February 4, 200817 yr The Rangers vs Celtic games are heavily riddled with sectarian chants. theres a google ad at the bottom of this page that reads: "Lewis Hamilton in racism storm. Spanish yobs vile attack on F1 ace" obviously it links to the sun website, but to me it screams hypocrisy Total hypocricy :manson: especially from a paper that refers to French and Germans as frogs and krauts One of the chants going round football grounds atm is a chant towards the black African footballer Emanuelle Adebayor and it goes "Adebayor, Adebayor, your dad washes elephants and your mums a whore" both pandering to the crude racial stereotypes of Africans yet where are the headlines of "Adebayor in racism storm. English yobs vile attack on Togo ace" ???? Total bloody hypocricy
February 4, 200817 yr exactly. Spain could lose its place on the Formula 1 calendar unless its motorsport authorities can convince the FIA that it will stamp out the kind of racist abuse witnessed at last weekend’s Barcelona test, ITV-F1.com has learned. Lewis Hamilton became the focal point of insults against McLaren by disaffected Spanish spectators, who believe Fernando Alonso was treated unfairly by the British squad last year when he was team-mate to the F1 rookie. Hamilton was reportedly jeered and booed as he made his way from the McLaren motorhome to the pit lane and offensive banners were seen in the spectator enclosures. Track officials took steps to quell the situation, ordering barriers to be erected around the McLaren end of the paddock, deploying extra security guards in the grandstands, and clearing the area above McLaren’s garage to protect the car from debris that was being thrown at it as Hamilton left the garage. However, the FIA has made it clear that it will not tolerate a repeat of last weekend’s events in any circumstances. A spokesman for the governing body said: “The FIA is surprised and disappointed at the abuse directed at Lewis Hamilton. “Abuse of this kind is a clear breach of the principles enshrined in the FIA statutes and any repetition will result in serious sanctions.” ITV-F1.com understands that such sanctions include the possibility of Spain being stripped of both its races on the world championship calendar – the long-standing fixture at Barcelona and the new European Grand Prix at Valencia. The FIA has asked Spain’s national motorsport federation to produce a full report explaining what happened in the Barcelona test and detailing what steps will be taken to prevent a recurrence. The governing body is determined not to allow F1 to be tainted by racism of the kind that has tarnished other sports. Spanish football has a recent history of such problems, with its FA fined £44,750 in 2004 after England players Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips were subjected to sickening monkey chants during a friendly match in Madrid. That incident came just a month after Spain’s national football coach Luis Aragones was fined £2,000 for making derogatory comments about ex-Arsenal ace Thierry HenryIf the brits did that to fernando, or for that matter any other driver i severely doubt anybody in this country would care. oh and another article that is full of bs. The British government’s sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe has called into question whether Spain should continue to have a place on the Formula 1 calendar after Lewis Hamilton was subjected to racist abuse in pre-season testing at Barcelona. The future of both the Catalunya race and the new European Grand Prix at Valencia are in jeopardy unless Spain’s motorsport authorities can convince the FIA they have taken action to prevent a repeat of last Friday’s scenes. Given the racist abuse suffered by English footballers in Spain in recent years, Sutcliffe believes Hamilton’s experience is symptomatic of a wider problem within Spanish sport. “Racism should not be tolerated and this is not the first time British sportsmen have been racially abused in Spain,” he said. “This brings in question whether the grand prix should be held at this track. “I am going to write to the FIA to ask what action they are going to take in response to this. “I am also going to write to the Spanish sports minister to express our ongoing concern about racism suffered by our sportsmen.” Meanwhile the Spanish motorsport federation, the Real Federación Española de Automovilismo, has condemned the racist agitators who it said had tarnished the good name of the vast majority of good-natured Spanish fans. In a statement issued on Monday afternoon, it said: “Following the unpleasant event that took place during the latest Formula 1 testing session in Catalunya, the RFEA wants to clarify the following points. “The Federación wants to show its absolute repulsion at these incomprehensible events, as well as showing its support to the McLaren team and especially to their driver Lewis Hamilton. “Motor racing is a sport where events that detract from cordiality between fans and drivers and teams will not be allowed. “These kind of madmen who confuse sporting rivalry with violence must know that the Federación will have no tolerance with them. “The RFEA wants to make clear that the perpetrators of this incident were a very small group that doesn’t represent the thousands of people who enjoy this sport in a fun and cordial way. “The RFEA also wants to highlight the speed at which the circuit officials removed the offensive banners and the trouble-makers from the stands. “The governing body has asked the circuits to increase their preventive measures to avoid these kinds of incident in the future.” The FIA has asked the REFA to submit a full explanation of what happened at Barcelona last week together with the measures it will put in place to prevent a recurrence. That man is clearly a labour MP who knows nothing about sport, Edited February 4, 200817 yr by f1mad
