June 28, 200817 yr Fife is still in taters especially in the labour heartland of the south of fife. The conservatives will NEVER get a seat in Fife after what they did to the coal mining up here. as for this minimum wage being reasonable c**p: In October 2008 the minimum wage will rise to £5.73 per hour for workers aged 22 and over, £4.77 for workers aged 18 to 21 and £3.53 for workers under the age of 18. i'm sorry but thats still pretty low especially when compared to all those who are striking over 'low' pay. im just 19, and i have been paid full adult minimum wage from day 1 when i was only just 18 so Morrison's aren't that bad especially to younger workers. granted i would kill to work for tesco or rather tesco money. start on £6.25 rising to over £6.40 :wub:
June 29, 200817 yr Fife is still in taters especially in the labour heartland of the south of fife. The conservatives will NEVER get a seat in Fife after what they did to the coal mining up here. .... id suggest that the place would never be a happy thriving community by now, even areas that survived the cuts in the 80's have since closed. and as i remember the pits were closed by... a scotsman! working for thatcher.
June 30, 200817 yr .... id suggest that the place would never be a happy thriving community by now, even areas that survived the cuts in the 80's have since closed. and as i remember the pits were closed by... a scotsman! working for thatcher. Ian McGregor was more American than Scottish mate, most of his career was Stateside and also Canada... And anyway, McGregor was pretty much just doing what Thatch told him to do.... Not that it in any way excuses the b/astard....
June 30, 200817 yr and its a bloody great fcuking FACT that we as a nation are enjoying a far far better standard of living then what we did in the 70's and 80's. ... how did all that happen? the magical money fairey? ..... not everything thatcher, major or blair oversaw was good, but under them we as a nation HAVE improved our living standards, across the board. Yeah, whatever mate, you just carry on believing that all is rosy and perfect in your nice little suburban corner of the world... I've lived in working class areas of London such as Hackney and Camden, and I KNOW life aint all that good for the majority of people, especially the young working class ethnic minorities....
June 30, 200817 yr In October 2008 the minimum wage will rise to £5.73 per hour for workers aged 22 and over, £4.77 for workers aged 18 to 21 and £3.53 for workers under the age of 18. i'm sorry but thats still pretty low especially when compared to all those who are striking over 'low' pay. It IS complete bullsh!t innit...? As if people aged 18-21 somehow need LESS money to live on...FFS..... <_< £3.53 for under 18s is bloody shoddy as well.. This aint a "wage", it's fukkin' Govt-sponsored SLAVERY...... No wonder so many people would rather doss on the dole..... And, I wouldn't exactly be amazed by £6.25 either mate.... Not when you consider that what the EU considers to be the "decency threshold" is something like £7.50 an hour..... This is an amount that the likes of Tesco and Morrisons can absolutely afford to pay their staff..... The fact that they dont is an absolute disgrace....
June 30, 200817 yr Ian McGregor was more American than Scottish mate, most of his career was Stateside and also Canada... And anyway, McGregor was pretty much just doing what Thatch told him to do.... Not that it in any way excuses the b/astard.... McGregor did the right thing Part of the reason that Britain was in such deep $h!t under Callaghan and us going cap in hand to the IMF and such an unproductive economy was the government propping up lame duck industries with taxpayers money that could not financially support themselves, the likes of coal, tin, steel were riddled with lack of productivity, excessive prices, massive financial losses, archaic safety practices and so on and that badly needed to change Our coal under Callaghan was so expensive that large chunks of British industry were IMPORTING coal from the likes of Romania because it was cheaper to buy it abroad and ship it in than buy home grown coal, that is ridiculous under those circumstances to be propping up these lame duck industries with taxpayers cash, the gravy train for those industries hit the buffers and rightly so
June 30, 200817 yr It IS complete bullsh!t innit...? As if people aged 18-21 somehow need LESS money to live on...FFS..... <_< £3.53 for under 18s is bloody shoddy as well.. This aint a "wage", it's fukkin' Govt-sponsored SLAVERY...... No wonder so many people would rather doss on the dole..... And, I wouldn't exactly be amazed by £6.25 either mate.... Not when you consider that what the EU considers to be the "decency threshold" is something like £7.50 an hour..... This is an amount that the likes of Tesco and Morrisons can absolutely afford to pay their staff..... The fact that they dont is an absolute disgrace.... Most 16-21 year olds live at home with their parents, why should they be paid the same as older people who have mortgages and so on, for a young person their wage is pretty much beer money they don't have mortgages they don't have household bills and so on, the minimum wage is about right so long as it is strictly enforced so people don't take the p*** like Clare's employer does etc Edited June 30, 200817 yr by Tim Barnes
