LOL :rofl: @ Debra

 

 

:manson: @ the release schedule mining. I though Nonsuch were beyond such tactics. -_-

as you once posted in my thread :kink:

 

http://qs1435.pair.com/urbanout/blog/images/uploads/cheapaschips.jpg

 

although I am yet to hear the song so shall reserve judgement until that moment

as you once posted in my thread :kink:

 

http://qs1435.pair.com/urbanout/blog/images/uploads/cheapaschips.jpg

 

although I am yet to hear the song so shall reserve judgement until that moment

 

In BJSC terms, sending a male artist whose last single topped the Buzzjack Hate chart is a huge gamble. Certainly more so in BJSC terms than sending an BJSC friendly artist like Marina & The Diamonds (whom can't even reach the top 300 of iTunes with I Am Not A Robot - not that it stopped Utopia labelling that entry cheap for the last contest!).

 

Add to that a female vocallist part of a girl trio who are supposedly in deep decline largely blamed on the supposedly inferior Amelle replacing the apparently vastly more talented Mutya Buena, and I'd actually say Nonsuch have taken a big risk in this contest.

 

The mere fact I think the song is unbelievably brilliant, and very commercial, which I fully expect to be UK#1 by the time of BJSC XVIII is entirely another matter! :lol:

 

 

She happens to be Buzzjack's favourite member of said girlband who are also still highly popular on this forum

In BJSC terms, sending a male artist whose last single topped the Buzzjack Hate chart is a huge gamble. Certainly more so in BJSC terms than sending an BJSC friendly artist like Marina & The Diamonds (whom can't even reach the top 300 of iTunes with I Am Not A Robot - not that it stopped Utopia labelling that entry cheap for the last contest!).

Surely the most cheap artists are ones that have had success in this contest as you know that they're definitely liked amongst the competitors? Marina had already had fairly decently placed BJSC entires, I fail to see how it could've been anything other than cheap! Granted it wasn't as cheap as some entries, but it still was.

Edited June 4, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Oh no Rich! :( It's not a particularly cheap entry, anymore so than Agnes was (in that it will obviously be adored etc. :P), but I don't like the sound of your new approach to the contest! :o

Oh no Rich! :( It's not a particularly cheap entry, anymore so than Agnes was (in that it will obviously be adored etc. :P), but I don't like the sound of your new approach to the contest! :o

 

Well to be honest when entering Marina & The Diamonds with a song that has subsequently received no airplay on Radio 1, Radio 2 or Radio 6 Music and has failed to chart within iTunes Top 300 is labelled cheap, then why should I be a mug no longer, because I'm damned if I do damned if I don't.

 

As Tinchy Stryder has not had success in this contest, and his last single actually topped the Buzzjack Hate Chart for two weeks, then why not enter it.

 

Tinchy Stryder ft Amelle - Never Leave You (Acoustic Live 05/06/2009) (Poor quality))

:heart:

 

The bottom line is until the rules are changed to stop entrants mining the new release schedule; then why should I suffer, when others have no qualms entering these new releases and are rewarded with good results accordingly.

Well to be honest when entering Marina & The Diamonds with a song that has subsequently received no airplay on Radio 1, Radio 2 or Radio 6 Music and has failed to chart within iTunes Top 300 is labelled cheap, then why should I be a mug no longer, because I'm damned if I do damned if I don't.

 

As Tinchy Stryder has not had success in this contest, and his last single actually topped the Buzzjack Hate Chart for two weeks, then why not enter it.

 

The bottom line is until the rules are changed to stop entrants mining the new release schedule; then why should I suffer, when others have no qualms entering these new releases and are rewarded with good results accordingly.

Remember at this point that it was only labelled cheap by the most stringent opinion on the matter! :lol: I didn't think INAR to be cheap, and neither did the majority of contestants! I don't have qualms with your entry for this, moreso with the idea that 'cheap' means nothing to the majority of countries and tends to be rewarded - let's not forget the effect that was had upon Love Story as a result of the ACM, and that the only reason Jai Ho didn't suffer was due to my reluctance to spearhead another anti-cheap movement against it having gotten so many complaints (mainly from Liam though it must be said :manson:) against my position the contest before. It is a shame that the top 4 of the previous contest was so dominated by the release schedule, but there's not much we can particularly do about it! Entries such as Quicksand, which weren't particularly well-known prior to the contest, were on the release schedule (in fact, Quicksand was released the day after it won! :lol:) but that had no bearing upon how well it was known (and it was chosen before it went on the release schedule anyway! :lol:), so there's not really much we can do about it considering most 'discoveries' end up getting released anyway! At what point do we legislate? At the point of selection, at the point it goes onto the release schedule? I can't see people being particularly happy with either, seeing as being on the release schedule is not always a signifier of cheapness ;)

The bottom line is until the rules are changed to stop entrants mining the new release schedule; then why should I suffer, when others have no qualms entering these new releases and are rewarded with good results accordingly.

