Putting holidays aside and the amount of work, the whole strike is about pay :P

 

Surely the amount of work and holidays is relevant to what they're paid? :P

 

Teachers get paid more on average than a lot of emergency workers who put their lives on the line.

 

But you could say that about a lot of jobs. Consider my future career intentions as a marketing agent or PR executives - I guess in some ways you could it's a pretty useless job in all truth, selling people things they don't need, but there is a lot of money in it. It goes without saying that those who save lives should be paid more, but if teachers don't get the 4%, does it mean that it'll go to people more deserving instead? I doubt it. I'd rather see firemen/paramedics get the rise most of all, above teachers and posties, but they ain't striking :lol:

Edited April 24, 200817 yr by Andrewy

The firemen have done though in the past, god bless those green godesses :wub: And the Police actually want to strike at the moment but are not allowed to do so by law.

im not bothered how long they actually work, how many teachers are actually any good at their job?.... besides the after hours work surely is no surprise! its part of the deal,... a £34k deal! thats an AVERAGE of £700 per week!

 

if they didnt like the pay and conditions then they shouldnt have become teachers...

hot many teachers are actually any good at their job?

 

if they didnt like the pay and conditions then they shouldnt have become teachers...

 

Maybe they had different conditions when they became teachers? Like all professions, it's gone through a radical change in the last couple of deacades. They were actually paid a lot less when my parents became teachers, but it's not the money that is relevant to them. As a lifestyle, teaching is a completely different job to what it was 30 years ago. There's so many boxes to be ticked, hoops to jump through, targets to be met - most teachers spend as much time in meetings and doing paperwork and pointless administration for the Government as they do actually bloody teaching!! Alas, this isn't really the point of the topic so I'll wrap that up by saying: if teachers actually got to TEACH as much anymore, I wouldn't even me writing this.

 

As for "how many teachers are actually any good at their job?" - it's sheer ignorance to suggest that there are more teachers who aren't good at their job than any other career. You wouldn't find anyone saying "Oh, that doctor should be payed 10% less than average wage because more people die when he treats them" would you? Not everyone in every job is amazing at it obviously. But, I know for a fact that at least in the School I attended, that 99% of the teachers were completely passionate about giving their pupils the best chance they can in life. If you had a different experience whilst you were at school rob, that's unfortunate, but you can't deny that a LOT of teachers do a bloody good job.

 

& whilst I'm ranting, you SHOULD be bothered how long people work, if you're gonna debate how much they should be paid, surely?!

Edited April 24, 200817 yr by Andrewy

I should add: when I saw "maybe it's changed" - I of course don't refer to those who joined the profession in the last, say, decade. They should have been aware of what they were letting themselves in for :lol:

It's seriously pathetic. Everyone wants more pay as we all want more money. Most teachers gain more than the average wage anyway, so I just find it completely selfish for the ones that are striking, especially when you think how much nurses get for example.

 

It's such an inconsidirate time to strike as well - exams start in pretty much 2 weeks.

why did they have to do it on my day off :angry: how very selfish of them -_-

Maybe they had different conditions when they became teachers? Like all professions, it's gone through a radical change in the last couple of deacades. They were actually paid a lot less when my parents became teachers, but it's not the money that is relevant to them. As a lifestyle, teaching is a completely different job to what it was 30 years ago. There's so many boxes to be ticked, hoops to jump through, targets to be met - most teachers spend as much time in meetings and doing paperwork and pointless administration for the Government as they do actually bloody teaching!! Alas, this isn't really the point of the topic so I'll wrap that up by saying: if teachers actually got to TEACH as much anymore, I wouldn't even me writing this.

 

As for "how many teachers are actually any good at their job?" - it's sheer ignorance to suggest that there are more teachers who aren't good at their job than any other career. You wouldn't find anyone saying "Oh, that doctor should be payed 10% less than average wage because more people die when he treats them" would you? Not everyone in every job is amazing at it obviously. But, I know for a fact that at least in the School I attended, that 99% of the teachers were completely passionate about giving their pupils the best chance they can in life. If you had a different experience whilst you were at school rob, that's unfortunate, but you can't deny that a LOT of teachers do a bloody good job.

 

& whilst I'm ranting, you SHOULD be bothered how long people work, if you're gonna debate how much they should be paid, surely?!

 

well im in broad agreement, things have changed in 30 years and yeah...targets etc. but pay has rocketed in comparison to 30 years ago. the secondary school i work in has very apathetic teachers... poor results etc and tbh they have had the power to discipline the bratts then maybe results would be better!

