In short if it was the choice between the BNP's beliefs & Islamic Fundamentalism, then the BNP (although clearly racist & vile) is the lesser of two evils.

 

I doubt you'd say that if you were black or Jewish.... BOTH are as bad as each other... The BNP gives the impression of respectability, but what the hell do you think they'd start doing if they actually got elected...? You clearly have no idea what you are saying....

 

Well, I'd rather see that than hard working immigrants being turfed out.. And if you were to ask me if I'd rather have the chavs or the immigrants chucked out the country, I'd choose the former option for definite.... It's Chav/Ned "culture" regardless of whatever race or creed these maggost are that's grown to an increase in criminality and a lack of respect than it is the hard working immigrant community....

 

And you couldn't realistically do anything to stop French, Germans, Poles, Scandinavians or other EU citizens coming here anyway, we've signed the Treaty of Rome, and I for one am glad of that (as I suspect Morrissey is in reality also..), I like having the freedom of choice where I want to live and work within Europe.. I am European after all.... You could only really stop the folks from outside the EU from getting in, and yeah, that would include Americans, Aussies, South Africans, Canadians, Israelis etc, they may speak English, but they are NOT Europeans, therefore should have to meet whatever criteria that would be set for Asians, Africans or Arabs..... So long as the policy and criteria is fair for ALL those from outwith the EU, then I have no problems with that, I would only have problems if favouratism was shown to white Americans, Aussies, Canadians or South Africans..... You dont actually realise the amount of "invisible" immigration that there is from those particular countries because they're white and predominately speak English, but, trust me, there are MANY thousands of Americans, Australians, etc emigrating here, you just dont notice it, but if you went to the centre of, say, Edinburgh, about every second person you'd hear talking would be an Aussie or Kiwi.... A national newspaper actually placed the numbers of US and Australian immigration for the past five years ahead of countries like Pakistan....

 

im not saying ban ALL immigration, im not saying 'send all the buggers home'... its a question of balance and sustainability... as t.i.p. has underlined in his post quoting katie fcukin melua! this country simply cannot accomodate europe.

I totally agree.

 

It really says something when UK university educated & nationalised first generation immigrants Katie Melua & Myleene Klass make the same points on BBC1 The Politics Show & Radio5 Live respectively within the last few days.

 

As Myleene Klass rightly pointed out in reference to a certain vilification of Stephen Patrick Morrissey, if a white person expressed that opinion they'd be labelled a racist by the politically correct left-wing media.

 

Whilst Katie Melua expressed her amazement at the way the majority christian caucasian population are oppressed from expressing their opinions, such as celebrating St George's day for fear of being accused of being Nationalistic and hence a step away from the BNP. She also sited the current numbers of immigrants coming into the UK is unsustainable on the already over stretched infrastructure, where the UK has the highest levels of taxation, the most congested roads, the highest cost of public transport, the highest cost of houses in the Western World and now the fastest growing population largely thanks to the influx of Eastern European immigrants post 2004.

 

She also expressed her amazement at the hypocrisy of the British left wing media who think the BNP should be banned, whilst being utterly apologetic for Islamic Fundamentalism such as Sharia law where males are regarded as having the same say as two females; adult males can have sex with minors (if you are a Christian you'd be labelled a paedophile); homosexuality is illegal & those who practise it should be executed; a no tolerance of any other religious denominations; rape victims have little to no right and are often blamed & further punished for encouraging males to violate them......

 

In short if it was the choice between the BNP's beliefs & Islamic Fundamentalism, then the BNP (although clearly racist & vile) is the lesser of two evils.

 

We don't have the highest levels of taxation in the western world. Perhaps if we did we'd have better public transport etc. but that's a separate issue.

 

You say the "left wing media" want the BNP banned. What left-wing media? If you're referring to papers like the Guardian, they have never csalled for the BNP to be banned.

We don't have the highest levels of taxation in the western world. Perhaps if we did we'd have better public transport etc. but that's a separate issue.

 

You say the "left wing media" want the BNP banned. What left-wing media? If you're referring to papers like the Guardian, they have never csalled for the BNP to be banned.

 

Katie Melua is just talking complete and utter sh!te about the Left Wing media.... I have NEVER seen a left-wing political writer or analyst make an argument in favour of Sharia Law, what utter nonsense, she wants to stick to wittering her crappy folk pop and leave the serious political analysis for people who actually know what the hell they're on about...

