlash if they didn't act.

 

It's a hell of a "first offence" though mate, you have to admit.. Drugging kiddies to keep them quiet, leaving them totally on their own in a hotel room in a foreign country on several separate occasions, even though there was the option of an on-site child-care service which they could easily afford... It aint the same as the single working mum who can't afford child-care forced to go to work under threat of being sacked and having no other realistic option other than leaving, say, a 9 or 10 year old off sick from school in the flat.... The latter has mitigating circumstances that the former does not IMO, every case has to be taken on its own individual merits surely....

 

And besides, there is the option of appointing custodial care to the grandparents in this case, no need for adoption..

no British police force would ever have formally placed them under suspicion when there was so little solid evidence.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

That's some kind of joke right...?? The Police placed Colin Stagg under arrest for the Rachel Nickell murder with absolutely BUGGER ALL evidence other than that obtained in a Honey Trap "confession" that a WPC got off Stagg in return for the promise of sexual favours... So, that is just complete bullsh!t my friend....

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Please!!!!!!

You cannot say that!

 

You only know what the english media tells you!

And they are known for their ways to manipulate the facts!

 

-_-

 

Absolutely right. There's been a lot of xenophobic nonsense written about the Portugese police. Some people seem to find it hard to understand that different countries do these things in different ways and that the lack of information from the police is due to restrictions on what they are allowed to say. Portugal is a mature democracy and it's about time some people woke up to that fact.

Absolutely right. There's been a lot of xenophobic nonsense written about the Portugese police. Some people seem to find it hard to understand that different countries do these things in different ways and that the lack of information from the police is due to restrictions on what they are allowed to say. Portugal is a mature democracy and it's about time some people woke up to that fact.

 

;)

Tbh I think the police are doing a dam good job, comming down harsh on the McCannes, something that the Uk Police and Government wouldn't do. :rolleyes: I've been "brainwashing" my mates, they all agree with me now. :lol: I do personally think and still do think that the McCannes are responsible or behind this. The blood samples found in the car ARE Madeleine's (100% Proven), It was reported that the McCannes 'dissapeared' for half an hour, Portuguese Police who have bugged McCannes phone calls and emails say that what they heard/read have made their minds change to putting them as suspects etc.

 

I reckon that the parents drugged/sedated (whatever you want to call it) Madeleine, played a 'check on her every half an hour' so that witnessess can say this in their statements so that the McCannes look less guilty, and after what mysteriously happened to Madeleine, washed the teddy (although that has nothing to do with the investigation) and went to the police and the media.

 

Another thing that wonders me is that IF a 3 year old was taken off by a stranger, what would be their reaction? To scream, cry and alerty anyone and everything around them. Now possibly, this never happened, so how does a child go off without the screaming? They get kidnapped/sedated, plus why would they need equipment like this anyway, they where on holiday?

 

AND :lol: one last thing one of my mates mentioned, these people are nurses, doctors, etc. They've probally analysed situations like this, how or what to do, IF anyone knew how to do it, it would of been the parents.

 

 

Hence all of that, and much more which I wont bother saying, thats why I think the parents have some part in this silly fiasco.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

That's some kind of joke right...?? The Police placed Colin Stagg under arrest for the Rachel Nickell murder with absolutely BUGGER ALL evidence other than that obtained in a Honey Trap "confession" that a WPC got off Stagg in return for the promise of sexual favours... So, that is just complete bullsh!t my friend....

It's not necessarily my view, all I know is the guy from Leicestershire Police said they'd never have placed the McCanns under suspicion with the evidence available if they were in charge. I've never heard of the case you mentioned though, so I can't comment on that.

 

 

Tbh I think the police are doing a dam good job, comming down harsh on the McCannes, something that the Uk Police and Government wouldn't do. I've been "brainwashing" my mates, they all agree with me now. I do personally think and still do think that the McCannes are responsible or behind this. The blood samples found in the car ARE Madeleine's (100% Proven), It was reported that the McCannes 'dissapeared' for half an hour, Portuguese Police who have bugged McCannes phone calls and emails say that what they heard/read have made their minds change to putting them as suspects etc.

 

I reckon that the parents drugged/sedated (whatever you want to call it) Madeleine, played a 'check on her every half an hour' so that witnessess can say this in their statements so that the McCannes look less guilty, and after what mysteriously happened to Madeleine, washed the teddy (although that has nothing to do with the investigation) and went to the police and the media.

Considering you can't even spell McCann, I think the fact this post is presumptuous garbage speaks for itself, but I will just say that it has not been any way 100% proven the blood samples were Madeleine's.

but I will just say that it has not been any way 100% proven the blood samples were Madeleine's.

 

well according to 'the sun' (lol) they ARE 100% certain... so thats a waste of print then.

There's been so much contradicting stuff reported during this story, I've learnt to only trust things when the BBC have reported them, and I just read on there that the Portuguese police are actually playing DOWN the claims that it was a 100% match.