Why all the bumming of The Saturdays?

The song is very catchy and good I think but people are talking like they're the best thing to ever be created and we all should get down on our knees and worship them when there are a hell of a lot better girl bands past and present. :heehee:

 

I personally was very pleased the single got top 10 but I doubt they'll get that high again and will even last past their first album, but who knows.

Why all the bumming of The Saturdays?

The song is very catchy and good I think but people are talking like they're the best thing to ever be created and we all should get down on our knees and worship them when there are a hell of a lot better girl bands past and present. :heehee:

 

And this was precisely my, Richard (thisispop), Rob's and Russ' argument... For which we got flamed and told off..... :rolleyes: :lol:

 

Sorry Jark but if I find one week in the top10 surprising

 

Considering they've been hyped up to be almost like the "New Spice Girls" or whatever, one week in the Top 10 with their debut is utterly PISH by the particular standards of their particular sub-genre (which, as I say, EMPHASISES chart success and 'unit-shifting' far more than any other genre or sub-genre, which tend to emphasise the actual music a bit more..), when you consider what GA, Sugababes and the Spicies achieved with their debuts..... Even the first All Saints comeback single did better than this.... This bubble is bursting.....

 

Sorry Jark but if I find one week in the top10 surprising and quite bad and I feel like putting a :o in my post, I don't see what's wrong with that, you don't need to make a comment everytime I put a :o in my posts... <_<

 

And you may be as satisfied as you want with their "one week in the top10 fantastic run for a debut act" (etc etc), I don't think the label will keep them signed forever if that's all what they're able to do.

 

They were only at number 8 to begin with though hardly a huge fall is it? think its at number 12 in todays midweeks

Precisely. At the risk of sounding like a fan loon, I'm going to say that a 4-place drop (which potentially is just two or three thousand sales) is perfectly expected and reasonable.

 

Grimly, nobody acted as if they were The Saturdays are god, we merely got shot down for thinking ITIL a good pop song and The Saturdays a group with lots of potential. You certainly weren't the ones being 'told off' either...

 

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I'm just hoping 'Up' will go top 10 also when It's released

Considering they've been hyped up to be almost like the "New Spice Girls" or whatever, one week in the Top 10 with their debut is utterly PISH by the particular standards of their particular sub-genre (which, as I say, EMPHASISES chart success and 'unit-shifting' far more than any other genre or sub-genre, which tend to emphasise the actual music a bit more..), when you consider what GA, Sugababes and the Spicies achieved with their debuts..... Even the first All Saints comeback single did better than this.... This bubble is bursting.....

 

Well obviously the 'manufactured' pop band formula is hardly the huge force it was back when those bands were first starting out really are they? The whole format of the charts has shifted since then. It's very rare that a song is going to enter so high - a lot of songs enter lower and stay around for much longer. It's happened with the recent Girls Aloud and Sugababes singles.

 

I think for the type of act they are they did really well to even get into the top 20 when you think of bands like that awful Clea and Frank or whatever they were called who flopped on their arses with similar sounding material to ITIL. Obviously a lot of it is down to hype and I've heard it lots on the radio and like I said before they'll be gone by the end of the year purely for the fact that I already think they're too similar to Girls Aloud and just remind me of them when they first started and well unless Girls Aloud get killed by my dad's fat ex whore anytime soon we already have one of them.

 

And to top off my fairly pointless rant it'sn ot as if they've taken a McFly style tumble down the chart. I think this track will easily stay around for a few weeks and have a slowish decline.

Edited August 7, 200816 yr by Alison Nutmeg

I wasnt aware of any bumming on this thread :rolleyes:

 

Just people saying they liked the song and trying to look at their chart position positively.

Why is everyone giving them a hard time? Their album hasnt even been released yet. I mean that could shock everyone and sell quite a bit and make up for the single (which IMO isnt doing too badly TBH) and everything.

 

One week in the top 10 is better than NO weeks in the Top 10. I mean Beverly Knight has only had one Top 10 and yet she is idolised by many - because her ALBUMS sell. So The Saturdays still have plenty of hope for them left.

 

(BTW I am NOT comparing The Saturdays to Beverly Knight before everyone has a pop at me, I just used Beverly as an example :lol:)

One week in the top 10 is better than NO weeks in the Top 10. I mean Beverly Knight has only had one Top 10 and yet she is idolised by many - because her ALBUMS sell. So The Saturdays still have plenty of hope for them left.

 

(BTW I am NOT comparing The Saturdays to Beverly Knight before everyone has a pop at me, I just used Beverly as an example :lol:)

Sorry to take this a bit off topic, but Beverley has had two top 10 singles, not one. (a #9 and #10, but two nonetheless -_-)

 

I'm not sure you're right about the albums comment either, none of her albums have shifted that many copies at all. Her Greatest Hits went Platinum, but I'm not sure if it shifted all of the 300K needed to get the certification. Her latest album was only certified Silver, so that means it definitely sold under 100K - hardly impressive. -_- She's had three other Gold albums, which means they sold under 300K and probably much less since you only need to ship 100K albums to become Gold. I'm interested in finding actual sales of her albums now since I only know what they were certified, which doesn't mean they sold the full amount to get that.

