You wouldn't go and live in italy speak english, complain about the lack of tenants and try to get the Italians to do everything a British way. Yet, some of these people come over here and make no effort at all.

 

You've obviously never seen the British Ex-Pat community in Southern Spain or the South of France then have you....? :lol: :P

 

 

Not being racist but if they don't like it they can fukk off!

 

And, erm, what about the ones born here then...? Dont you think that British born muslims have right to be just a tad angry about the Christian dominated British and American Govts bombing the c**p out of the Middle East and supporting Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians....? Are they not allowed to be annoyed about it, but I am, because I'm white and British...?

 

There's a scene from a film which I just love (cant remember the film...) where some skinhead c/unt says "fukk off back to where you came from P@ki", to which the asian character replies "What, you mean Bradford?".... :lol: :lol: HILARIOUS that one......

What the fukk do War Widows have to do with any of this anyway....?

 

maybe because this odious little man (who, rather bafflingly, seems to wear a Paul McCartney-chestnut type wig - fetching with a white beard) insults the husbands of the men murdered by the Nazis, Scott, you remember, in World War 2?

 

To compare Britain with Nazi Germany is not only a revolting display of a long-suffered institution (the appalling Muslim Council of Great Britain) biting the hand that feeds it - and feeds it very welll, too (check their Government handouts), but an insult to every single one of the men who fought for this country and died at the hands of the Nazis. A miniscule minority of these, you will find, Scott, were Muslims. Less than 1% actually.

 

How dare this repulsive little man pontificate about a thing so sensitive. The Muslim Council of Great Britain has a long history of insulting our efforts in the 2nd World War - this is the ultimate of those insults.

 

I ask again - the Muslim Council of Great Britain.... why? What do they achieve apart from insulting Britain and its traditions? They were very reticent in their condemnation of the 7/7 attacks, they have been laughably ineffective in rooting out the trouble element in the Muslim communities and they don't make any attempt to build bridges with the British people with their constant nonsensical, offensive ramblings about drink, gambling, marriage, women, gays or Christianity. They seem hellbent on BURNING bridges as opposed to building them and, whatever you may think, when you reside in a foreign country (this simpleton is Bangladeshi by the way), a country that is traditionally and predominantly a Christian country that has fought long and hard for acceptance of issues like equal rights for women and homosexuals, then I'm afraid you DON'T make very loud public statements telling that country how awful their morals and traditions are - you put up or shut up. Intigrate or emigrate. It's a simple choice. Not negotiable.

 

It's a crying shame this Council weren't so vocal in condemning the 7/7 bombers or the hate preachers that seem, like a cancer, to breed in their murky world.

 

To even try to compare arranged Muslim marriages with the old tradition of choosing a partner from the 'correct class' for your children is, quite frankly, the weakest and most misguided statement I think I've ever read of yours, Scott. It's wildly off the mark and bizarrely incorrect.

 

 

Justify this Scott:

 

Last Updated: Thursday, 15 November 2007, 18:34 GMT

Saudi gang-rape victim is jailed

By Frances Harrison

BBC News

 

An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped.

 

The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.

 

When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.

 

The attackers' sentences - originally of up to five years - were doubled.

 

Extra penalties

 

According to the Arab News newspaper, the 19-year-old woman, who is from Saudi Arabia's Shia minority, was gang-raped 14 times in an attack in the eastern province a year-and-a-half ago.

 

Seven men from the majority Sunni community were found guilty of the rape and sentenced to prison terms ranging from just under a year to five years.

 

But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.

 

On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.

 

The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty.

 

The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.

 

The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.

 

Don't you think Muslims have the best religion & ideologies in the entire history of the world? No doubt the Muslim Council of Great Britain think this sentence is right & just? :rolleyes:

 

 

You've obviously never seen the British Ex-Pat community in Southern Spain or the South of France then have you....? :lol: :P

good point.

 

well, i'd try 2 learn the language etc.

 

i didn't know you were from good old fundee. which area of the fine city are u from? i have a friend that lives out in whitfield

i have a friend that lives out in whitfield

 

 

Ah the most affluent and best area to live in bonnie Dundee ;) :w00t:

:rofl:

 

indeed, another dundonian?

Have you even tried speaking to them in English though...? That's the question, if you dont even try then I dunno tbh...

