Technically she was bigger in 2001 when Fever came out. :P That album sold 7 million, Body Language 1.8 million and X just 0.8 million globally (so far). :heehee: But whatever the sales I do and always will adore the girl. ^_^

well thats th ebiggest load of rubbish i have read Ayu-Mi-X GOLD have u ever heard of her album impossible princess that alone contradicts everything u have just said

 

Err.. actually it isn't D: She worked with plenty of producers and co-writers at that time, so even if she got involved in the work somewhat it doesn't make her all that creative [even if she chose who she worked with.] The fact is she's a puppet to her producers, lyricists and stylists and I don't really see how that can be denied, no matter how much of a Kylie stan you are D:

 

Everything but the personality part. Kylie is lovely but she seems to never express any opinion or distinct persona of her own. She's literally just a shadow of Dannii's personality who occasionally gives a polite interview. She's a tad dull. :heehee:

 

The music though, is :heart: even if I don't rate X all that highly. Fever and Body Language are amongst my all-time favourite albums.

 

And we do have a Kylie forum - this should be moved there. ;)

 

I wouldnt want this kind of pointless topic in the forum considerig some people pointless and pathetic opinions

 

Err.. actually it isn't D: She worked with plenty of producers and co-writers at that time, so even if she got involved in the work somewhat it doesn't make her all that creative [even if she chose who she worked with.] The fact is she's a puppet to her producers, lyricists and stylists and I don't really see how that can be denied, no matter how much of a Kylie stan you are D:

 

Another pointless post. I agree so doesnt produce, write, style herself blah blah blah but she obv has an input. Then again not many acts do. Even some of the greats dont do everything. Even the amazing Madonna, Michael Jackson etc gets producers in and co write their own stuff. You are not in the recording studio. You are not in the meetings etc to say what she does or doesnt have a hand in just like we are not their to say that she does.

Another pointless post. I agree so doesnt produce, write, style herself blah blah blah but she obv has an input. Then again not many acts do. Even some of the greats dont do everything. Even the amazing Madonna, Michael Jackson etc gets producers in and co write their own stuff. You are not in the recording studio. You are not in the meetings etc to say what she does or doesnt have a hand in just like we are not their to say that she does.

 

I agree. I don't know why people only base their argument on the amount of contribution to each album in order to determine her creativity. :wacko:

I'm sorry but how in any way is my post there rude, pointless or pathetic? Expressing a justified opinion? Don't patronise me please. -_-

On Sunday 16 February it is exactly 20 years since Kylie reached No.1 with her first UK single I Should Be So Lucky.

 

wasnt the locomotion the first in australia??? when was that 21 or 22 years ago???

and how is my point pointless because you don't agree with it dannyboy. It's a well known fact Kylie has little control over her image or the songs, even she will admit it, so i don't see why you don't :rolleyes: Even when she shows the slightest attempts at artistic creativity and self-devlopment, the second it flops on its ass she'll go to milking the gays and the lowest common denominator to get some sales. Sure, Michael & Madonna etc will have people to help them, but the artist themselves will lead the project, unlike Kylie who will do what she's told. She's nothing more than an over glorified Rachel Stevens.. and that's fact.

 

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I'm sorry but how in any way is my post there rude, pointless or pathetic? Expressing a justified opinion? Don't patronise me please. -_-

 

sorry jark thats wasnt meant for you. my apologies

 

and how is my point pointless because you don't agree with it dannyboy. It's a well known fact Kylie has little control over her image or the songs, even she will admit it, so i don't see why you don't :rolleyes: Even when she shows the slightest attempts at artistic creativity and self-devlopment, the second it flops on its ass she'll go to milking the gays and the lowest common denominator to get some sales. Sure, Michael & Madonna etc will have people to help them, but the artist themselves will lead the project, unlike Kylie who will do what she's told. She's nothing more than an over glorified Rachel Stevens.. and that's fact.

