i think that alot of stories in the bible where ment to be stories to have fun to read along to

but maybe somethings could be connected to god

 

Yeah, a bit like Aesop's Fables or things like Homer's Odyssey, Greek Mythology and so on..... That's pretty much how I view all religions....

 

Why should the Bible or the Koran have more credibility than Greek, Roman or Egyptian mythology...?

 

So you´re a christian but don´t believe in heaven, how is that possible?

I was brought up a Christian, is what I mean, and I still consider myself a Christian, but now that i'm older I have started to question it somewhat....

Is it really a reasonable explanation to Life that God created everything that exists?

 

The bible is obviously flawed as scientific fact has proven that we evolved from single celled organism's, making it impossible for there to have been an Adam and an Eve. This brings the Bibles authenticity into question. It was written by men, therefore it may not be accurate or even true for that matter.

 

Perhaps there is a Higher Being of some sort though...

 

I'll wait to see what other peoples thoughts are before continuing..

 

 

it depends upon what this 'higher being' or 'god' is...

 

we are here, we exist so clearly something is at play in the universe. whatever natural laws are at play here could be construed as 'god', after all the universe exists and something with order and creativity is at play. it might be nothing more then a law of physics, complexed though it may be, or some higher intelligence .. personally i believe the former to be more likely then some supreme entity...

I was having this conversation the other day at school with someone who is a Christian.

 

I don't believe in God. I've watched to many science programs to believe in God. I just don't believe there could be something up there to be honest. I'm not sure what my thoughts are on how the universe started. It's all so confusing to think about it.

God does not exist, its a load of c**p as far as I am concerned

 

My father worked hard every day of his life and was a decent and kind family man who had time for anyone and always looked after each and every one of my family when we had problems and then he was struck down with an illness that gave him a horrible lingering death where his body was so ravaged by disease he couldn't even brush his own teeth and had to be fed through a tube while chavs, kiddy fiddlers, rapists etc get by in good health so if what my dad went through is down to god then god is a c**t :angry: :angry: :angry:

Well yes I DO believe in the fact that there is a God or 'higher being'. Sure, it's more or less proven that Adam and Eve didn't exist and it is pretty farfetched believing that there was a star that the 'Three Wisemen' followed to get to the birth of Jesus. People would therefore say that the Bible is flawed or incorrect. True, it is faulty at points but I believe that these stories in the Bible are not to be interpreted in the 'literalist' sense. The good majority of the stories are quite strange sounding in the modern day and age but MAYBE that is because they were so ridiculously hyped in an attempt to represent what happened. Sure, the story of Adam and Eve may not have happened but it could just be a mere representation of a higher being that DOES have control of man.

 

Meh, that's my opinion anyway.

theres a difference though between accepting the possible existence of a 'god' (whos existence science cannot disprove, indeed the more science looks at the origins of the universe, the more the argument for an 'orchestrator' grows! ), and accepting a religious text book (who all claim to be the 'truth'). imho christianity along with all the other ortodox religions are utter bollox! non stand up to any form of scrutiny at all, relying on 'blind faith' ..... <_<. believing something to be the truth doesnt make it 'the truth'.

Why should the Bible or the Koran have more credibility than Greek, Roman or Egyptian mythology...?

 

Because if you make fun of them you never know if fanatics will explode you.

 

God does not exist, its a load of c**p as far as I am concerned

 

My father worked hard every day of his life and was a decent and kind family man who had time for anyone and always looked after each and every one of my family when we had problems and then he was struck down with an illness that gave him a horrible lingering death where his body was so ravaged by disease he couldn't even brush his own teeth and had to be fed through a tube while chavs, kiddy fiddlers, rapists etc get by in good health so if what my dad went through is down to god then god is a c**t :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

Well, but being a Christian doesn´t mean you won´t suffer in this life... Jesus himself was crucified. I guess that´s the meaning of that religion, anyway... And people do not live for this world, but they believe any suffering here is irrelevant compared to the joy of eternal life beside God. <<< That´s what they teached me.

The Adam and Eve thing doesn't sound very convincing anyway. I said to my friend that if they had Kain and Able (and I think they had another son didn't they?) then surely that's the end? Unless God made more humans??

So confusing.

Well, but being a Christian doesn´t mean you won´t suffer in this life... Jesus himself was crucified. I guess that´s the meaning of that religion, anyway... And people do not live for this world, but they believe any suffering here is irrelevant compared to the joy of eternal life beside God. <<< That´s what they teached me.

 

 

question it..... where is this eternal life? nothing lasts forever, would anyone really want eternal life? that sounds to me like hell!

 

the problem i have with orthodox religion is that they preach it as it is the only way, it is the truth, no matter wether you are muslim, christian, jew or whatever.. who says which one is right? could it be that god almighty, the omnipotent being, creator of the whole universe and all its highly complex systems of life, failed to get a basic message across to us?..

 

im a father, and if i wanted to save my kids from death then id make bloody sure that they understood the consequences of their actions and not confuse the whole issue with contradictory doctrines!

 

id urge everyone to keep the concept of 'god' and the 'god' in any religion seperate.... look at the magnificence of the universe, how precise it is, then compare 'the word of god' as is portrayed in religious texts...... clearly they do not have the same author!

Yeaahhh, I'm way agnostic about all this God jazz personally.

For me it's the whole "If God is both benevolent and omnipotent, why is there natural suffering" etc.

 

I agree with Lucy, it obvz is just super confusing.