 

And I aint on a hate mission against the English as such, I just seem to find that the most ignorant people in this country of ours DO tend to BE the English, the English are much more unwilling to accept other cultures than the Scots, Irish or Welsh are, that's just a fact and it's always been that way, sorry if you dont like it.. There is a very big Indian and Pakistani community in my city of Dundee, and you know what, both communities actually DO get along pretty damn well with each other, there are nowhere near as many divisions as there is here down south. I grew up with Asian kids, I went to school with Asian kids... When the BNP came up to Scotland, they got kicked out sharpish, whereas a few too many of your countrymen seem to welcome these racist b/astards with open arms.....

 

 

Scott of course I have, I try to be nice and polite with everyone I meet here. My boss is great tho if someone talks to him in his language he'll respond in English if he's infront of me, I do find it rude when they go off in their language when they can speak really good English. Some of these people I find really ignorent but you get that from anyone in any country. I couldn't live in London like you, that place is full of ignorent people, I went to London not long ago got on the tube and people was just in such a hurry to get on they was banging into Annie in her pushchair WELL that pissed me off and had a go at some people for it. I don't mind when it's really busy and they cram in and bang into me but my little Annie in a pushchair?!

Justify this Scott:

 

Last Updated: Thursday, 15 November 2007, 18:34 GMT

Saudi gang-rape victim is jailed

By Frances Harrison

BBC News

 

An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped.

 

The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.

 

When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.

 

The attackers' sentences - originally of up to five years - were doubled.

 

Extra penalties

 

According to the Arab News newspaper, the 19-year-old woman, who is from Saudi Arabia's Shia minority, was gang-raped 14 times in an attack in the eastern province a year-and-a-half ago.

 

Seven men from the majority Sunni community were found guilty of the rape and sentenced to prison terms ranging from just under a year to five years.

 

But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.

 

On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.

 

The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty.

 

The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.

 

The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.

 

Don't you think Muslims have the best religion & ideologies in the entire history of the world? No doubt the Muslim Council of Great Britain think this sentence is right & just? :rolleyes:

 

Considering I've spent loads of time actually slagging off the Saudi regime and protested against the craven way that Gordon Brown and the Royal Family was arselicking their human rights-abusing rulers on the recent state visit, I dont think you'll actually find me defending much of what they do....

 

Perhaps you should forward this article to Number 10 Downing St instead of using it as a pathetic way of trying to undermine ME.. YOU voted for these Nu Labor Chinese/Saudi dictatorship arse-licking, lickspittle b/astards mate, NOT ME..... <_< <_<

 

You and Russ seem to be under the entirely mistaken belief that just because I defend the rights of ordinary Muslim PEOPLE against harrassment, intimidation and racism, that extends into defending the actions of organisations, states or religious doctrines... It doesn't..... Get that straight you two..... <_<

Scott of course I have, I try to be nice and polite with everyone I meet here. My boss is great tho if someone talks to him in his language he'll respond in English if he's infront of me, I do find it rude when they go off in their language when they can speak really good English. Some of these people I find really ignorent but you get that from anyone in any country. I couldn't live in London like you, that place is full of ignorent people, I went to London not long ago got on the tube and people was just in such a hurry to get on they was banging into Annie in her pushchair WELL that pissed me off and had a go at some people for it. I don't mind when it's really busy and they cram in and bang into me but my little Annie in a pushchair?!

 

That's mainly the commuters Clare, set of rude-ass muthafukkas almost to a man or woman... I just got fed up of even trying to be polite on these fukks on the buses and tubes, and give as good as I get.....

 

To compare Britain with Nazi Germany is not only a revolting display of a long-suffered institution (the appalling Muslim Council of Great Britain) biting the hand that feeds it - and feeds it very welll, too (check their Government handouts), but an insult to every single one of the men who fought for this country and died at the hands of the Nazis. A miniscule minority of these, you will find, Scott, were Muslims. Less than 1% actually.

 

Well, my Grandad fought in WW2 as well (and also the Spanish Civil War as it happens, so kinda shows HIS committment to being anti-facist, whaddaya think...?), and he was a lifelong Trade Unionist and Socialist as well.... You know what he said about Thatcherism...? "I fight Nazis in ruddy Europe and the silly b/astards down South go and vote them in....". I think it's far more of an insult to the people who fought and died to make our country free from tyranny to sit back and do bugger all and let this sh!t happen than it is to stand up in open revolt against the ever-increasing authoritarian state....

