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the TATA NANO

This new vehicle, will probably never be seen on Top Gear, but is quite imporatent as it is the new Tata Nano - the world cheapest car. It's made by the people who brought you the CityRover and will sell for 100000 rupees - £1277 in developing countries like India and South Asia and then other BRIC countries.

However environmentalists say the polution caused by produing loads and loads of these little cars will just damage the planet even more - as loads of people in India will be able to buy them and so be very damaging to the enviroment

but chair of the company Ratan Tata is making the car because its a safer mode of transport for families to use than 4 of tham riding on a scooter.

so is this a good development?

or is it gonna be as harmful to the planet as all those big Jaguars and huge big Range Rovers and Land-Rover SUV's??

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Oh my goodness! :o

 

That's one of the WORST cars I've seen! Yuck.

Oh my goodness! :o

 

That's one of the WORST cars I've seen! Yuck.

 

so will that be the Nano or the CityRover??? :lol:

 

lets hope the Chinese dont blatantly copy the Nano as well and put it into production - world be overloaded!!!

Why can't they leave the "developed" countries alone and mind their own business for a change? We've got pollution issues ourselves so before going to tell someone else, deal with yourself first.

That red x looks disgusting.

^ Oh wow you're funny.

good idea!

 

its about time decent cheap cars were produced. all too often vehicles are full of unnessercery gadgets and 'luxury', let alone 'performance'. on our congested roads those vehicles are a complete waste of space so to produce small cheap efficient cars is a good idea..especially for town/city travel.

 

but they wont take off.... because they are seen as 'uncool', just look at some of the comments already on this thread <_<, so we will go on polluting, spending, and all so we can 'look good'.....

It might be good but it's actually very ugly looking.

 

http://www.gadgetzone.nl/images/tatanano2.jpg

 

:puke:

I wouldn't personally buy one of these but they are 100 times better looking than these bloody Corsa's and Saxo's with chav body kits on that most young ppl seem to buy

 

Cars will not be properly environmental until such time as there is not a dependency on oil, when cars are designed to run on solar power and so on without the need for oil and petrol that will be far more environment friendly

good idea!

 

its about time decent cheap cars were produced. all too often vehicles are full of unnessercery gadgets and 'luxury', let alone 'performance'. on our congested roads those vehicles are a complete waste of space so to produce small cheap efficient cars is a good idea..especially for town/city travel.

 

but they wont take off.... because they are seen as 'uncool', just look at some of the comments already on this thread <_<, so we will go on polluting, spending, and all so we can 'look good'.....

 

well obv the mindset is different in countries like India to those of the UK - where style rules so much and the need to be seen as cool is so embedded in our culture.

 

the tata nano will never be sold in this country but for those developing countries ytou can see why there is a need for it to be produced

 

even now Renault-Nissan are working on a car to go even cheaper than their £3000/Eur5000 car - the Dacia Logan (as pictured below) - to be produced in India as a rival to Tata's Nano.

 

the Dacia Logan has been a big big hit in Europe and North Africa (you may have seen it in Bourne 3 as the police car in Morrocco) as its a lot off car for little money - but obv the English being all snobs i guess we will never see it here as its a different culture.

 

think we'll have to keep to all out luxery cars and SUVs (of which Tata is in line to buy Land-Rover)

 

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It might be good but it's actually very ugly looking.

 

http://www.gadgetzone.nl/images/tatanano2.jpg

 

:puke:

 

well i think it looks abit like an approximation of the Mitsubishi i Car - and thst little car is supposed to be like a megahit in Japan. one of the coolest cars - but the culture is so different in Japan innit

 

http://www.speedace.info/automotive_directory/car_images/Mitsubishi_i_keicar.jpg

I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it's good that developing countries will have access to a cheaper car and more people will be able to afford the luxury of car-ownership that rich (relative) westerners have enjoyed for decades.

 

On the other hand, automobiles are not SUSTAINABLE. It is simply impossible for everyone in India and China to own vehicles. The Earth cannot sustain that. It would immediately double the number of vehicles in the world. Oil would be gone virtually instantly. The pollution would send major cities into perpetual darkness. I mean, it's just not even an option. And it's almost irresponsible to unleash a million new gasoline powered cars on the earth.

 

But again, it's not exactly fair for rich countries to tell developing countries that they can't have what we have...

Well we can't keep standing in the way of these countries progress and shouting "bad for the environment" all the time.

 

It just seems like another attempt at trying to suppress these peoples right to the same lifestyle that we have.

I find it all rather racist in a very subtle, patronising way.

It just seems like another attempt at trying to suppress these peoples right to the same lifestyle that we have.

I find it all rather racist in a very subtle, patronising way.

