I am in favour of gay marriages, I am in favour of homosexuality being a legal act, I am against discrimination of gays in the workplace, I believe in the concept of live and let live, I am fine with homosexuals carrying out what they want to carry out in the privacy of their own homes but I do NOT believe that homosexuality is a "normal" activity, I respect people's rights to do it if they so wish but I still feel uncomfortable with seeing guys hold hands in the street or kiss on TV and don't believe it should be preached in school as a regular mainstream activity

 

I am not homophobic I believe in live and let live but just don't want to see people doing it or have schoolkids told that anything other that heterosexual sex is the norm

 

Would people object if there was an ad about 2 people in BDSM scene ? should BDSM be taught in schools ?

 

 

of course it's 'abnormal' to you - you're a middle-England Thatcherite. Would you be upset if gay groups were up in arms about seeing a man and a woman kiss on TV? Because to gays - that's abnormal - and why should I be classed as in some way second rate or in any way less important, relevant or acceptable than you are simply because of who I screw? Are my opinions, needs, desires in some way less important than your own because you're straight? How dare you try to consign me and my lifestyle to 'the comfort of my own home'. Maybe you feel, as you so bizarrely put it, 'uncomfortable' seeing 2 men kissing or 2 men holding hands because you're 'uncomfortable' with your own sexuality? Perhaps seeing this somehow rouses feelings in you you'd rather keep hidden? Otherwise, why on earth would what 2 people totally separate from you are doing be so important to you? 99% of the 'straight' guys I know couldn't give a toss about seeing 2 guys together. Then again, perhaps you're one of these rather sad men who 'hates the gays' but gets horny seeing 2 women hamming it up for them and pretending to be all lezzy? How tedious....

 

:rolleyes: Please...... surely at your age, by now, you've realised there simply isn't such a thing as 'normal'.

of course it's 'abnormal' to you - you're a middle-England Thatcherite. Would you be upset if gay groups were up in arms about seeing a man and a woman kiss on TV? Because to gays - that's abnormal - and why should I be classed as in some way second rate or in any way less important, relevant or acceptable than you are simply because of who I screw? Are my opinions, needs, desires in some way less important than your own because you're straight? How dare you try to consign me and my lifestyle to 'the comfort of my own home'. Maybe you feel, as you so bizarrely put it, 'uncomfortable' seeing 2 men kissing or 2 men holding hands because you're 'uncomfortable' with your own sexuality? Perhaps seeing this somehow rouses feelings in you you'd rather keep hidden? Otherwise, why on earth would what 2 people totally separate from you are doing be so important to you? 99% of the 'straight' guys I know couldn't give a toss about seeing 2 guys together. Then again, perhaps you're one of these rather sad men who 'hates the gays' but gets horny seeing 2 gay women hamming it up for them and pretending to be all lezzy? How tedious....

 

:rolleyes: Please...... surely at your age, by now, you've realised there simply isn't such a thing as 'normal'.

 

I am heavily into the BDSM scene and have been for some 20 years, it is a scene that many people in the country find abnormal and abhorrent but is a perfectly legal activity that is practiced by some 10% of the adult population of the UK, bit like homosexuality in a way given that is practiced by about 10% of adults in the UK, maybe the word "abnormal" was the wrong word more "non mainstream" would have been better, you and me are both participants in heavily minority activities. I don't need permission to be beaten and whipped, you don't need permission to carry out anal but I don't believe that my scene or your scene should be on tv or preached in schools as a mainstream activity, if homosexuality is taught about in schools then so should BDSM as as many if not more people in this country are into BDSM as are into homosexuality, the only thing that should be preached in schools as a mainstream activity and promoted is straight heterosexual sex between a man and a woman

 

Russ for the record 1) Would you object if you saw scenes on tv involving people getting whipped and beaten ? 2) Do you consider BDSM to be "abnormal" ? 3) Do you think BDSM should be taught in schools given the BDSM scene in the UK is as big if not bigger than the gay scene

you're mixing a fetish with a sexuality - quite, quite wrong. A fetish is something someone chooses to do for sexual pleasure - sexuality isn't a choice at all - you either is or you isn't.

 

As for BDSM - whatever floats your boat - personally, I've never wanted someone to recreate being my nanny and getting me to lick their toilet rim whilst having ballbearings inserted into my anus - but whatever - sex is there to be enjoyed, in whatever form, and as long as it doesn't involve animals, children or unwilling participants, then fine. It does seem to be a rather popular practise amongst Tories, though, it has to be said - is it something to do with repression? :huh:

 

I was very friendly with a lady who ran a night called Spank in Bristol and went on several occasions. Sexually not my scene, but the people were really nice, the music was great - and I even got to spend 5 minutes in the grope box I sweated like a June bride in that rubber shirt, though..... :(