 

Facts are, there are a LOT of parallels you could make with the ultra-authoritarian legislation and proposals that within this Govt's doctrines and some fascist state somewhere... I can fault this guy on a lot of things, but on this one particular point, I think his fears are actually legit, you dont have to like him or his organisation to think that he might have a point you know (just as I dont like David Cameron and have no intentions of ever voting for the Tories, but one or two things that he's said recently, I agree with...). Bottom line - we should all be resisting what this Govt does, - Muslim, Christian, Socialist alike, because these laws apply to ALL of us..... Jesus man, actually LOOK at what some of these so-called "anti-terror" laws can actually do, they're so sweeping that they could easily be applied to just about anyone the Govt doesn't like, whether it be terrorist, animal rights/anti war/countryside alliance protestor, gay rights activists, or even people with divergent political views, it is extremely bad law, just like the US Patriot Act.... WAKE UP PEOPLE FFS!!!! <_<

 

I'm against ALL authoritarian rule, wherever it may be, and Russ, you know damn fine that you would NEVER accept any of these measures coming from a Tory Govt, and I'm willing to bet you were on the streets protesting against the Criminal Justice Bill, JUST like I was, so why are you so keen to defend an authoritarian regime now just because it happens to be wearing the clothes of a "Labour" govt....? Getting old perhaps...? :lol: :lol:

That's mainly the commuters Clare, set of rude-ass muthafukkas almost to a man or woman... I just got fed up of even trying to be polite on these fukks on the buses and tubes, and give as good as I get.....

 

But it's not just the English :)

 

Anyway I'm English and love me so up yours you Scottish bugger :P :P I'm only joking before you have a go :)

But it's not just the English :)

 

Anyway I'm English and love me so up yours you Scottish bugger :P :P I'm only joking before you have a go :)

 

 

The worst ones are probably the guys in suits, the "city slickers".... UGH, they hack me off.... <_< I've got a blind mate, and he got fed up as well with the way they acted towards him, know what he did.... He just started using his stick around very aggressively to MAKE the buggers make room for him..... :lol: :lol: Ooooh, the carnage...... :lol:

 

 

The worst ones are probably the guys in suits, the "city slickers".... UGH, they hack me off.... <_< I've got a blind mate, and he got fed up as well with the way they acted towards him, know what he did.... He just started using his stick around very aggressively to MAKE the buggers make room for him..... :lol: :lol: Ooooh, the carnage...... :lol:

 

:lol: Can't say I blame him I would have done the same, nice and hard! :D Prams are good too you can run over peoples feet lol...

To even try to compare arranged Muslim marriages with the old tradition of choosing a partner from the 'correct class' for your children is,

 

 

Erm, that's kinda what an "Arranged Marriage" is mate - it's ALL about parents choosing a suitable partner from a particular class, a "good" family, or indeed "caste" in the case of Hinduism. It's about status and prestige, just as it was in the past in this country...

 

And you honestly believe that the historical arrangements were any less problematic or distressing for many women concerned at the time...?

 

The facts are, it went on here for hundreds of years, so it is NOT an alien concept, you just dont want to accept the simple facts.... Like I said, I dont defend it, but it was a feature of life in this country at one point, so in a way, it is British tradition, just a tradition we did away with....

 

Thing is though, I know from personal experience of arranged marriages that have worked out perfectly well and positively for the individuals concerned, so just because I dont agree with something in principle doesn't mean that I cant accept that it has worked out for the best for some... You only ever hear about the bad stories after all, never about the ones where it actually does work out.....

Scott, you're talking about many hundreds of years ago when women were viewed throughout the world as nothing more than child-bearers. And even in these times, a marriage was very rarely 'forced' - and I doubt there were many cases of the woman refusing then being beaten to death with a shovel by her father and uncle......

 

Muslim 'arranged' marriages are nothing more than 'forced' marriage - if the woman refuses, she is a family outcast, a shame on her family, and the more hardline of the Muslim families are often violent with the girls in question due to the 'shame' she has brought upon her family by refusing this bizarre and, quite frankly, absurd, tradition.

 

No person is secondary enough to warrant her father or uncle in a far-off land choosing who they should share the rest of their lives with. It's a disgusting tradition that undermines not only women, but the age-old institution of love. Which, however soppy that may sound, is kind of important when deciding who's going to be fathering your children and climbing on top of you every night.