Not being funny (I'm tipsy) but is GOD all you guys ever flipping talk about? I mean come on here this has been on CC an everyfink...Getting boring now.

 

Anyway DIDO FAN you remind me of CINDY cos she don't have a clue what to do with her apostrophes either :) Not being funny or owt.

 

I don't believe in god I never have, I think there is a reason why we are here but it has nowt to do with the man upstairs. That's just brain washing, thankfully my dad never believed (he has his own brain) otherwise we'd have had to go to church but for some weird reason if I see a church I get repelled and cross over the road! I'm rambeling I'll shut up, I've been through all this before with Daniel Jordan and Tyrees...whatever his face..

question it..... where is this eternal life? nothing lasts forever, would anyone really want eternal life? that sounds to me like hell!

 

If nothing lasts forever, then this must include the rule of nothing lasts forever... So this rule is supposed to end one day, and some things will last forever then....

 

Even if the universe doesn´t last forever, and someday everything we know ends, then what will be next will be a complete emptiness, and this emptiness will last forever...

 

If you think you won´t last forever, then when you die what will be is your inexistence... And then your inexistence will last forever.

 

See, this rule doesn´t aply.

i think there's something bigger than us out there. not sure what it is though or what i should call it.

Domt' ask me why, but I find myself fascinated by Greek mythology. All the different types of gods and mythical creatures, it seems like such a fantasy, yet it is probably as cerdible as all the other theories: after all, they havent disproved it have they?

 

I believe there is a higher force, I would like to think that there is many, like in Greek mythology, each God/higher being having a certain thign to look after and nuture, and on the other side one evil that tries to combat it.

 

There has to be a higher power. Sure, there was the big bang, but before that there was a dark matter. Where did the things that make the dark matter come from, surely they could not have just appeared. I suppose that is a bit like the chicken and the egg theory, everyone has there different opinions. back on topic, I do believe there is a higher power.

 

It's something that everyone wonders, does anybody know where you go when you die? heaven? hell? or do u just lie in your coffin and never experience anything every again? I suppose it's just a mystery of life.

:lol:

No, not Wiccan.

 

All you are talking about is connecting to your inner consciouness, something that is dismissed by a large section of modern society, partly because of religion and partly because of science(science being a certain believe system like religion anywy), but is still a intergal part of many older societies. Wiccan is one such example where this particular knowledge seems not to have been lost.

 

 

you are spot on here, i have experimented with 'inner consciousness' , healing, astral projection, auras, all that hippy stuff. lol. there is within everyones capeability the latent capacity to do these things.. ive had some experiences and think that as the human being evolves (we are the latest model, not the finished product) we should be tapping in to these emerging powers. maybe higher beings have already done this.

 

i think old pagan (wiccan) ways had some idea of them, in the past people werent polluted by modern thoughts, science, technology, and were at one with the natural world in which they existed. i believe that forces in nature (and everything that exist is a condensation of 'force') and the inherant human capacity to use nature has been lost.

 

experimentation with certain halluciogenic fungus (that grows wild and naturally in this country, and was used by the ancients as a tool for enlightenment) does open up a whole new way of viewing 'reality'.

 

i believe in the possibility of the here and now being only 1 facet of a multi dimensional 'multiverse' in which everything ever co-exists in this one space, and the use of conscious enhancing substances opens up the door to seeing and understanding (in a very basic way) the possibilities that is life/existance. i think that future, higher developed decendants of ours will be able to access these places and maybe find.... god ?

God does not exist, its a load of c**p as far as I am concerned

 

My father worked hard every day of his life and was a decent and kind family man who had time for anyone and always looked after each and every one of my family when we had problems and then he was struck down with an illness that gave him a horrible lingering death where his body was so ravaged by disease he couldn't even brush his own teeth and had to be fed through a tube while chavs, kiddy fiddlers, rapists etc get by in good health so if what my dad went through is down to god then god is a c**t :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

Yes but not only your father has suffered like that, and according to my beliefs jesus suffered just as bad probably worse then your father, who died so that you could go to heaven.

 

I believe in God, and before we turn what i have said into a debate lets just say you have your beliefs and i have mine.

experimentation with certain halluciogenic fungus (that grows wild and naturally in this country, and was used by the ancients as a tool for enlightenment) does open up a whole new way of viewing 'reality'.

 

No, it only does make you get high... If you are to believe in everything you see or feel when you´re under the effects of drugs, then you get crazy. It doesn´t open your mind for reality, it only makes you see weird things that don´t exist.

No, it only does make you get high... If you are to believe in everything you see or feel when you´re under the effects of drugs, then you get crazy. It doesn´t open your mind for reality, it only makes you see weird things that don´t exist.

 

 

 

erm... how many times have you used them?..

 

it does alter your state of consciousness which when you have a stable mind does make you see things that you know arnt there, but does act as inspiration artistically and spiritually . it opens doors to possibilities.

 

also you cant dismiss the effects that halluciogenic drugs have had on the world of art and literature... alice in wonderland?...lol.. where do you think concepts like that came from? music? not only pop, psychedelic music but nearly all the great classical composers used drugs! even tv programmes like 'southpark' draw on the imagination stimulated by drugs. art? many great masterpieces are drugs influenced, as is a large part of world ethnic art, from the american indians, aztecs, incas, to the great cultures of the east...

 

bottom line is..... without the use of drugs our art/music/literature heritage would be so much poorer.