apparently powys council has upset residents by turning OFF street lights. its a 'green' money saving venture that could spread. one resident was moaning because after the switch off (about a third of lights), he struggled to see a burglar because it was dark... but the burglar could see!! lol.

 

i think its a GREAT idea... the country is lit up like blackpool and most of the time theres no need for it! light polution is rife, blotting out the night sky.

 

when i was young, our streetlights went out at midnight, and came on at 6 am.. i think cutting down on streetlighting would save money (that could be passed onto the counciltax payer), reduce carbon emissions and reduce light polution.

In my street we have reduced lighting, which is okay because you can still see what you're doing (as in fumbling about with keys in locks and stuff...), I dont agree that totally restricted street lighting is all that safe, it could lead to more street crime..

when i was young, our streetlights went out at midnight, and came on at 6 am.. i think cutting down on streetlighting would save money (that could be passed onto the counciltax payer), reduce carbon emissions and reduce light polution.

 

But will be guaranteed not to be.

 

I'm not against switching off a percentage of streetlights that aren't needed though. It's not like you need one every other couple of metres alternating on each side of the road.

In my street we have reduced lighting, which is okay because you can still see what you're doing (as in fumbling about with keys in locks and stuff...), I dont agree that totally restricted street lighting is all that safe, it could lead to more street crime..

 

how can criminals see better in the dark then the rest of us?... doesnt crime ever happen in daylight? in street lit areas?..

how can criminals see better in the dark then the rest of us?... doesnt crime ever happen in daylight? in street lit areas?..

 

If you were a woman Rob, would you particularly want to walk around in pitch dark streets.....? :rolleyes:

 

Criminals can conceal themselves easier in darkness, and victims of crime would find it incredibly difficult to identify an attacker or give a description....

 

If you were a woman Rob, would you particularly want to walk around in pitch dark streets.....? :rolleyes:

 

Criminals can conceal themselves easier in darkness, and victims of crime would find it incredibly difficult to identify an attacker or give a description....

 

if i was a woman i wouldnt be at ease walking the streets in streetlights either..

 

strange that you of all people, most vocal in his oposition to the governments 'nanny state' attitude would want to keep street lighting to protect citizens!

From what I heard on the raio this morning, they are turning them off all the time. That is ridiculous as it means people don't feel safe walking home in the early evening - or even late afternoon in the depths of winter. I'm all in favour of reducing energy consumption but common sense should still be used. Turning all or some of the lights off between, say, 1.30 and 5.30 a.m. makes sense but keeping them off all the time is plain daft.

From what I heard on the raio this morning, they are turning them off all the time. That is ridiculous as it means people don't feel safe walking home in the early evening - or even late afternoon in the depths of winter. I'm all in favour of reducing energy consumption but common sense should still be used. Turning all or some of the lights off between, say, 1.30 and 5.30 a.m. makes sense but keeping them off all the time is plain daft.

 

the news report i saw said 'a third of street lights'... ok, theres a strong argument that in the evening this shouldnt be done... but in the early hours? do we REALLY need street lights on all over at 3 am?...

strange that you of all people, most vocal in his oposition to the governments 'nanny state' attitude would want to keep street lighting to protect citizens!

 

It's hardly the same thing as ID cards or DNA databases..... :rolleyes:

 

If you ask me this is a bunch of middle class Councillors doing something that adversely affects Working Class people... It also fails to take into account the fact that working culture has totally changed in this country, we dont have a "9 to 5" working pattern anymore, Oh, I suppose those fukkin' Councillors do though... What about people working shifts, office cleaners who go to work at 4am, Hospital staff coming off a "graveyard" shift at 5am in the middle of winter, people who work in nightclubs or late pubs....? This is tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of ordinary working class people..... I'm all for doing stuff to help the environment, but plunging entire areas into darkness is just plain stupid, and potentially dangerous.. One can reduce street lighting by around 50%, make energy savings. We could also compel businesses to turn off the lights in office buildings when everyone has gone home, hit the buggers with an Environment Tax if they dont comply....

 

It's hardly the same thing as ID cards or DNA databases..... :rolleyes:

 

If you ask me this is a bunch of middle class Councillors doing something that adversely affects Working Class people... It also fails to take into account the fact that working culture has totally changed in this country, we dont have a "9 to 5" working pattern anymore, Oh, I suppose those fukkin' Councillors do though... What about people working shifts, office cleaners who go to work at 4am, Hospital staff coming off a "graveyard" shift at 5am in the middle of winter, people who work in nightclubs or late pubs....? This is tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of ordinary working class people..... I'm all for doing stuff to help the environment, but plunging entire areas into darkness is just plain stupid, and potentially dangerous.. One can reduce street lighting by around 50%, make energy savings. We could also compel businesses to turn off the lights in office buildings when everyone has gone home, hit the buggers with an Environment Tax if they dont comply....

 

im hearing ONLY good reports about the dna database... everyday someone has been caught, the latest being a rapist who struck 7 years ago :) ... got the bast*rd! :cheer:

i think cutting down on streetlighting would save money (that could be passed onto the counciltax payer)

 

You mean the same money that's been saved by councils that only collect rubbish once a fortnight (like my one :angry:).

Councils could certainly do more to ensure the light shines where it's needed. Far too much money is wasted lighting the space above street lights rather than making sure it's reflected downwards.

You mean the same money that's been saved by councils that only collect rubbish once a fortnight (like my one :angry:).

 

fortnightly collections are a myth... they collect WEEKLY, just recyclables one week and c**p the next, a perfectly good system to recycle waste.

 

you want domestic refuse collected weekly?... i bet you wouldnt like the cost on your council tax!

 

we HAVE to re-cycle, in every way its a good thing.

you want domestic refuse collected weekly?... i bet you wouldnt like the cost on your council tax!

 

Seeing as we're paying for it already, yes (I moved into my flat in 2005 - we had weekly refuse collections every week. It went to fortnightly in 2007, and the council tax didn't go down to reflect it.

Seeing as we're paying for it already, yes (I moved into my flat in 2005 - we had weekly refuse collections every week. It went to fortnightly in 2007, and the council tax didn't go down to reflect it.

As Rob said, they're still collectiing. Unless you DON'T have recycling bins?!

As Rob said, they're still collectiing. Unless you DON'T have recycling bins?!

 

exactly! :lol:

As Rob said, they're still collectiing. Unless you DON'T have recycling bins?!

 

Well, we did - until some chav nicked it. When phoning the council to ask for a new one, they basically said that it was our fault (and therefore wouldn't give us a replacement - meaning we have to go to Asda to do it).

Well, we did - until some chav nicked it. When phoning the council to ask for a new one, they basically said that it was our fault (and therefore wouldn't give us a replacement - meaning we have to go to Asda to do it).

 

... so your collections ARE weekly then...

 

what is so hard about the concept that instead of collecting your bin weekly with 50% re-cyclable material and 50% non recyclable material in 1 bin, they collect 100% re-cyclable one week and 100% non re-cyclable in one bin the next?....

... so your collections ARE weekly then...

 

what is so hard about the concept that instead of collecting your bin weekly with 50% re-cyclable material and 50% non recyclable material in 1 bin, they collect 100% re-cyclable one week and 100% non re-cyclable in one bin the next?....

Absolutely right.