February 4, 200817 yr Author Until we get our own house in order with regards racism we can't preach to other countries about racism Britain has an appalling reputation for racist behaviour particularly in football by fans but not exclusively football so until we sort out our racists we should not preach to others And one thing I find disturbing is an entire nation being tarred with the brush of a TINY minority of yobs 150,000 attended the testing session over 3 days and those ones who blackened their faces were apparently SIX yes SIX out of 150,000 so its a tiny tiny minority of Spanish people involved in this but the entire nation is getting slagged off because of the actions of maybe a dozen yobs Six......... Six......... You are having a complete and utter laugh aren't you? According to BBC Radio 5 Live's Formula One commentator David Croft tonight he said that it was not an isolated minority but "easily a fifth to a third of the crowds" (of 55,000 who) were hurling abuse at Lewis Hamilton. It was very clear from the audio on Radio Five Live, that this was not a small minority. To have the audacity to compare it to a few sectarian drunken nutters who attend football matches is completely belittling this incident. Reuters.com describes this incident as "Large scale racist abuse", I think you should concentrate on facts and stop showing your blatant hatred for a driver (& your love of a team (Ferrari) founded and funded on facist government money in the 1930s) who hopefully will do to the "white man's sport" of F1 what Tiger Woods did to golf.
February 4, 200817 yr Six......... Six......... You are having a complete and utter laugh aren't you? According to BBC Radio 5 Live's Formula One commentator David Croft tonight he said that it was not an isolated minority but "easily a fifth to a third of the crowds" (of 55,000 who) were hurling abuse at Lewis Hamilton. It was very clear from the audio on Radio Five Live, that this was not a small minority. To have the audacity to compare it to a few sectarian drunken nutters who attend football matches is completely belittling this incident. Croft was not out in the grandstands he was in the commentary booth in the press centre above the pitlane, I have been in the very same press centre before for car launches and it is physically impossible for him unless he has the sonar style hearing of a sperm whale to determine now many people were chanting, its a double even triple glazed press centre packed with 200+ journalists and right above the pitlane where cars are driving in and out, not to mention the fact that there are several grandstands all over the circult with only 1 visible from the pitlane press centre, he could not determine how many were making noise he is lying through his teeth or prone to exaggerating When I said 6 I was referring to those that blackened their faces and put on t shirts saying "Hamilton family"
February 4, 200817 yr OOOh God. :manson: That wasn't racism. We are in carnival so people were dressed like Hamilton's Grandma and on their T-shirts said: Alonso is The Number 1 AND There were banners where we were against Hamilton bc of everything he has done. But not because he's black Please, try to end the racism and don't waste the time with this foolishness :drama:
February 4, 200817 yr OOOh God. :manson: That wasn't racism. We are in carnival so people were dressed like Hamilton's Grandma and on their T-shirts said: Alonso is The Number 1 AND There were banners where we were against Hamilton bc of everything he has done. But not because he's black Please, try to end the racism and don't waste the time with this foolishness :drama: unfortunately GB is highly hypocritical when it comes to this kind of stuff. yet, when alonso comes to Silverstone for the British GP you can bet your house he'll get ripped to shreds by the tabloids and he'll be chanted at
February 4, 200817 yr Author OOOh God. :manson: That wasn't racism. We are in carnival so people were dressed like Hamilton's Grandma and on their T-shirts said: Alonso is The Number 1 AND There were banners where we were against Hamilton bc of everything he has done. But not because he's black Please, try to end the racism and don't waste the time with this foolishness :drama: This above statement sums up why Spain has got a reputation worldwide for racism. If you think the behaviour of the crowd was acceptable, then quite frankly you and your countrymen need educating. Remember the last time England played in Spain in a friendly: c1LS6Lj4ehM Spain v England 16-11-2004 Still I suppose the monkey chants by the crowd towards Shaun Wright Phillips, Ashley Cole, Emile Heskey, Rio Ferdinand that night were not because of their skin colour. :rolleyes: Likewise, I suppose you think it is OK to have your National Football manager call French international footballer Thierry Henry "a lazy n*****" perfectly acceptable as it was a critique not racist abuse. :angry:
February 4, 200817 yr Of course not. What Aragones did was totally unacceptable. But SPAIN isn't racist SOME, SOME spanish people are. But some spanish people are some english people are some german people are some french people are etc... We weren't racist to him :drama: And hell yes I'm racist when everyday comes at least 20 africans looking for work, when here are LOTS of black people and i have many "black" friends Plus my mum was borned in Africa. YEAH. Edited February 4, 200817 yr by °• Andrea •°
February 4, 200817 yr I don't see what Hamilton has done though. All he did was race his car and have the support of the media. Anyway back on topic I do kinda agree with both sides of the argument. Some of the stuff English fans do is far worse but this is only a very small proportion. It's down right sick for example when Liverpool or Man Utd fans sing about the Munich disaster of Hillsbrough, it's disrespectful to the familes of the dead and it's down right stick too, but this stuff is very general, it's not aimed at anyone specific and football chants have been apart of football for ages, so people just let it go. The Hamilton stuff is enitrely wrong. I don't care "what he's done" but racism is not tolerated anywhere. It does happen a lot but if it was a large majority of the ground that was doing it then it deserves all the media attention it gets.