As for BDSM - whatever floats your boat - personally, I've never wanted someone to recreate being my nanny and getting me to lick their toilet rim whilst having ballbearings inserted into my anus - but whatever - sex is there to be enjoyed, in whatever form, and as long as it doesn't involve animals, children or unwilling participants, then fine. It does seem to be a rather popular practise amongst Tories, though, it has to be said - is it something to do with repression? :huh:

 

LOL never done that :lol: that is way out of my league, I much prefer role play (policewomen, nuns, military, prisoner/guard that kinda thing) which involved a degree of punishment, domination and submission with a particular fondness for being whipped, there was other things as well that tried such as waterboarding as those kinda things release chemicals into the body that offer the ultimate adrenelin rush etc, not for everyone's taste lol but that is definitely more my scene than ballbearings into the anus (never lol :o :o )

 

Dunno what kicked off my love of punishment, I think it is probably from my schooldays where I got caned a lot and tbh towards the end started liking it :blush:

 

LOL that place sounds good :D

I cant really add much to what Russ has said... He is 100% spot on in this issue.... It's obvious to me that with this pathetic pandering to a bunch of lowest-common denominator bigots that Gay people still indeed have to fight tooth and nail for equality....

 

I repeat, how the hell is this ad offensive and the absolute LEGION of ads which treat women as brainless sex objects NOT considered offensive.....? The abolute STINK of double standards is over-powering.....

 

And, what. 200 people bitched about it....? Puh-leeeeease... :rolleyes: What percentage is 200 in relation to the MILLIONS who no doubt saw the ad....? It's such a miniscule figure as to be meaningless.....

I don't believe that my scene or your scene should be on tv or preached in schools as a mainstream activity, if homosexuality is taught about in schools then so should BDSM as as many if not more people in this country are into BDSM as are into homosexuality, the only thing that should be preached in schools as a mainstream activity and promoted is straight heterosexual sex between a man and a woman

 

Excusce me.. PREACHED??? And here was me thinking that schools were there to TEACH, to EDUCATE, to INFORM...... Not to bloody PREACH.... Save that "preaching" sh!t for the Pulpit or the Mosque....

 

And you are utterly WRONG by the way... It is absolutely the job of schools to educate and help kids who might be themselves gay and dont really have any family that they feel they could turn to.... People are not born with a propensity towards bondage, they are however born with a propensity to Homosexuality.... 10% of kids in schools are gay, absolutely NONE of them have leanings towards bondage or BDSM, this is purely an adult choice to heighten sexual gratification.... If knowledge of different cultures can be taught in schools, then so can, and must, knowledge of people's different sexualities..... And no bloody parental opt-outs......

Excusce me.. PREACHED??? And here was me thinking that schools were there to TEACH, to EDUCATE, to INFORM...... Not to bloody PREACH.... Save that "preaching" sh!t for the Pulpit or the Mosque....

 

And you are utterly WRONG by the way... It is absolutely the job of schools to educate and help kids who might be themselves gay and dont really have any family that they feel they could turn to.... People are not born with a propensity towards bondage, they are however born with a propensity to Homosexuality.... 10% of kids in schools are gay, absolutely NONE of them have leanings towards bondage or BDSM, this is purely an adult choice to heighten sexual gratification.... If knowledge of different cultures can be taught in schools, then so can, and must, knowledge of people's different sexualities..... And no bloody parental opt-outs......

Bloody spot on.

 

I wonder if the removal of the ad could be considered illegal under the anti-discrimation laws? :teresa:

I wonder if the removal of the ad could be considered illegal under the anti-discrimation laws? :teresa:

 

Yeah, I mean, could you imagine what would happen if Heinz did the ad with a young Muslim couple and a couple of hundred morons complained that they didn't want to see "bloody Muslims" on TV...? Would their complaint be taken seriously..? I rather doubt that most strongly.....

 

Yeah, I mean, could you imagine what would happen if Heinz did the ad with a young Muslim couple and a couple of hundred morons complained that they didn't want to see "bloody Muslims" on TV...? Would their complaint be taken seriously..? I rather doubt that most strongly.....

Yep, you hit the nail on the head there. Taking pot shots at gay rights is sadly seen as acceptable by some in society.

 

Oh and Craig, FYI - being gay is normal. Its as normal as being either brown haired or blonde haired, fat or thin. Live with it.

I wonder how people would react if it were two bimbo big-chested woman playing the roles of mother and father?

this advert is a lot better Watch it!!! it's called Rugby Gay Kiss

 

great stuff :D Nice to see a proper full-on kiss, too, not some namby pamby awkward peck simplyput in to shock.

It's bizarre that people actually have the time to complain. Their life must be pretty dull if they complain over a short smack on the lips. And it is appropriate. Children these days are way over-protected and hidden from the gay/lesbian scene. Thankfully, my family and I are pro-gay/pro-lesbian, so we never had the homophobic issue like the majority of people in the world.

Edited June 28, 200816 yr by Cal

you're mixing a fetish with a sexuality - quite, quite wrong. A fetish is something someone chooses to do for sexual pleasure - sexuality isn't a choice at all - you either is or you isn't.