 

It's a marriage of 'convenience' and not 'love' - and 'convenient' relationships only work because they have to - a relationship borne of something so wholly unnatural and demeaning will only work because, if it doesn't, the woman, that piece of meat who's had this person foisted on her and who is, actually, physically and mentally repulsed by this person someone else has chosen for her, will be castigated, banished from her family and children and, in some cases, brutally beaten up or murdered.

 

You can defend Islam and all it stand for until you're blue in the face, Scott, but to try to sit there and defend arranged marriages - you're undermining every other argument and viewpoint you profess to hold dear on here. Especially those about equality for women.

Scott, you're talking about many hundreds of years ago when women were viewed throughout the world as nothing more than child-bearers. And even in these times, a marriage was very rarely 'forced' - and I doubt there were many cases of the woman refusing then being beaten to death with a shovel by her father and uncle......

 

Muslim 'arranged' marriages are nothing more than 'forced' marriage - if the woman refuses, she is a family outcast, a shame on her family, and the more hardline of the Muslim families are often violent with the girls in question due to the 'shame' she has brought upon her family by refusing this bizarre and, quite frankly, absurd, tradition.

 

No person is secondary enough to warrant her father or uncle in a far-off land choosing who they should share the rest of their lives with. It's a disgusting tradition that undermines not only women, but the age-old institution of love. Which, however soppy that may sound, is kind of important when deciding who's going to be fathering your children and climbing on top of you every night.

 

It's a marriage of 'convenience' and not 'love' - and 'convenient' relationships only work because they have to - a relationship borne of something so wholly unnatural and demeaning will only work because, if it doesn't, the woman, that piece of meat who's had this person foisted on her and who is, actually, physically and mentally repulsed by this person someone else has chosen for her, will be castigated, banished from her family and children and, in some cases, brutally beaten up or murdered.

 

You can defend Islam and all it stand for until you're blue in the face, Scott, but to try to sit there and defend arranged marriages - you're undermining every other argument and viewpoint you profess to hold dear on here. Especially those about equality for women.

 

Over 1 in 3 unforced marriages ends in divorce though Russ, so is there really such a thing as a "perfect", happy relationship...? The stats would say otherwise, divorce courts are full of bitter, twisted people knocking several shades of metaphorical sh!te out of each other and their kids mate, it's just as ugly a picture if you ask me, and I'm talking from experience of having parents who got divorced. Love turns to hate all too easily...

 

You seem to forget that the "arranged" marriage works both ways, it's "arranged" for the bloke as well you know.... :lol: :lol: Everything you're arguing there could apply equally to the guy, what if the guy finds the woman repulsive....? :P Might interest you to know that in Pakistan, in many cases, women actually have a choice of several suitors, not just the one, so, who's in the slightly better position here, the blokes, who have to "put on a show", or the woman...? :lol: :lol: It's nowhere near as simple as you or I think it is....

 

Like I said, I'm not really for it in principle but I have seen instances where it does seem to be working out perfectly well... And why do you keep insisting that it's only Islam that practices this...? It happens in cultures all over the world mate, to lesser or greater extents.... Some Christian countries and certain States in the US engage in some sort of "arrangements"....

 

Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Mormons and their beliefs that blokes can have several wives...? Just interested is all....

I have to say I agree with Russ on this one.

 

Scott, when you go on about unforced marrages ending in divorce, the point is tho that they chose the relationship themselves, it was not put upone them, they fell in love with eachother naturally, they didn't have to chose one from a bunch under pressure.

Point 1 - And you're honestly trying to tell me you wouldn't do the same thing with a fellow British mate if you were abroad... Dont lie, 'course you would....

 

point 1.... i cant speak any other language so it aint a choice.

Scott, when you go on about unforced marrages ending in divorce, the point is tho that they chose the relationship themselves

 

True, but that doesn't take away from the damage that's done to themselves or to any kids concerned when it all goes t*ts up does it...? And seeing as how in many cases divorces happen because one partner is unfaithful, it just seems like the whole "lovey, dovey happiness" angle is just one big fat lie anyway, or at the least, kinda transient....

 

I'm just saying nothing's perfect.... Frankly, I dont have much respect for the institution of marriage tbh - arranged or otherwise.... -_-