February 4, 200817 yr This above statement sums up why Spain has got a reputation worldwide for racism. If you think the behaviour of the crowd was acceptable, then quite frankly you and your countrymen need educating. Remember the last time England played in Spain in a friendly: c1LS6Lj4ehM Spain v England 16-11-2004 Still I suppose the monkey chants by the crowd towards Shaun Wright Phillips, Ashley Cole, Emile Heskey, Rio Ferdinand that night were not because of their skin colour. :rolleyes: Likewise, I suppose you think it is OK to have your National Football manager call French international footballer Thierry Henry "a lazy n*****" perfectly acceptable as it was a critique not racist abuse. :angry: The same thing happens in this country I have been going to football grounds since 1978 and I have heard a lot worse than the examples you gave above What about the English fans that disrespect nations by chanting and singing and booing other countries national anthems in England matches ? What about the particularly but not exclusively West Ham and Chelsea fans that do gas chamber hisses in Spurs games ? What about the opposing fans that chant "shoe bomber" at the muslim footballer Mido ? who bears a slight resemblance to Richard Reid ? What about the bananas and monkey taunts aimed at John Barnes and other black players particlarly in the 80's and 90's ? What about the Adebayor chant when his father is called an elephant washer and his mum a prostitute ? What about the chants aimed at the Korean footballer Y P Lee of "DVD" in a chinese accent every time he touches the ball in games ? What about the chants about Park the korean footballer eating dogs ?? What about the multiple trophy winning football manager and pundit Ron Atkinson labelling Marcel Desailly "a lazy n*****" live on tv ? ALL those are examples of RACIST behaviour by ENGLAND fans so yes while those examples you gave did happen so us condemning Spain for racism is like Ian Huntley writing a book on childcare :manson: :manson:
February 5, 200817 yr Hmm, the only one of them that has actually been well publicised is the Atkinson/Desailly one and he was rightly punished. Do you actually have any proof any of the others happened? If not they must either be completely untrue or incredibly minor. Which this isn't. I also don't think it's fair to compare it to the UK 15-25 years ago. We've come a long way since then. And even if they are all 100% true and accurate? What makes it so this isn't that bad and shouldn't be treated as anything major. From the way you're speaking it's ok for people to be racist towards an innocent man because at some point some people from our country have also been racist. It's utterly ridiculous. Racism is racism. It doesn't matter who by or who it's aimed at, it should NOT be tolerated under any circumstance and just because there have been incidents in the past with lenient punishments does not mean this should get one too. You (and f1Mad) seem to be far too caught up in your own opinions on McLaren, Dennis and Hamilton. Edited February 5, 200817 yr by RabbitFurCoat
February 5, 200817 yr you might wish to reread this thread, neither craig or i have said that it was acceptable. We have just made the point that if it had been a brit doing it to somebody else then it wouldn't have made headlines. This has nothing to do with my dislike for Hamilton/McLaren or my sheer hatred of Ron Dennis
February 5, 200817 yr Six......... Six......... You are having a complete and utter laugh aren't you? According to BBC Radio 5 Live's Formula One commentator David Croft tonight he said that it was not an isolated minority but "easily a fifth to a third of the crowds" (of 55,000 who) were hurling abuse at Lewis Hamilton. It was very clear from the audio on Radio Five Live, that this was not a small minority. To have the audacity to compare it to a few sectarian drunken nutters who attend football matches is completely belittling this incident. Reuters.com describes this incident as "Large scale racist abuse", I think you should concentrate on facts and stop showing your blatant hatred for a driver (& your love of a team (Ferrari) founded and funded on facist government money in the 1930s) who hopefully will do to the "white man's sport" of F1 what Tiger Woods did to golf. I'm with Craig and F1 Mad on this one I'm afraid, racism and sectarianism is still rife within football... The passage I emboldened just says to me that you have NEVER been to an Old Firm game