June 30, 200817 yr Most 16-21 year olds live at home with their parents, why should they be paid the same as older people who have mortgages and so on, for a young person their wage is pretty much beer money they don't have mortgages they don't have household bills and so on, the minimum wage is about right so long as it is strictly enforced so people don't take the p*** like Clare's employer does etc And how many people on the "adult" minimum wage can afford a bloody MORTGAGE....?? Pillock..... <_< You cannot assume that every 18-21 year old is living at home, that is a frankly ridiculous assumption to make... Every year millions of 18-year olds leave home to go to university.. They have rent to pay, at the very LEAST they have to pay Halls Fees (assuming they get a place in Halls of course, otherwise it's the rip-off private renting market), in London and South East this can run into over £400 a month easily, and this is without taking into account food, or indeed tuition fees (which many students DO still have to pay...).. Not every student has a rich mummy and daddy who can pay ALL the bills for them, so they HAVE to work a part-time job to make ends meet (they certainly cant do it all off the student loan..), just why the fukk they should tolerate a lower level wage is frankly beyond me, there really aint a justification for it... The Govt just cannot blithely make these sorts of assumptions.. It is an UNFAIR, UNJUST system and is very blatant age discrimination.... You possbly could almost justify 16-18 year olds by claiming it to be some kind of "apprenticeship", but when you talk about reaching the age of MAJORITY, the age in which you can VOTE... There is NO EXCUSE to pay a lower rate..... I just aint gonna hear it man.. You excuse far too much.... And so fukkin' what if it is "beer money"...?? They're out there earning and should be rewarded for DOING THE RIGHT THING surely..... Like I say, why should a 16/17 year old graft their arse off for what amounts to about 2/3 of the national minimum wage when they can sit on their arses all day and draw dole, get pregnant and scrounge off the state....? The minimum wage (and especially when it's only PART of it..) offers no incentive to the young, it does not give them any kind of Work Ethic because there is little reward for their hard work at the end of the day, it all goes to the rich b/astards at the top.....
June 30, 200817 yr Yeah, whatever mate, you just carry on believing that all is rosy and perfect in your nice little suburban corner of the world... I've lived in working class areas of London such as Hackney and Camden, and I KNOW life aint all that good for the majority of people, especially the young working class ethnic minorities.... here you go [i[again[/i] <_<, i did NOT say that! it aint perfect, it aint perfect for most, but its BETTER, for most because we havent got rampant inflation!!! FACT!. in my experience people are poor for a reason. but theres no excuse for people remaining poor. whilst your utopian world where everybody is equal is all well and good, itll never happen, because some people are just happy being 'at the bottom' of the social pile. there will never be full equality, pity, id like to see it but realistically not every human is equal because we all have differing upbringings, different goals in life, different education, different cerebral capeabilities. so like it or not there will always be well paid and poor paid.
July 1, 200817 yr some people are just happy being 'at the bottom' of the social pile. I dont believe that they're "happy" at all, not on any kind of meaningful level anyway.. They may accept it (which they shouldn't...), but I seriously doubt that they are "happy" or content... People are just being beaten down by this system to the point where they dont think that there's any kind of alternative.. Capitalism has certainly done its job in making people "happy" with their lot.... It was only through people being discontented that workers got any rights in the first place... And frankly, I feel that there is a lot to be discontented about in the UK of the 21st Century.... In a lot of ways we really have gone back to the 19th Century as far as workers' rights go, only about half the workplaces in this country have a workers' representative or union shop steward that workers can go to for advice or help, that just isn't right....
July 1, 200817 yr I dont believe that they're "happy" at all, not on any kind of meaningful level anyway.. They may accept it (which they shouldn't...), but I seriously doubt that they are "happy" or content... People are just being beaten down by this system to the point where they dont think that there's any kind of alternative.. Capitalism has certainly done its job in making people "happy" with their lot.... It was only through people being discontented that workers got any rights in the first place... And frankly, I feel that there is a lot to be discontented about in the UK of the 21st Century.... In a lot of ways we really have gone back to the 19th Century as far as workers' rights go, only about half the workplaces in this country have a workers' representative or union shop steward that workers can go to for advice or help, that just isn't right.... well maybe 'happy' was the wrong term to use, but you get my drift here. some people are brain dead and know no better for whatever reason, and have no chance of bettering themselves as they simply have not got the mental capacity to do so.