 

 

:|

 

Of all the people who I thought would ever do this you were about the last one. Do you honestly care more about success in the contest than introducing people to music? I didn't realise that doing well would be so important to you. Others do it yes, but just ignore them. I find it disappointing you'd rather join them than beat them.

 

I could do the same, I thought about reserving La Roux when Kath freed her in the last contest and I had Little Boots reserved but I didn't send them because I don't find success as important, it's just a bonus. I'd much rather send a song that fewer people know (and ever would've known) but still has a bit of a fanbase so I can hopefully still qualify to get everyone to hear it. I have MSTRKRFT ft. John Legend 'Heartbreaker' reserved at the moment. I think it's brilliant and I'd like to send it, but as what seems like an obvious hit I really don't see the point and will probably go with someone else. As far as I'm concerned failing to qualify but introducing one person to a song they wouldn't otherwise have heard is far more satisfying than coming top 10 with an obvious hit. I'd hoped more people would come round to this way of thinking, not less.

Oh, and regarding 'I Am Not A Robot' being cheap, maybe I'm a bit harsh but as I've said more than once before, I probably have the widest criteria of what's cheap of everyone.

 

*Anyone with an artist forum or considerable following on BuzzJack. This includes b-sides, leaks or completely unknown songs. To me, it doesn't matter. They're a popular artist on here and have fans that'll vote for them almost regardless. There could be a couple of exceptions though (I'd hardly call Darius or Bon Jovi cheap...)

 

*Any UK top 10 hit from the past 3 years or so, has been a big hit at any point in time or regarded as a 'classic'. Successful single, still likely to be well known and fairly fresh in the memory of most people.

 

*Anything that's a recent single which is receiving promotion and as a result hype on BuzzJack. I'd say 8 weeks either side of release.

 

*Any artist who's won BJSC or had more than one decent (top 2/3 of a final) finish before.

 

Then again, I Am Not A Robot doesn't fall under any of those! :lol: Maybe partially under the first one, but even then it only really contains Pavel and it's basically impossible to find an artist that nobody has heard of on BJ at all (even the great unknown Margaret Berger was known to some before she was entered! :heehee:) so I'm not sure to what extent that one applies :o

 

My definition has fallen back to the fairly vague maxim 'if people are likely to hear it/have heard it without the contest, it's cheap' (before we get Release Me citing complaints, tracks that entrants didn't know were going to be released don't count...), the extent to which it is cheap depends on the variables you state...

My definition has fallen back to the fairly vague maxim 'if people are likely to hear it/have heard it without the contest, it's cheap' (before we get Release Me citing complaints, tracks that entrants didn't know were going to be released don't count...), the extent to which it is cheap depends on the variables you state...

But this is being released following a #1 single from Tinchy Stryder with featured vocals from one of the stronger members of Buzzjack's second favourite girl group. I don't think there's anything cheaper on the release schedule right now. In a few months time this will look like "I Kissed A Girl", "Just Dance", "Release Me", "When Love Takes Over" in that it'll be a huge hit.

 

But hey, someone WILL send this song to XVII (whether it's Nonsuch, Republikken Ashton, Torchwood, Quotosibb and probably more) so TiP has every right to do so.

Well I said it was a bit cheap because she'd been entered twice and had two decent finishes. They were something like 13th & 17th which isn't exactly great but it's decent enough and proof she has enough fans that enter the contest to give her a respectable score at least. Surely the cheapest artists are the ones who've had success in BJSC before as you know they're likely to again if entered?

 

Edit: I've just realised, the 'top 2/3' bit is supposed to mean top two thirds rather than the top 2 or 3. If a song finishes in the top two thirds of a final it's pretty much in the top third of songs entered, therefore a success.

Edited June 5, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Oh, and regarding 'I Am Not A Robot' being cheap, maybe I'm a bit harsh but as I've said more than once before, I probably have the widest criteria of what's cheap of everyone.

 

Well you can take it from me. I've changed my approach to this contest, because I was narked and dismayed with your comments about Marina & The Diamonds being cheap.

 

As it has subsequently proven to be a miserable commercial failure. I hope you are happy that your comments about my BJSC XVI entry have backfired with the more BJSC friendly entry I have made in this contest with an entry I previously would not have considered, not because of its lack of music quality (I honestly think it is a brilliant urban pop song), but because previously I would not have selected it because it fell foul of my previous criteria.

 

As Aaron said, if I had not entered it someone else would have, because it is a tune and a half. It was just that after the nomination thread being open for more than 18 Hours, I was the first one to have the foresight to nominate those two acts.