 

dissagree m8.... fetish is part of sexuality, i certainly couldnt 'get off' on something i wasnt open to be it bondage or homosexuality, and everything in between. i regard 'fetish' as part of sexuality, a lesser part...true.. you cannot change your sexuality and you can live without fetish, but ultimately you either get off on something or you dont

 

as for a gay kiss in an advert.... so what?

 

And you are utterly WRONG by the way... It is absolutely the job of schools to educate and help kids who might be themselves gay and dont really have any family that they feel they could turn to.... People are not born with a propensity towards bondage, they are however born with a propensity to Homosexuality.... 10% of kids in schools are gay, absolutely NONE of them have leanings towards bondage or BDSM, this is purely an adult choice to heighten sexual gratification.... If knowledge of different cultures can be taught in schools, then so can, and must, knowledge of people's different sexualities..... And no bloody parental opt-outs......

 

unlike sexuality, fetishes develop with age. but as per previous post, if it dont float your boat youll never get off on it. so there is a simularity with sexuality in as much that its either for you or it aint.

 

actually thinking on.... im not so sure fetishes arnt inherant... ive always had a fascination with females bottoms...lol.. and i remember one of my earliest incidents as i was in year 1 !!!

ive always had a fascination with females bottoms...lol.. and i remember one of my earliest incidents as i was in year 1 !!!

 

It's a slightly different story to Fetish (with a capital F..), BDSM, S&M, Bondage, that's a scene, a lifestyle choice..... Everybody has a preference for a particular part of the body, something that attracts them.... Some people are into legs, some people are into butts, some people are into breasts.....

 

It's a slightly different story to Fetish (with a capital F..), BDSM, S&M, Bondage, that's a scene, a lifestyle choice..... Everybody has a preference for a particular part of the body, something that attracts them.... Some people are into legs, some people are into butts, some people are into breasts.....

 

but thats exactly what im saying... you cannot chose bondism (for eg) if it does nothing for you. it is the very same inherant attraction, or openness.

but thats exactly what im saying... you cannot chose bondism

 

Well, you dont choose to be gay..... And, I reckon you're wrong.. Fetishism is a lifestyle choice in a way that being Gay isn't... I think to compare the two is very wrong... A prediliction for Fetishism in not determined at birth in the way being gay or straight is, Fetishism is something that you arrive at through your life experiences... Nurture, not nature....

 

There is plenty of factual, Empirical evidence which shows quite clearly that kids in schools aged 10 upwards, ARE showing openly Gay/Lesbian tendencies regardless of social class, environment or familial backgrounds, there is absolutely NO evidence anywhere that I am aware of that suggests that kids from ANY social class or background are exhibiting similar tendencies towards Bondage/S&M..

 

..So, given this evidence, I am inclined to believe that a prediliction for Homosexuality is hardwired into the DNA and psyches of certain individuals..... Some try to repress it, but it don't mean it aint there...... A prediliction for Bondage is NOT hardwired in this manner.....

 

This is not "Political Correctness", this is HARD SCIENCE mate....

..But anyway regardless of whether or not there IS this evidence, it's still not right for this ad to be pulled when there are clearly adverts with far more offensive subtexts out there.....

 

I mean, should the sexual exploitation of women be considered "natural" or "mainstream" (and let's face it, about 10% of the ads on TV do EXACTLY this)....? I dont fukkin' think so...... <_<

Well, you dont choose to be gay..... And, I reckon you're wrong.. Fetishism is a lifestyle choice in a way that being Gay isn't... I think to compare the two is very wrong... A prediliction for Fetishism in not determined at birth in the way being gay or straight is, Fetishism is something that you arrive at through your life experiences... Nurture, not nature....

 

There is plenty of factual, Empirical evidence which shows quite clearly that kids in schools aged 10 upwards, ARE showing openly Gay/Lesbian tendencies regardless of social class, environment or familial backgrounds, there is absolutely NO evidence anywhere that I am aware of that suggests that kids from ANY social class or background are exhibiting similar tendencies towards Bondage/S&M..

 

..So, given this evidence, I am inclined to believe that a prediliction for Homosexuality is hardwired into the DNA and psyches of certain individuals..... Some try to repress it, but it don't mean it aint there...... A prediliction for Bondage is NOT hardwired in this manner.....

 

This is not "Political Correctness", this is HARD SCIENCE mate....

 

as i see it fetishm is the same, but as a much weaker force then sexuality. i fully agree that your sexuality is nature, but i dont agree that you can be 'grown' into a fetish IF you havnt got a predilection towards it. im certain that theres no way on earth i could have been 'programmed' for bondism for eg, similarly i liked things i didnt understand long before i knew what sex was. (bareing in mind that in the 60's we knew nothing at all about sex until i was 10! nothing at all) only when i read things on a public toilet wall and questioned my mum did everything fall into place!..

 

im not accusing you of being politically correct <_< however it AINT hard science as it doesnt explain my experiences!