 

as for working hours.. no im not bothered...why?..well im self employed, i cut grass for a (good) living, i have a client base who have employed me for (in many cases) over ten years. i charge a fixed rate per visit... sometimes the grass is long...it takes me longer and harder work to earn my money...sometimes theres not much on.. so i have it easier... swings and roundabouts m8, time is reletive not only to the workload but to the individuals ability to process the work at a reasonable rate. some will do it quickly, others slower... thats life.

The teachers are striking because this "payrise" they are getting is actually a PAYCUT, as it doesn't keep up with inflation.

 

Also, they are striking about the way the teachers have to "teach", it is all geared towards business, and churning out workers for the future. Call Centre Operators, Office Workers etc etc, it's not about learning anymore, and the original British "Liberal" education is being lost.

 

For example, a few years ago it was almost impossible to exclude a pupil, now it is a fairly simple move. College's can chuck people out of courses for getting D's and E's, even if they putting the effort in.

It's such an inconsidirate time to strike as well - exams start in pretty much 2 weeks.

 

Is the point, surely? No-one would care if it was some random day in November :lol:

 

You do have a good point, Rob. As you do, I work on an hourly basis, so to me every hour counts. I can't imagine working a 15 hour day, and being paid a standard day fee of, say, 9 hours, I don't think that's fair personally. But you have a good point that some do more in an hour than others - it'd be unfair, for example, for me to be paid the same as someone who sat on their butt for the hour, you're right.

Is the point, surely? No-one would care if it was some random day in November :lol:

 

You do have a good point, Rob. As you do, I work on an hourly basis, so to me every hour counts. I can't imagine working a 15 hour day, and being paid a standard day fee of, say, 9 hours, I don't think that's fair personally. But you have a good point that some do more in an hour than others - it'd be unfair, for example, for me to be paid the same as someone who sat on their butt for the hour, you're right.

 

as i see it, theres 'x' amout of work to do.... get it done then the time is yours, thats how i opporate.

The teachers are striking because this "payrise" they are getting is actually a PAYCUT, as it doesn't keep up with inflation.

 

so everyone should have it then! then we are back to square 1.

 

the point is that the standard of living we enjoy doesnt allways improve and in leaner times we have to tighten our belt, thats the only way to prevent rampant inflation...not throwing money at it.

i still had to go school >.< years 7-10 got to stay at home and yrs 11 had to come in :angry:

I'm against it, kids need to get an Education

i still had to go school >.< years 7-10 got to stay at home and yrs 11 had to come in :angry:

 

soo :P if there wasn't a strike it would have been a normal day and you wouldn't have grumbled :heehee: Plus Yr11 is a pretty important year B)

I work in the Public Sector. I'm getting a 0% increase this year and 1% next year. I was on strike today too. Not that we got much of a mention on the News. <_<

soo :P if there wasn't a strike it would have been a normal day and you wouldn't have grumbled :heehee: Plus Yr11 is a pretty important year B)

I know but, it was just so pointless having a school made for 1,500+ and only have like 180 attend :wacko: most people bunked anyway... And everyone was like, well yr 9s and yr 10s also have exams coming up (although not as important), but they dont have to come in... The Senior teachers (Head, Dep. Head etc) still came in and taught us Maths, English and all that lol

I remember when I was in Junior School, the heating in the main school building broke down, so all the classes that were in there got the day off while they got it fixed. But because my class was in the huts outside the main building we still had to go in <_< :lol:

most people bunked anyway...

 

IMO, those who bunked off have no reason to comment on the teachers strike. Those who can't be bothered to show initiative, IMO, have no right to pass judgement on others.

I'm totally against it. Teachers only work 7 hours a day anyway and have 13 weeks a year off. What other profession or job has so many weeks a year off? Answer: None.

 

Yes teachers arrive at schol at 9am, where the magic faireis have planned lessons, found resources, and laid the classroom out.

They then drink coffe and go home at 3.30 while those magic fairies mark work, attend meetings, look after the children who feckless parent scan't be bothered get to shcool on time to collect!!!

 

Excuse my sarcasm :rolleyes:

 

If teachers have such an easy life, if it is all sooooooo easy why is there a desperate shortage of teachers???

 

As I have stated before I consider myself well paid and yes I do have good holidays.

 

I also work BLOODY hard. this week I have arrived home at 8pm on Monday dues to meetings and 2 nights this week have been sat completing paperwork until gone 10pm!

 

 

but the strike....

 

All workers have the right to strike. All workers have the right to express an opinion.

 

This strike was not about "4%"

It was the imposed nature of the pay settlement - no negotiation - and set for 3 years.

 

Yes 4% may only be slightly below inflation, this year may not be a huge issues - but in 3 years??

Who knows what inflation will be then?

 

Gordon Brown stated that this pay rise was the result of an independent review ...... well the MPs had one of them too but they chose to ignore it!

 

For the record I did not strike.