I can see everyone's point of views here, and respect them, but for me personally it's a great shame that BJSC has become a race to select the latest leaked track, even to the point that people are reserving artists before even hearing the songs, merely awaiting an anticipated song to leak...rather than selecting a track that you already love that you want to introduce people to :(

 

but each to their own, having now heard it, Never Leave You is a great track and a surefire BJSC winner, or top 3 at least, it's just a shame that the top end of the leaderboard has become so utterly predictable nowadays with 'the next big thing' (either in a Buzzjack contest or in the context of the UK charts) always sitting at the top of the results due to already having an established fanbase, with great unknown songs struggling to get a look in

But this is being released following a #1 single from Tinchy Stryder with featured vocals from one of the stronger members of Buzzjack's second favourite girl group. I don't think there's anything cheaper on the release schedule right now. In a few months time this will look like "I Kissed A Girl", "Just Dance", "Release Me", "When Love Takes Over" in that it'll be a huge hit.

 

But hey, someone WILL send this song to XVII (whether it's Nonsuch, Republikken Ashton, Torchwood, Quotosibb and probably more) so TiP has every right to do so.

I wouldn't have entered this track.

 

if TiP hadn't entered it, i'd have stolen Amelle for this BJSC unfriendly track, but my fave song ever:

 

 

:wub:

 

 

I'm going with CT tho, most people haven't heard of them, so if a few people like it then i'm quite happy. If it comes top10 i'll be ecstatic. It would be worth more to me than a hollow victory with Never Leave You.

Well you can take it from me. I've changed my approach to this contest, because I was narked and dismayed with your comments about Marina & The Diamonds being cheap.

 

As it has subsequently proven to be a miserable commercial failure. I hope you are happy that your comments about my BJSC XVI entry have backfired with the more BJSC friendly entry I have made in this contest with an entry I previously would not have considered, not because of its lack of music quality (I honestly think it is a brilliant urban pop song), but because previously I would not have selected it because it fell foul of my previous criteria.

 

As Aaron said, if I had not entered it someone else would have, because it is a tune and a half. It was just that after the nomination thread being open for more than 18 Hours, I was the first one to have the foresight to nominate those two acts.

:blink:

 

I have absolutely no idea where you've actually got this from. The only time I've directly called 'I'm Not A Robot' cheap was AFTER you confirmed Tinchy/Amelle! I never even made a single comment towards the song before then, the only time I ever even mentioned Marina was when saying that it's boring seeing the same artists sent so often, meaning that if she was sent a fourth time it would be incredibly tedious. So I'm not sorry at all, I'm just sorry for you as you seem to have over-reacted so much and taken it the wrong way.

 

Like you've posted previously, I mark songs out of 20 and each song can lose up to 10 points as to how cheap I deem it. 'I'm Not A Robot', like a fair amount of songs, lost one point.

 

And no, it didn't have to be sent. You just had to do what I've done, reserve the artist and confirm something else at the last minute so it can't be sent!

Edited June 6, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Nonsuch had every intention of going for Amanda Palmer - Oasis in this contest, but the death of Michael Jackson has made it obvious that sending a flippant song with sarcastic lyrics on a serious subject matter would go down about as well as a DJ in a pub in my local town on Friday night thinking it was clever to sing "Cause he's a p****...., Pae-do-phile" over the chorus of Michael Jackson's Thriller.

 

As a result a near riot (understandably) started, police were called, and he has been blacklisted from performing in pubs and bars in the local area.

 

Therefore Nonsuch have gone back to the song they wanted to enter in the previous contest (but someone had selected one of the artist selected) which I also discovered via the Jonathan Ross Radio show.

 

I think this is a good old fashioned feel good quirky singer/songwritery duet between a US male songwriter & a Russian female singer songwriter. For some reasons it has the oddness of the wonderful US TV show Pushing Daisies.

 

This song sank without trace (well I never remember hearing it then) when it was released last October/November 2008.

 

Nonsuch XVIII: Ben Folds ft Regina Spektor - You Don't Know Me

Nonsuch had every intention of going for Amanda Palmer - Oasis in this contest, but the death of Michael Jackson has made it obvious that sending a flippant song with sarcastic lyrics on a serious subject matter would go down about as well as a DJ in a pub in my local town on Friday night thinking it was clever to sing "Cause he's a p****...., Pae-do-phile" over the chorus of Michael Jackson's Thriller.

 

As a result a near riot (understandably) started, police were called, and he has been blacklisted from performing in pubs and bars in the local area.

 

WTF? That happened? :wacko: :puke2: (And I apologise for the name of the first smilie).

 

Anyway, lovely song :wub:

I was looking forward to Amanda Palmer being entered. ;( Oasis is eh compared to fabulous songs like Astronaut and Leeds United, but still.

 

Ben Folds is...alright. Catchyzz. Will do well I think.