July 2, 200817 yr It IS complete bullsh!t innit...? As if people aged 18-21 somehow need LESS money to live on...FFS..... <_< £3.53 for under 18s is bloody shoddy as well.. This aint a "wage", it's fukkin' Govt-sponsored SLAVERY...... No wonder so many people would rather doss on the dole..... And, I wouldn't exactly be amazed by £6.25 either mate.... Not when you consider that what the EU considers to be the "decency threshold" is something like £7.50 an hour..... This is an amount that the likes of Tesco and Morrisons can absolutely afford to pay their staff..... The fact that they dont is an absolute disgrace.... Say What. £7.50 that'd be a bit better. especially in the current climate. inflation is projected at double the government targets and that ain't good for a western country with the ability to keep it in check.
July 2, 200817 yr inflation is projected at double the government targets and that ain't good for a western country with the ability to keep it in check. See, here's the thing.. All these Govt bods, and "economic experts" keep crowing about how wages have to be kept down because it "fuels inflation".. Yeah, okay, so, er, what's actually caused this whole bout of inflationary chaos in the first place....? Cant be the minimal wage, cant be the relatively low wage increases which aren't actually worth anything in real terms... Jupiter's example of how her wages have been actually decreasing value in real terms over the years is a common thread amongst most workers, which is the chief reason for the present discontent, well, that and hypocritical, greedy politicians who preach prudence on one hand and then stick their snouts in the trough and cream off the taxpayer ont the other... So, what IS the reason then....? Don't tell me that they're all LYING to us about wages fuelling inflation.... Naaaaaah, the Govt would NEVER lie, would they...? :rolleyes:
July 2, 200817 yr Of course high wage increases fuel inflation Say a company when inflation is 3% gives its workers a 10% increase and that is repeated across most of industry where is the money going to come from ? money trees don't exist mate the money would come from the company having to increase prices and then it is the consumer who foots the bill for the price increases, high wage increases fuel inflation
July 2, 200817 yr Of course high wage increases fuel inflation Say a company when inflation is 3% gives its workers a 10% And, er, when was the last time a 10% increase in wages happened for the VAST MAJORITY of workers.....? Most workers are lucky to get 2 or 2.5%.. Some are palmed off with LESS.... The only people who get huge wage increases of this nature are POLITICIANS and CITY FAT CATS...... ....So, now we know who the b/astards fuelling the current inflationary cycle actually are..... -_-
July 2, 200817 yr Of course high wage increases fuel inflation money trees don't exist mate They seem to exist for politicians..... And dont tell me the likes of Tesco cant afford it, considering they spend their time finding ways to dodge Corporation Tax and hide their huge profits in offshore accounts......
July 2, 200817 yr They seem to exist for politicians..... And dont tell me the likes of Tesco cant afford it, considering they spend their time finding ways to dodge Corporation Tax and hide their huge profits in offshore accounts...... Well if Tesco's do it then all the other supermarkets have to do it and Mr Patel's Mini Mart has to do it to prevent staff from leaving to work for Tescos and then other High St retailers have to do it both big and small in order to retain staff from jumping ship to Tescos and so on, a snowball effect is created which while a few of the big boys can sustain the family owned or small businesses in the High St can't
July 2, 200817 yr Well if Tesco's do it then all the other supermarkets have to do it and Mr Patel's Mini Mart has to do it to prevent staff from leaving to work for Tescos and then other High St retailers have to do it both big and small in order to retain staff from jumping ship to Tescos and so on, a snowball effect is created which while a few of the big boys can sustain the family owned or small businesses in the High St can't Bollocks.... You'll always find people to work in small shops... And considering that the vast majority ARE family-run businesses, then staff retention aint exactly a problem now is it...? High Street chain stores such as Top Shop and River Island can certainly afford to pay a decent living wage.... Just look at the annual profit accounts of a typical Chain store.... I've said it before - you make far too many excuses for sh!t that's inexcusable.... Prices are high, bills are high, VAT and Stealth Taxes are out of control.... Wages MUST reflect this....
July 2, 200817 yr high wage increases fuel inflation And you still dont address the issue that this bout of High Inflation aint being fuelled by "high" wage increases... I mean, what high wage increases....? They've been consistently BELOW inflation for a good many years now for many workers, the majority I'd say..... The recent strike amongst fuel tanker drivers was over the fact that they're worse off NOW as far as wages go than they were in 1992.... I mean, WTF????? And dont even get me started on the way rank and file Police officers and Firemen have been treated.... So, come on, answer the question - What has fuelled the current level of Inflation....? Cos it aint wages mate, they've been BELOW the rate of inflation for years, so stop spouting BS..... People are fed up now, and rightly so, there's only so much that people should be expected to tolerate.. They presumed that "things could only get better" when Nu Labor were elected in '97... Well, they haven't... Ordinary workers are worse off now in 2008 than they were a decade ago.... FACT!!!
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