 

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no its not a fact at all sorry. you arent there to say what impact she has or doesnt have. Im not saying that she has huge impact but she obv has some. if anything, she has always controlled her image, but now with help from william baker. And milking the gays is wrong, the gays have always been there. Even at her Intimate & Live shows it had the whole camp factor she has always had. She has never turned her back on them

Oh okay, Dannyboy. Sorry for reacting like that in that case. :P

 

I wouldn't say she's 'milked the gays' so much of late, though it comes and goes with each era. Less so with Body Language and perhaps more so with Ultimate Kylie, and with all of her tours. :heehee:

Technically she was bigger in 2001 when Fever came out. :P That album sold 7 million, Body Language 1.8 million and X just 0.8 million globally (so far). :heehee: But whatever the sales I do and always will adore the girl. ^_^

 

it's not because she is less successful, but it's because sales worldwide are getting lower every day....

look at Timbaland he's had the biggest hits worldwide the past year and a half and his album barely sold 1 million in the US...

 

so if 'X' was released in 2001 it would have sold 4 million copies by now....

 

 

and how is my point pointless because you don't agree with it dannyboy. It's a well known fact Kylie has little control over her image or the songs, even she will admit it, so i don't see why you don't :rolleyes: Even when she shows the slightest attempts at artistic creativity and self-devlopment, the second it flops on its ass she'll go to milking the gays and the lowest common denominator to get some sales. Sure, Michael & Madonna etc will have people to help them, but the artist themselves will lead the project, unlike Kylie who will do what she's told. She's nothing more than an over glorified Rachel Stevens.. and that's fact.

 

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longevity in the music buisness is what counts....

Kylie has had a very succesful 21 years in the music buisness and she is one of 2 females artists to do so (Madonna of course being the 1st)...

it isn't a coincidence... Kylie is a charismatic live performer and is a very talented artist...and i'm sure she will stay as succesful for the next 5 years at least.....

 

no its not a fact at all sorry. you arent there to say what impact she has or doesnt have. Im not saying that she has huge impact but she obv has some. if anything, she has always controlled her image, but now with help from william baker. And milking the gays is wrong, the gays have always been there. Even at her Intimate & Live shows it had the whole camp factor she has always had. She has never turned her back on them

And I suppose that you have been in the recording studio to tell me i'm wrong? And plenty of gay fans weren't around in the 90s when she went ~indie~ it wasn't until ''Spinning Around'' when she went blatant with it that any gay fans went back to her. I'm not denying that she hasn't had longevity or that she can't put on a show, i'm just saying she wouldn't be anything without the producers, stylists and lyricists that she needs to work with to keep her somewhat relevent. Even in the era when she had most creative/artistic control, people were still for the most part telling her what to do/collaborating with her, it was just less successful.

 

longevity in the music buisness is what counts....

Kylie has had a very succesful 21 years in the music buisness and she is one of 2 females artists to do so (Madonna of course being the 1st)...

it isn't a coincidence...

 

so longevity is more important than relevance and respect as a musical artist? and what about Nana Mouskouri, Cher, Barbara Streisand etc, they've been going for many decades longer than both Kylie and Madonna.

And I suppose that you have been in the recording studio to tell me i'm wrong? And plenty of gay fans weren't around in the 90s when she went ~indie~ it wasn't until ''Spinning Around'' when she went blatant with it that any gay fans went back to her. I'm not denying that she hasn't had longevity or that she can't put on a show, i'm just saying she wouldn't be anything without the producers, stylists and lyricists that she needs to work with to keep her somewhat relevent. Even in the era when she had most creative/artistic control, people were still for the most part telling her what to do/collaborating with her, it was just less successful.

so longevity is more important than relevance and respect as a musical artist? and what about Nana Mouskouri, Cher, Barbara Streisand etc, they've been going for many decades longer than both Kylie and Madonna.