 

All I'm saying is that if India and China reach the same levels of automobile ownership as the West, there will be 1 billion new cars. The number of cars in the world will triple. Unless new technologies are embraced (and this Tata doesn't appear to be a hybrid), that will wreck utter havoc on the Earth. I'm not making a judgment about who deserves to own a car, just stating a fact.

Well we can't keep standing in the way of these countries progress and shouting "bad for the environment" all the time.

 

It just seems like another attempt at trying to suppress these peoples right to the same lifestyle that we have.

I find it all rather racist in a very subtle, patronising way.

 

All well and good to say that, but the 'racism' debate wont mean a whole hell of a lot when the environment's fukked because a billion new cars went on the road and started pumping toxic c**p into the atmosphere... It's not racism to say that this simply is NOT sustainable in environmental terms... It is certainly true that America does remain the world's biggest polluter and I have nothing but contempt for them not signing up to Kyoto or doing something to curb the rampant ownership of SUVs (just what the fukk do you need a sodding ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE in downtown LA or New York for anyway ffs....? <_< ), and I am in total agreement with London Mayor Ken Livingstone's attempts to try and do something about the congestion and pollution problems in London.. So, racist to be concerned by the potential consequences of more than a billion MORE cars on the roads...? I dont think so....

 

The facts are that the Internal Combustion engine is about 60 years out of date, and ALL attempts that were made in the past to have cars running on cheaper fuel (such as alcohol, oil seed rape, and even water!!!) were suppressed by the petroleum industry... Yes, there really was an engine developed that could run on water....

 

The facts are that the Internal Combustion engine is about 60 years out of date, and ALL attempts that were made in the past to have cars running on cheaper fuel (such as alcohol, oil seed rape, and even water!!!) were suppressed by the petroleum industry... Yes, there really was an engine developed that could run on water....

 

The problem too is that combustion engines are so cheap. Developing countries are using the absolute cheapest, dirtiest methods to industrialize, especially China. Of course, that's how all the developed countries did it too. But we didn't know the damage we were causing 200 years ago, and there certainly weren't clean technologies back then.

 

I think part of the responsibility lies with the Western countries who currently have all the patents on clean technologies, mostly European companies. They should be made affordable for developing countries to take advantage of.

well obv the mindset is different in countries like India to those of the UK - where style rules so much and the need to be seen as cool is so embedded in our culture.

 

the tata nano will never be sold in this country but for those developing countries ytou can see why there is a need for it to be produced

 

even now Renault-Nissan are working on a car to go even cheaper than their £3000/Eur5000 car - the Dacia Logan (as pictured below) - to be produced in India as a rival to Tata's Nano.

 

the Dacia Logan has been a big big hit in Europe and North Africa (you may have seen it in Bourne 3 as the police car in Morrocco) as its a lot off car for little money - but obv the English being all snobs i guess we will never see it here as its a different culture.

 

think we'll have to keep to all out luxery cars and SUVs (of which Tata is in line to buy Land-Rover)

 

http://images.worldcarfans.com/articles/2006/9/12/6060912.001/6060912.001.1M.jpg

well i think it looks abit like an approximation of the Mitsubishi i Car - and thst little car is supposed to be like a megahit in Japan. one of the coolest cars - but the culture is so different in Japan innit

 

http://www.speedace.info/automotive_directory/car_images/Mitsubishi_i_keicar.jpg

 

As far as i am aware the Dacia Logan, Also reffered to as the Renault Logan in places where Renault has not previously had a presence, will be coming to the UK in 2009 as part of their "Commitment 2009" Program

 

All I'm saying is that if India and China reach the same levels of automobile ownership as the West, there will be 1 billion new cars. The number of cars in the world will triple. Unless new technologies are embraced (and this Tata doesn't appear to be a hybrid), that will wreck utter havoc on the Earth. I'm not making a judgment about who deserves to own a car, just stating a fact.

 

Consie I wasn't directing that comment at you in particular directly. Sorry bout that.

 

In general.....

I think the hybrid along with less car ownership in the West can help India and China along too.

Say only 1 car per family? Sooner or later, we are going to start making sacrifices so other people in the world can progress to.

 

And the word racist was out of context in the regard Grimm your right.

 

 

As far as i am aware the Dacia Logan, Also reffered to as the Renault Logan in places where Renault has not previously had a presence, will be coming to the UK in 2009 as part of their "Commitment 2009" Program

 

Well last I heard they thought that it might be a bit too basic for the snobs of the UK but were thinking of bringing in the Renault Sandero as a Dacia as its a bit more deluxe and some people might know of / remember the [ARO] Dacia Duster and Dacia 1300 (think this was known as "the very agreeable Dacia Denim" or something like that in UK advertising - tho only the Romania embassy ever bought one in the UK - so legends of c**p cars tell us :lol:)

 

maybe if the logan was branded as the Nissan Aprio as in Mexico, Nissan UK could put a Union flag badge on it like the CityRover :lol:

 

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