Ergh, you're right as well. We might not agree on the album itself but everything else is just going disasterously.

This album is gona sell less than change and that in itself is a massive injustice.

 

Certain aspects of this project have been messed up but not everything.

 

I keep saying girls was a mistake becoz i hate it but it still got to no3 so duno what happened there. It should still have shifted a few albums.

 

The promo they did for girls was massive, probably more than any other act of today so management didnt mess that up. I dunno, i just think the reasons people are saying for this project failing are pretty unjustified. I think the fact is, the public just weren't interested.

Edited November 30, 200816 yr by Robintime11

If No Can Do flops and the next single too I think that Island will fire the babes.

But it's ISLAND'S fault!

 

Sugababes need another LABEL!

Out of interest, what have management done thats so bad?

Well the HMV mess-up for starters, with it retailing at £12 because they wouldn't negotiate. The p!ss-poor video for Girls whereby fans were told to apply to be extras in the video but weren't even emailed back about it. The cheapening of the Sugababes brand by allowing their version of Girls to be used in the Boots ad. The advertising of the Girls CD single as available in Boots stores when it wasn't. That album cover not suiting the album's theme whatsoever. The cover art for both of the singles so far being utterly crappy. Six things from this era just off the top of my head!

Well the HMV mess-up for starters, with it retailing at £12 because they wouldn't negotiate. The p!ss-poor video for Girls whereby fans were told to apply to be extras in the video but weren't even emailed back about it. The cheapening of the Sugababes brand by allowing their version of Girls to be used in the Boots ad. The advertising of the Girls CD single as available in Boots stores when it wasn't. That album cover not suiting the album's theme whatsoever. The cover art for both of the singles so far being utterly crappy. Six things from this era just off the top of my head!

Indeed! It seems clear the babes are willing to work hard this era as always, look at all the live perfomances and public appearances but but what are the record company doing in the background? Seems p*** poor to me, but this seems to be a theme with Island label artists at the moment, certainly a common grumble on the forums

Yep, it's not just the Sugababes. Island have had the most disasterous year. Pretty much every major artist they've backed has flopped.

As much as anyone can argue the 'No Can Do' video classifies as "good". People must surely agree it just doesn't work following the circumstances of 'Girls'. Personally I don't think the video even fits the song itself but also it projects the totally wrong image of the album: it all comes across as disposable and well a bit tacky. Which is what the album isn't regardless of whether you think it's any good or not.

 

I'm slightly concerned for them now. The decisions being made seem to be getting worse. The whole NCD package is going to get a good shunning as big Christmas releases/horrid Xmas songs get released. It's all good and well releasing something as an alt-christmas single but NCD would barely appeal to anyone in its current form in February let alone in the Christmas rush. It's also not an "album seller" song either :s

 

Sugababes seem to be a band running out of vision and direction. Everything this era seems so aimless. Partially due to the bad choices by the record label but the songs themselves. As much as fans like this sort of music from them I honestly do not believe it's ever going to sell to the Great British public. "Organic British R&B" music simply has no part to play in our charts at this time. I really think next album they need to go contemporary: dress a little more their age and update their sound. They've proved they can be quirky and idiosyncratic and still get the hits.

 

Island will give them one more chance but if they flop next era making similar mistakes with sound then I think we could be saying "Bye Bye Babes" which would be a real shame.

Yep, it's not just the Sugababes. Island have had the most disasterous year. Pretty much every major artist they've backed has flopped.

It's not just been the past year.

 

Last year they drove Mutya straight into the ground when the album didn't do as expected.

 

They've royally f***ed up Gabriella Cilmi's album release. Wrong single choices and lack of promo for them. It's like Mutya all over again.

 

 

The Babes need new management and a new record label. Hopefully they'll re-inject the Electropop that they do so well on the new album.

