Well BJ is where i get practically hear new music as i don't browse through myspace for hours :P. So if thats the case i'm pretty stuck and so is everyone else in my situation for that matter.

To be fair Jake the BJSC rules have always stated that if one person has reserved an artist then no one else can use that artist until the first person confirms their entry. I think that's what he was getting at, it's nothing to do with who introduced a song/artist to the site originally...

He didn't reserve it though unless I'm mistaken.

 

My point about "discovering" just feeds in afterwards. If someone pulls me out for acting in "bad taste" then I'll do the same to them if it applies.

To be fair Jake the BJSC rules have always stated that if one person has reserved an artist then no one else can use that artist until the first person confirms their entry. I think that's what he was getting at, it's nothing to do with who introduced a song/artist to the site originally...

I was but I didn't actually officially reserve them because I wasn't sure if the artist confirmation thread was still running now the official one is open. :/

 

Well BJ is where i get practically hear new music as i don't browse through myspace for hours :P. So if thats the case i'm pretty stuck and so is everyone else in my situation for that matter.

Me too, I know that's pretty lazy but Jake is right, the new music I listen to is usually 'scooped' from the people like him with their finger on the pulse of the music scene. I'm happy to be handed new music rather than looking for it myself. :/

 

He didn't reserve it though unless I'm mistaken.

 

My point about "discovering" just feeds in afterwards. If someone pulls me out for acting in "bad taste" then I'll do the same to them if it applies.

Exactly, it's my fault for unofficially announcing that I might be using them. As I said, I was unsure if it was still possible to reserve some artists.

 

I'm sorry, I take back the 'bad taste' comment as you didn't see my thread. I just assumed that Ben might have told you when he said earlier that night that you were thinking of sending Marina and Little Boots too.

 

I can't say I share the same view that not replying to your topics and then listening to their music is rude. I don't feel the need to post "I like her ^_^" if someone posts about a new artist, I think I post enough pointless c**p as it is.

 

I feel stupid/annoyed now for creating a scene when there's no need for it. -_-

What's the point in me bothering to start threads if people take that approach to music? I spend time making those posts. If you like what I've posted then some sort of feedback/appreciation/thoughts is like good/nice? Why else would I post it on a FORUM?

 

And in regards to "being happy to scoop": if that's the prerogative you wish to take then expect a backlash from others when you show a blatant lack of originality. I think quite a few people would agree with me when I say one of the key constituents of BJSC now is original, fresh and different choices of song and artist. If you want to pilfer from others then people will respond like.

 

Oh and Ben hadn't informed me. It's a decision I'd been considering days before. I can show you MSN convos from days/week prior if you like?

Well BJ is where i get practically hear new music as i don't browse through myspace for hours :P. So if thats the case i'm pretty stuck and so is everyone else in my situation for that matter.

 

But you don't need to go through Myspace for hours to see something interesting that people might not have heard of. There must be at least one song in your library that is relatively unknown to people on here? You don't need to find something new/exciting to enter, just don't go for something well known by the majority. I'm sure whatever song you go for will attract to at least one person here because of different tastes/opinions on different songs?

What's the point in me bothering to start threads if people take that approach to music? I spend time making those posts. If you like what I've posted then some sort of feedback/appreciation/thoughts is like good/nice? Why else would I post it on a FORUM?

 

And in regards to "being happy to scoop": if that's the prerogative you wish to take then expect a backlash from others when you show a blatant lack of originality. I think quite a few people would agree with me when I say one of the key constituents of BJSC now is original, fresh and different choices of song and artist. If you want to pilfer from others then people will respond like.

 

Oh and Ben hadn't informed me. It's a decision I'd been considering days before. I can show you MSN convos from days/week prior if you like?

Well again I'm sorry for not replying to your topic, I didn't realise it was such a bad thing to listen to it quietly. I can't be the only one to do it though, the Marina thread has two replies and there are more than 3 people on Buzzjack who know who she is. They may have responded to you over MSN but that is generating as much discussion me.