 

What I have seen in the Left Wing media is the opposition to things like Control Orders, detention for indefintie periods without trial, the rampant authoritarianism that is taking over this country and the direct scapegoating, stereotyping and vilification in the media of muslims, this does not in ANY WAY WHATSO-FUKKIN-EVER equate to a support of Sharia Law... In fact, it is entirely within the remit of Leftist views, to be against authoritarianism and to be against bigotry towards people simply on grounds of religion or race.... It was the Leftists who were instrumental in their fight to overturn the convictions of Irish Catholics falsely accused of the Birmingham and Guildford pub bombings, and it was the Leftists who were opposed to the govt reporting restrictions on Sinn Fein, internment, as well as the targeting of innocent Irish Catholics by the predominately Protestant RUC and the British occupying forces.... We on the left do NOT discriminate in whose rights we fight for, shame the same cannot be said for certain people on this forum..... <_<

 

And Katie Melua, I believe, is of SPANISH origin herself, so her parents obviously enjoyed the "freedom" to move around Europe and settle wherever they wished, it is entirely hypocritical for her to then suggest that others should not be afforded the same privelege, which is something to Morrissey's complete credit did NOT suggest lest his own situation as an immigrant in Rome be rather untenable - Moz is NOT a hypocrite, Melua IS, simple as...... There's a saying about "people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones", something that Katie Melua and others who are either immigrants or descended from immigrants need to bear in mind before they start spouting sh!t if you ask me.....

We don't have the highest levels of taxation in the western world. Perhaps if we did we'd have better public transport etc. but that's a separate issue.

 

You say the "left wing media" want the BNP banned. What left-wing media? If you're referring to papers like the Guardian, they have never csalled for the BNP to be banned.

 

but wheres the benefits gone from north sea oil... without that id bet taxation but direct and indirect would be the highest in europe.

but wheres the benefits gone from north sea oil... without that id bet taxation but direct and indirect would be the highest in europe.

That's a rather strange point. After all, if the Monaco's casinos weren't all state-owned, what would their tax rates be? Whatever the answer, I'm certain you're wrong. Our tax rates are far lower than a number of Scandinavian countries for instance. Funnily enough, we have worse public services than those countries. That's not a coincidence.

That's a rather strange point. After all, if the Monaco's casinos weren't all state-owned, what would their tax rates be? Whatever the answer, I'm certain you're wrong. Our tax rates are far lower than a number of Scandinavian countries for instance. Funnily enough, we have worse public services than those countries. That's not a coincidence.

 

without a detailed accurate breakdown though...its all speculation. maybe scananavian countries dont have so many indirect taxes...

without a detailed accurate breakdown though...its all speculation. maybe scananavian countries dont have so many indirect taxes...

 

Or perhaps in Scandinavian countries most of the money that goes into public services doesn't disappear down huge, gaping financial black holes.... Ohhhh, like, I dunno, An NHS IT system that costs BILLONS and doesn't bloody work properly..... <_<

without a detailed accurate breakdown though...its all speculation. maybe scananavian countries dont have so many indirect taxes...

Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes overall than the UK. In the developed world, we are about half way.

It is time income tax was abolished in this country and VAT raised to 25-30% instead so that high spenders pay the most tax as opposed to high earners

 

 

It is time income tax was abolished in this country and VAT raised to 25-30% instead so that high spenders pay the most tax as opposed to high earners

It would also mean the least well-off would pay more tax than they do now so it's unacceptable to me.

It is time income tax was abolished in this country and VAT raised to 25-30% instead so that high spenders pay the most tax as opposed to high earners

 

Nonsense.

Like Suedehead says, that would lead to the poorer being hit harder.

Those on low income are going to have spend the vast majority of their income on essentials; under your rules they'd be taxed 25-30% on nearly all of their income. The high earners who can afford to save; they'll be taxed more in terms of pure monetary value, but they'll be taxed LESS in terms of proportion of their income.

It is time income tax was abolished in this country and VAT raised to 25-30% instead so that high spenders pay the most tax as opposed to high earners

 

Absolute rubbish! VAT adversely affects the poorest members of society, there is NO CHOICE with things like VAT on heating, lighting, phones (and yes, I WOULD say having a telephone -a landline at the very least - is an essential...), etc, unless you think that people should live in darkness, freeze to death and not be able to communicate with the outside world.. I would scrap VAT entirely, except in cases of luxuries like fancy restaurants, booze, ciggies and such, and put up direct taxes.. I absolutely detest "Stealth Taxes" (a TORY idea, so unsurprisingly Craig is in favour of them..LOL), as far as I'm concerned it's bloody thieving from the poor..... <_<