 

Change was a horrid rehash of Taller In More Ways, and this is a rehash of One Touch. I can see what they've tried to do with the 60's mowtown supreme's style but while a fair wack of their fans adore it, the public don't seem to have connected. Which is a total shame, there are some gems on Catfights that will never see the light of day because something, somewhere went wrong. Very wrong. Girls itself did well, and will no doubt continue to sell steadily over xmas thanks to Boots but the song doesn't represent the rest of the album very well. Sunday Rain is a gorgeous ballad, Every Heart Broken is genius, Beware is dark and menacing (Queen Keisha should let Amelle of the leash more often). The problem is that Girls embodies none of these traits and everybody seems to be making the assumption that the rest of the album is just like Girls. Either that or they've taken a strop over the lack of electro.

 

What they should do is get No Can Do's highly obvious flop out of the way (The way it's going it may struggle to beat Follow Me Home), throw out a Spring single. Sunday Rain would be perfect, film a video with a strong connection to the lyrics i.e. have Amelle standing on a train platform in rural england. An autumn video would have been kick ass with the leaves falling, but a wee april shower will have to do as the walk amongst the dead leaves in a big park etc. etc. etc.

 

Following that release (2CD's please Island) Record a epic new album, which not only keeps their current live feel but adds a little Electro twist. Go visit Richard X, Dr Luke and Dallas Austin. Maybe even try Diane Warren and maybe even Linda Perry. Get them to mix the Poppy RnB stuff that Dallas did for Taller with their current sound (Obv keep Klas Ahlund on board, man's a legend) and get some of their former edge back.

 

Contemporary covers, not TIMW style B&W $h!t (Mutya stuff) but more 3 meets One Touch perhaps. And they need to work with the Guy who did Denial again, and the legend behind Freak Like Me and Hole In The Head.

 

 

If you read that mammoth Essay (it was only supposed to be 2/3lines) i'm impressed! but seriously, they need to go back to their roots and start over. Go back to Christmas 2005 and the Death of Suga v2.0 and look at the back catalogue properly and then take influences from there and move forward.

 

That and making me their manager :kink: (And telling Island to get f***ed would be a huge bonus)

Edited November 30, 200816 yr by f1mad

What also iritates me is that they don't promote in the rest of Europe anymore, it's only the UK UK UK UK UK.

Since Follow Me Home flopped are the babes not succesfull in the Netherlands anymore , exept About You Now (#18) and Change (top 30).

 

If they want to promote their music better than they have to perform in Europe again! It's dumb to release a album in the Netherlands (for example) and not giving promo-performances :s.

 

Some people thought that the group was stopped allready! How weird, yeah it's all Islands fault!

 

 

Guys, what do you think of that?!

 

* I totally agree with the post above this one

Edited November 30, 200816 yr by SugaNET.info

Sugababes blame label for album 'flop'

Sunday, November 30 2008, 11:02 GMT

 

By Daniel Kilkelly, Entertainment Reporter

 

Sugababes star Heidi Range has apparently blamed the group's record company for disappointing sales of their new album.

 

Catfights and Spotlights debuted at number eight in the album chart last month and has since dropped out of the top 40.

 

"The sales have been disappointing but I don't think it is a reflection on the album's quality," Range told the Daily Star Sunday. "The problem is the promotion, I don't actually think our fans know we've even got an album out."

 

The band's long-time rivals Girls Aloud debuted at the top of the album chart with their latest offering Out of Control earlier this month.

 

Keisha Buchanan added: "Of course we would have loved ours to go to number one but we still sent flowers to congratulate the girls. We're not going to lose any sleep over it and will be back in the lab soon to start again."

 

I know for a fact this could be false information, but it does seem to make sense. Girls was promoted pretty well, but there was still some 'big' shows missing from the schedule, like This Morning, Paul O'Grady (although, I know they've used this for No Can Do), and X Factor. I don't get the deal with X Factor - any artist who goes on the show is a chart rival to Girls Aloud, because at the end of the day it's a big competition. The Sugababes are no different, and they should have got an appearance in around the album release. I understand there was the T4 Special, but it seems as though promotion was pretty much limited to Channel 4. Strictly was of course helpful too, but it didn't reflect the album much either. I thought there might have been something on The Album Chart Show (like with Change), and maybe an appearance on a chat show.

 

There's also the issue that Girls didn't top the charts - the lead single has the power to make or break the entire project. It was a big hit, but more had to be done for the album, and as usual Island just sat back and did nothing.