 

I don't see what's wrong with 'scooping' artists or songs. Surely the point of your threads is to introduce artists to people like me who wouldn't find them otherwise? I don't think it's blatant lack of originality. Maybe Marina would have been since it was your thread that made me go to her Myspace and eventually her Last.FM to get my free download, but Little Boots was a bit more indirect as I found the song myself. (though, looking back I see that you posted about the single edit of 'Stuck On Repeat' a few weeks ago. I just didn't see it.)

 

It's not like I do this month after month as my entries are usually songs from albums I recently downloaded or bought. Little Boots is the only new artist I've ever sent. It's not like I've sent Little Boots, Camille, Janelle and La Roux - all your 'discoveries' have I? (sorry Tyron)

 

I believe you Jake, MSN logs wont be necessary. :mellow: You've made me feel bad now. You win.

To be fair to Aaron it is hard to find new and exciting artists to enter into this competition. I do try my best to look for new artists but some either only account to my taste or just wouldn't be right for BJSC. I have myself 'scooped' artists for this competiton by other people recommending them to me or off of BuzzJack [VV Brown being the main example] and when I have found artists/songs myself they have flopped [Jessica Mauboy being the main example]. And at the same time you don't want to send a 'cheap' entry and the main purpose [imo] of this competition is to show people new music.

I don't claim to "own" artists or the rights to them but one of the clear principles of BJSC is original/new song choices and artists. As far as I can see you've just decided to scoop from acts I've "discovered" and minorly posted about. It's just recycling. Why don't you go and look for some yourself? The same applies to Tyron tbf. :/

To be honest Jake, I haven't particularly scooped from acts you've 'discovered' - granted, I did do so with Janelle, but that was after loving the song, and if we're going to go for stuff that you or Ben have discovered I'm sure most countries in this competition have sent at least one entry that you knew of and posted about before most of the rest of us knew about it :lol: I know La Roux/Little Boots will likely get mentioned - although Rich can vouch for me that I did find out about La Roux via PopJustice; and granted, Ben did introduce me to Little Boots and Camille (although I waited months before I considered sending Camille - if only because it was such a risk). I hardly think either of us can be accused of just recycling in such a manner as you're implying - one where we just see/hear about an artist and send it because it seems like it'll be popular :mellow: I do think long and hard about the stuff I send, and I feel mildly offended to be painted as a really bad/unoriginal offender when I feel if anything when it comes to the 'cheapness' which can be oh-so prevalent in this contest I'm one of the people who can claim to having not really been susceptible to it. If I can't send what's been discovered by others and what I love, what am I to do seeing as I don't exactly have time to trawl through MySpace and pretty much everything amazing that comes up on PopJustice ends up getting posted about here. I would love to have the time/resources to spend at least a day just searching for stuff I love, but seeing as that's not exactly possible for me in my current situation I don't particularly see much wrong with me entering what others have introduced me to which is pretty damn amazing and could use promotion at a contest like this! I think you're looking at it in a pretty negative light tbh, because I certainly don't see my entering of Little Boots/Camille/Janelle/La Roux as 'recycling' merely because I didn't 'discover' them.

See, Jack and Tyron said basically what I meant to say. It's not always easy to find artists yourself and a lot of the ones that appeal to Buzzjack will have been mentioned already. Of course it's not impossible, people send artists I've never heard of every month but my taste isn't very eclectic so that's not difficult to achieve.

 

I think you're looking at it in a pretty negative light tbh, because I certainly don't see my entering of Little Boots/Camille/Janelle/La Roux as 'recycling' merely because I didn't 'discover' them.

I know you were addressing Jake but I feel partly guilty as I mentioned those four in my previous post. I don't think you sending them is a bad thing just because you didn't 'discover' them. You obviously liked what you heard enough to send them and not because it will be an easy success. I'd never send something solely to succeed, I have to love it.