 

I don't idolise her because of her album sales or anything like that, it's because I love her voice. :wub: I'm thinking she's probably stayed on her record label for so long because she sells tickets for tours because she doesn't shift that many records. Some artists have sold more in their first day sales than her whole album sells.

Edited August 11, 200816 yr by Aaron™

I seem to recall that, going backwards, Music City Soul did about 60k, the GH 300k, Affirmation 140k and Who I Am 250k or so...

She seems to have sold MUCH more than that :o

One week in the top 10 is better than NO weeks in the Top 10. I mean Beverly Knight has only had one Top 10 and yet she is idolised by many

 

Beverley Knight is more an adult-oriented SINGER-SONGWRITER though John, more like Tori or Kate rather than Victoria or Cheryl, The Saturdays are a manufactured pop group aimed at teenage girls (well, and the G.A.Y. crowd :lol: :lol: ), jeez, I mean, come on..... Talk about bizarre comparisons, this one tops Jark's Goldfapp/Kylie comparison over on "Specialist Music".... :lol: The "singer songwriter"-types are NOT expected to get high singles chart placings (mind you, the likes of Kate Bush and Tori Amos certainly did well in the past I wont argue..), they are more album artists, different criterias for different genres.....

God bless you for still not understand that Kylie comparison was nothing whatsoever to do with the music. Zilch.

I seem to recall that, going backwards, Music City Soul did about 60k, the GH 300k, Affirmation 140k and Who I Am 250k or so...

 

These sales arent nothing to write home about! But, i suppose she aint signed to a big deal and her label don't spend that much on her!

 

But, if the Saturdays sell 200k worth of albums i will eat my shorts.

 

By next Spring, they wont exist! :P

If This Is Love has done exactly what i thought it would really. Debut at #8 and then down to #12 isnt a full on disaster nor is it a huge sucsess. They now need to concentrate on getting their album in to the top 20, i want to say top 10 but i'll be realistic and the second single in to the top 10/15.

God bless you for still not understand that Kylie comparison was nothing whatsoever to do with the music. Zilch.

 

No, it was to do with concerts or marketing or some such rubbish as that wasn't it....? As if they're even marketed in the same way, as if they even do the same types of shows or play the same sorts of venues, Kylie does Wembley and Knebworth, Goldfapp does places like THE BRIXTON ACADEMY (yeah, I can REALLY see Kylie lowering herself to play in "nasty" Brixton.. :lol: )..... Read my lips - THERE IS NOTHING TO COMPARE KYLIE AND GOLDFRAPP.... If anyone goes along to a Goldfrapp show somehow expecting anything even remotely approaching a 'Kylie' vibe then they are a fukkin' idiot who has no business turning up....End of....

 

It's not that I dont understand it Jark, it's just that you were talking utter bollocks.....

It IS that you don't understand it! Jesus, the comment was saying that the Supernature era attracted a Kylie-esque audience - teens, young pop fans - who would quite happily turn up to a concert knowing only the hits. THAT was my point and it wasn't not 'utter bollocks' at all, get out!

Oh PUH-LEEEEEEEEZEEE..

Well, get her...... :smoke: :lol: SOOOOOOORRRREEEEEEEEE dude......

What the heck you talking about...? Course she is.... Duffy is basically a modern-day equivalent of Dusty Springfield, erm, so Dusty wasn't a "mere" Pop Star either I take it. Dusty certainly tried different styles, but she essentially remained a "Pop Star".... :rolleyes: GAWD, why is it that people want to try and totally mis-label things......??? Duffy is POP.....

 

Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield - What Have I Done To Deserve

 

 

and is the above video a record by a Synthpop duo and a female soul star....or a Gay Hi-NRG electronic disco act in love with Bobby Orlando and the Boystown Town with a old 1960s pop star....hmmmmmmm??? tho could be either depending on what's in vogue at the time....

 

 

Liza Minnelli - Losing my Mind

 

 

Duffy isnt pop! well she may be classed as such, the same as most artists in the charts now! To my ears she falls in to the soul genre!! how can you confuse that with pop? i dont mean because shes become popular now- which technically is what pop means.

'Warwick Avenue' is the typical Middle Of The Road tosh that Radio 2 lap up. As far as I'm concerned it all falls into the genre of pop no matter where its influences lie...

 

and where does Adele and Will Young go.....??? with Beverley Knight, Joss Stone and Sam Sparro :lol:

 

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006YFD.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

 

 

Eg White and Alice Temple - Indian

 

 

Eg White and Alice Temple - Doesn't mean that much to me

But isn't part of your issue with the Saturdays that they're a mere pop product and nothing more? :heehee:

 

As it is, their music for me - all just opinion obviously - is far, far better than the tacky, dated drivel S Club Juniors ever came out

 

except if the meaning of dated...is sounding like a 1967 record by the Turtles...which is obv a good thing....and Automatic High (one of the most under-rated pop songs of ultra modern times) is still a million times better than If This Is Love....think i keep to that an GA's the show

 

S Club Juniors - Automatic High

 

THE TURTLES - Happy Together (1967)

 

Terry Hall - Ultra Modern Nursery Rhyme