 

 

Source: http://z8.invisionfree.com/sugababesuk/ind...view=getnewpost

What also iritates me is that they don't promote in the rest of Europe anymore, it's only the UK UK UK UK UK.

Since Follow Me Home flopped are the babes not succesfull in the Netherlands anymore , exept About You Now (#18) and Change (top 30).

 

If they want to promote their music better than they have to perform in Europe again! It's dumb to release a album in the Netherlands (for example) and not giving promo-performances :s.

 

Some people thought that the group was stopped allready! How weird, yeah it's all Islands fault!

Guys, what do you think of that?!

 

* I totally agree with the post above this one

They haven't been to Australia and New Zealand since AWDF. Japan i don't think has seen them since One Touch ffs.

 

Island are awful at promoting the girls, the same can be said for the management

No Can Do down 76-84 on Pop now. I've literally given up. I might not even buy it. If it flops, perhaps this hellish era can end early.

People DO know the album's out. All this promo would tell people it is (?!!) People just don't want it.

 

Tbh I think they could mix R&B/Electro quite well. Obviously not like Lady GaGa but certainly do something with some harmonizing/contrasts etc which they do so well. Richard X, Danja and RedOne are all producers which spring to mind that they'd work well with.

 

They NEED a label who'll inject some money into them and let the songs sell themselves on quality. 'Catfights' budget went ALL on promo with little going into the cost of the album as far as I can see...

I don't want them to stop working with Klas though. I just want an American pop album, with production from RedOne, Max Martin, Dr Luke etc, plus some Klas on the side.

I really really like this song :o That was an amazing performance too, but this song is obv going to flop :(

Well Klas is certainly adaptable. He did a lot of Robyn's self-titled record.

 

Universal won't want a Klas/Max Martin/Dr. Luke/RedOne combination though. Those are the four producers working on the next Robyn LP. Clashy it would be...

...Record a epic new album, which not only keeps their current live feel but adds a little Electro twist. Go visit Richard X, Dr Luke and Dallas Austin. Maybe even try Diane Warren and maybe even Linda Perry. Get them to mix the Poppy RnB stuff that Dallas did for Taller with their current sound (Obv keep Klas Ahlund on board, man's a legend)

 

 

Tbh I think they could mix R&B/Electro quite well. Obviously not like Lady GaGa but certainly do something with some harmonizing/contrasts etc which they do so well. Richard X, Danja and RedOne are all producers which spring to mind that they'd work well with.

 

They NEED a label who'll inject some money into them and let the songs sell themselves on quality. 'Catfights' budget went ALL on promo with little going into the cost of the album as far as I can see...

First point, See above. Richard X is amazing, i'd kill for another Freak Like Me

 

Second point, with this whole credit crunch stuff it's going to be very hard to find someone with cash to spend

 

I don't want them to stop working with Klas though. I just want an American pop album, with production from RedOne, Max Martin, Dr Luke etc, plus some Klas on the side.

Here Here.

 

 

Well Klas is certainly adaptable. He did a lot of Robyn's self-titled record.

 

Universal won't want a Klas/Max Martin/Dr. Luke/RedOne combination though. Those are the four producers working on the next Robyn LP. Clashy it would be...

Universal can go f*** em selves,

 

The babes could do with a smaller label (even their own, SugaRecords Ltd :kink:) who will let them have a bit of creative control.

 

I'm not saying go indie, they wouldn't be able to afford the promo, but to think outside of Universal

I agree with everything said, they need to re-think their sound for this next album and they need a new label & management

Well the HMV mess-up for starters, with it retailing at £12 because they wouldn't negotiate. The p!ss-poor video for Girls whereby fans were told to apply to be extras in the video but weren't even emailed back about it. The cheapening of the Sugababes brand by allowing their version of Girls to be used in the Boots ad. The advertising of the Girls CD single as available in Boots stores when it wasn't. That album cover not suiting the album's theme whatsoever. The cover art for both of the singles so far being utterly crappy. Six things from this era just off the top of my head!

 

wow, when you put it like that.