 

I still dont think she is using her gay fans. She just went back to what she is good at POP MUSIC. Plus you arent in the recording studio to tell me that im wrong either. And quite frankly noone would be around it if wasnt for their producers, stylists and lyricists esp people like cher. I love her but lets be honest she has no input into her songs what so ever. People write for her, she comes in, sings and leaves. And your saying that in the IP era she had people tellng what to do still. Do you know ? Were you there ?. Again im not denying that she doesnt have a 100% input into her music (just like most acts dont) but she has more input than most acts. She has been co-writing most of her music for over 10 years now.

Some artists do not write everything but Kylie is entirely disjointed from everything. She has a sole niche market; the gays. She's a one girl Girls Aloud. Everything seems so prosthetic about her. What is she in control of genuinely? 'X' was a disjointed, plastic and pretty cold album lacking any genuine artistic credibility or indeed identity. She seems so content following others now, oh so reactionary.

so longevity is more important than relevance and respect as a musical artist? and what about Nana Mouskouri, Cher, Barbara Streisand etc, they've been going for many decades longer than both Kylie and Madonna.

 

yeah.. right and Nana Mouskouri is all over the world charts right now :lol: ... and so is Barbara Streisand!!!!! :w00t:

and about Cher: do u consider anyone's career to have longevity if they are having a hit every 10 years!!!! :blink:

 

Kylie has always been succesful, she only had a 5 hiatus between 1995 and 2000 when she wasn't really popular...

but she was back in 2000 with 'Spinning around' and she's not using her gay fans :::: Gays just happen to love her because she was an idol to them since the 80's....she didn't use them,anyway people will still gonna criticize her if she released ballads or R&B songs so no matter what any major international star does, he or she will always be criticized.....

Some artists do not write everything but Kylie is entirely disjointed from everything. She has a sole niche market; the gays. She's a one girl Girls Aloud. Everything seems so prosthetic about her. What is she in control of genuinely? 'X' was a disjointed, plastic and pretty cold album lacking any genuine artistic credibility or indeed identity. She seems so content following others now, oh so reactionary.

 

oh and of course barbara, cher and madonna dont have the gays dont they, i think so. And I suppose you think madonna used her gay market for confessions, by doing all disco/pop becuase sales of her previous album were low by her standards. And X is a brilliany album imo. You may not think so but thats only your opinion.

kylie anted to have fun making X and after what she went through i think she desrved that and the results are good,yes some tracks are far waeker than others but the songs that are good and there are plenty really make up for the disappointing songs

 

the gay thing well not all kylie fans are gay and probably every female that has in ny way made it big has a gay following and like kylie they dont use any of the fans they try and give them what they want and also reep the rewards

 

for anyone who isnt a fan of kylie they never will at this atge but the kylie fans and there are millions enjoy her and her msuic for various reasons and there is nothing wrong with that,if people want to believe kylie has no inout etc it shows they havnt followed kylie that well at all

Kylie has always had that kitsch/camp factor to her music, she came to fame in the 80s for gods sake! So her music certainly does have an appeal to the "pink pound." However she does not "milk the gays" as has been said, she makes the music she wants to make. It would have been very easy for her to make "Fever2" instead of the less well-known, less commerical sound of Body Language. In the past she hasn't been afraid to try something she wanted to do that wasn't necessarily guaranteed commerical success: Impossible Princess has already been mentioned but it is a prime example of why i'm a Kylie fan more than a Madonna fan - Madonna will do anything to sell records, Kylie isn't afraid to do something she wants. The way some people have been describing Kylie is criminal, it gives the impression that around the late nineties she went to a group of producers and said "What should I do now?" Kylie is in control of her music and her image and to suggest she has less control than someone like Madonna is simply false.

exacatly and also kylie has never made 2 of the same albums all her studio albums are very different.her live concerts are also atime when kylie has huge amounts of input in to the shows where she does as much as she can herself outside of the singing,as much i would hav eloved fever 2 over bodylanaguge it showed she wanted something different and something different for the fans

Yeah I agree with you on the albums, each album is very distinctive and she creates a who new image and a new Kylie 'brand' everytime so she never gets boring! Her live shows are amazing, they're so much more than concerts, they are 110% extravaganzas!