 

I think sending them to this contest is a better tool for promotion than creating a topic anyway. This way you force 40ish people to listen to the song. :heehee:

I admit some blame for not telling Jake that Aaron had been debating between these two sooner. As far as I was aware, Aaron was interested in other artists before them, and I thought that Marina + Little Boots had been side thoughts at first, especially as they had not been reserved as of yet. I'm sure if Jake knew that you were debating between these two before had had chosen either of them he probably would have had other acts in mind, but by the time I told him, he had pretty much already had his mind set on Marina, so it's hardly fair that he should have changed I feel, at least. Jake definitely wasn't doing any of this just to spite you or anything.

 

Surely you can sort of understand his frustration though, as this has happened to him multiple times (VV Brown, Janelle Monae, Marina (sort of), etc.) and no one's really ever thanked him or gave him credit?

 

I don't want to argue or anything, just my two cents.

I admit some blame for not telling Jake that Aaron had been debating between these two sooner. As far as I was aware, Aaron was interested in other artists before them, and I thought that Marina + Little Boots had been side thoughts at first, especially as they had not been reserved as of yet. I'm sure if Jake knew that you were debating between these two before had had chosen either of them he probably would have had other acts in mind, but by the time I told him, he had pretty much already had his mind set on Marina, so it's hardly fair that he should have changed I feel, at least. Jake definitely wasn't doing any of this just to spite you or anything.

 

Surely you can sort of understand his frustration though, as this has happened to him multiple times (VV Brown, Janelle Monae, Marina (sort of), etc.) and no one's really ever thanked him or gave him credit?

But you didn't really have to take him, so you shouldn't take any blame. I just kinda assumed that if you saw I was considering artists you knew Jake was you would have told him.

 

I can understand you thinking they were side thoughts as I was mentioning Laura a lot earlier in the process. But my confidence in her slipped so I started looking around for alternatives a few weeks ago but didn't get around to gathering my thoughts in a thread until a few days ago.

 

I don't see the need for the drama. I was slightly leaning towatds Little Boots anyway so Marina being picked by Jake has little effect on me as I wouldn't have used her anyway, it's just that the final decision was made for me rather than by me. But it's clear that Jake didn't read this thread (and why should he?) and I didn't reserve these artists anyway so it's my fault for not doing things properly.

 

I can see why Jake is frustrated that people are sending artists he introduced this site to but on the other hand I don't find it necessary to ask permission or to give him credit when people send a song by one of them. I don't think anyone that's ever used a song or artist he's introduced to Buzzjack has taken the credit all for themselves. Surely Jake makes these topics to share new music with everyone here? (which is what this contest does, but better) I don't quite get this "How dare people enter songs I discovered?!" attitude, I would think someone entering one of these artists is a sign that people are appreciative what he does. Whether the person announces they have Jake to thank for first showing them the entry or not, he knows it was down to him and that would be satisfaction enough for me.

For the record I'm sorry for not thanking Jake for VV Brown :blush: I did feel kinda guilty after sending it as I did hear about it on BuzzJack and it did relatively good and I really do quite like VV Brown now because of it. Although I do think I replied in the thread in question.

Just to clear this up. This whole thread is making me sound like some sort of control freak which I'm not. I don't "own" the rights to ANY of these artists. What I have taken issue with though is your calling of my actions being in "bad taste" Aaron. We've since sorted that out so I'm fine.

 

Yes I do start these threads to share new music, same with my chart but I found no-one responding to either yet songs I'd obviously found were springing up in other people's charts yet as I said, no-one responds to me. It just feels like "lifting". Surely you can see why I'd get annoyed. I still maintain that it's just nice for people to respond if they read up on an act I/or anyone posts about and says how much they like them. Show they've had some effect. I think it's polite and just as I said...nice. I do it when others find something I haven't.

 

Oh and it really doesn't take any time to find new acts. I work often 7 days a week and am very busy and have an active social life...yet I find time for looking for new music. It isn't hard. Less reliance on others and you can find more stuff that YOU like. I'm saying this in general. Oh and Tyron that's a load of rubbish. You misconstrue and twist everything I said so yeah yanno...you're still a recycler and it's not a good thing.

Just to clear this up. This whole thread is making me sound like some sort of control freak which I'm not. I don't "own" the rights to ANY of these artists. What I have taken issue with though is your calling of my actions being in "bad taste" Aaron. We've since sorted that out so I'm fine.