in your life, or indeed ever been to Glasgow during the 'orange marching' season (and yes, they are bloody linked, just about every second person you see lining the streets to these things and shouting "fukkin' Fenian b/astards" is wearing a fukkin' Rangers top... <_< ) I have on both counts, NOT a pretty sight, believe me mate... Sectarianism and a barely suppressed atmosphere of violence goes through those meetings like the word "Blackpool" does through a stick of rock, it is endemic to those particular encounters, it is very, very FAR from being isolated to just a few drunken nutters... And if you listen to the general attitudes of many of these teams' supporters.... Shocking just aint the word...... We cant realistically say a damn thing to Spain while sh!t like this still goes on over here in our sports mate, simple as....
February 5, 200817 yr Exactly Phil What this small minority of loons are doing is wrong and they should be rightfully condemned for it but it is : no worse than English fans in football throwing bananas and making monkey chants no worse than England football fans singing pro protestant and anti catholic songs in games v Ireland no worse than the blatantly racist Adebayor chant at football grounds no worse than nazi salutes against Schumacher by F1 fans no worse than the hissing sound made at football matches against Spurs to imitate the noise of gas chambers and so on and so on, all those examples are committed by ENGLISH sports fans Ban F1 from Spain then football should be banned from England oh come on!!!.... our supporters have cleaned up their act dramatically and most of those examples you gave died out in the 80's!!!
February 5, 200817 yr We cant realistically say a damn thing to Spain while sh!t like this still goes on over here in our sports mate, simple as.... and with attitudes like that nothing will ever change....
February 5, 200817 yr frankly i cant believe you lot are CONDONING this! racism is WRONG pure and simple, no matter where it is or who is doing it.
February 5, 200817 yr you might wish to reread this thread, neither craig or i have said that it was acceptable. We have just made the point that if it had been a brit doing it to somebody else then it wouldn't have made headlines. This has nothing to do with my dislike for Hamilton/McLaren or my sheer hatred of Ron Dennis i disagree...if brits did this to a foreign black racing driver there would be uproar. and i dont agree that it has nothing to do with your hatred for ron dennis, craig has already said that hed like hamilton if he wasnt with dennis...
February 5, 200817 yr Nobody is condoning this though!!!! Racism is wrong no matter who is the victim, or who's giving the abuse.
February 5, 200817 yr i disagree...if brits did this to a foreign black racing driver there would be uproar. and i dont agree that it has nothing to do with your hatred for ron dennis, craig has already said that hed like hamilton if he wasnt with dennis... Ron Dennis and his god awful team have nothing to do with this form my point of view. The point were making is that what the press are getting their knickers in a twist about is a subject that we as a country are not ones to really talk. You hear all the time on the news that a group of england fans have gone somewhere and abused a player. yet within a day or two its all blown over and forgotten about, THIS won't die. You can bet your life that when the Spanish GP comes around ITV-F1 will have their heads up their arses and will spend the day slagging off the Spanish. Hardly a hypocrisy free at is it?
February 5, 200817 yr frankly i cant believe you lot are CONDONING this! racism is WRONG pure and simple, no matter where it is or who is doing it. I don't for one moment condone it, knuckle dragging racism is obscene regardless of nationality but what I am against is Spain bashing by the Brit tabloids and labelling an entire nation because of the behaviour of a tiny minority of its citizens while at the same time racism being a very serious problem in this country with racist songs at football grounds, sectarian violence, as many as 15% of the country voting for the racist BNP party in elections and the vile muslim bashing by the tabloids, until we get our own house in order with regards racism it is wrong of us to judge other nations That is not connected with this incident it is in general, of course any racist behaviour towards Hamilton is disgusting
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