 

Yes I do start these threads to share new music, same with my chart but I found no-one responding to either yet songs I'd obviously found were springing up in other people's charts yet as I said, no-one responds to me. It just feels like "lifting". Surely you can see why I'd get annoyed. I still maintain that it's just nice for people to respond if they read up on an act I/or anyone posts about and says how much they like them. Show they've had some effect. I think it's polite and just as I said...nice. I do it when others find something I haven't.

 

Oh and it really doesn't take any time to find new acts. I work often 7 days a week and am very busy and have an active social life...yet I find time for looking for new music. It isn't hard. Less reliance on others and you can find more stuff that YOU like. I'm saying this in general. Oh and Tyron that's a load of rubbish. You misconstrue and twist everything I said so yeah yanno...you're still a recycler and it's not a good thing.

Yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I guess I find it hard to understand because I've never introduced an artists to anyone via this contest or posts on the forum so I don't know what it's like for people to 'lift' them without responding to me. I feel bad for not saying anything on the Marina thread, not so much the Little Boots one as I wasn't aware of your topic. I got into her through Tyron sending 'Meddle' here which may or may not have stemmed from you or Ben originally.

 

I'm really not the sort of person who has a lot of interest in finding new music myself, I've never been that good at using Myspace. I'm quite happy to listen to the commercial stuff in the charts, if someone posts about a new artist or sends one in this contest then that's a bonus. I know that's a lazy attitude to have but I'm not really inspired to look for new music myself.

 

Anyway, I'm glad we've cleared things up. I really don't mean to go around p***ing people off on purpose. I'm a boring person who tries to avoid confrontation.

Sit Down, Shut Up, Belinda Is Here To Make It All Better

 

In the midst of some very heated discussions being held in Quotosibb, 19 year old Spanish artist, Belinda, arrived for her first EVER BJSC tour. The Shadowan representative has chosen Quotosibb to kick off her tour due to the huge love the Great Kingdom has for their entries. From Beverley Knight to Robyn, Santogold to MIA, they've all been huge hits in the Kingdom and Belinda will be hoping she can do half as good those huge names.

 

The tour was kikced off with Bel's lively 'If We Were':

 

Next came the breathtaking ballad 'See a Little Light':

 

Finally, Belinda closed the show with ther BJSC XII entry 'At The End of the Day':

 

The Spaniards hectic schedule meant she was unable to stay long after the show to guage any sort of reaction but she certainyl made it clear that she hopes the Sibbian audience enjoyed the set.

Right, Quotosibb had better get thinking on their entry for this month, ideas:

 

Video Villain - Paranoia

 

Brandy - Piano Man

 

Goldfrapp - Boys Will Be Boys

 

Kevin Rudolf - Let It Rock

 

I have a feeling I need to keep looking but I'm kinda stuck right now. It didn't take much from my last entry to find Video Villain. Brandy might be a bit over exposed in this contest but I got the album for Christmas and I love it. :( I just like the Goldfrapp cover dunno about it's chances here though, I can't believe they haven't been sent before. I'm just liking Kevin Rudolf at the moment, but it's been big in the USA (and South Africa) and it's starting to pick up in the UK so I dunno.

 

Basically, I like them all but they each have a down side. -_-

Video Villain reminds me slightly of Muse's Supermassive Black Hole, but is by far the best of the 4 there entrywise

 

Brandy I'd rather not see again, and I can't imagine Kevin Rudolf doing particularly well, although I really like Let It Rock

 

I didn't like the Goldfrapp cover much

basically from first listen:

 

Video Villain: 8/10 - with huge potential to grow

Brandy: 5/10 - better than Long Distance for sure but I'm not overkeen

Goldfrapp: 4/10 - no potential to grow as I didn't think much of their interpretation of the song

Kevin Rudolf: 9/10 - but not sure how well it would go down across the board

Brandy's my favourite of the lot but she's been used twice in the last few contests so maybe wait a few months?

Brandy's also my favorite track. ;o

 

It's a tough time for finding entries as nothing new really comes out till we're well into January.