I am a bit disappointed that Mushy has sided with Craig's blatant racism here (and yes Craig, your viewpoint here is racist).

 

With respect Matt that is absolute rubbish, yes I have been banned from here before for a racist remark which I was rightly punished for but there is no racist overtones in this thread from me

 

I dislike Hamilton not because he is black but because of who he drives for and the fact the media obsession with him has badly affected the race coverage when he is racing

 

My objections to an Obama presidency were purely on the grounds of his policies, I praised he guy as an outstanding orator but the fact he is black was of no consequence to me, it was because he is a socialist that I object to him

 

I support Spurs a team with probably more black players in over the last decade than any other team in the country, I had a season ticket for 14 years and cheered all players black or white till I was hoarse

 

My all time favourite cricketer was and always will be Viv Richards a black man, I even went to several matches at county level to see the black Brian Lara

 

Among my favourite actors are Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington and James Earl Jones, my interest in 24 somewhat diminished when David Palmer was lost to the series

 

I have absolutely nothing against blacks

 

BUT

 

I do think the appointment if confirmed of Patterson Joseph as Dr Who stinks of political correctness, Trevor Phillips not long ago commented that there was not enough blacks on tv particularly in soaps so the liberal brigade at the BBC are acting as do-gooders in hiring a black actor to just about the highest profile role on BBC tv as opposed to there being any reason to make Dr Who black after half a century as a middle aged white, there were and are no racist overtones to my comments just entirely Rob's "if it ain't broke don't fix it", Dr Who has no overwhelming reason to become black

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by B.A Baracus

Broadcasters told ‘employ more ethnic minorities or get fined’

July 17, 2008 by Martin Wingfield

 

POSITIVELY discriminate in favour of the ethnic minorities or face a fine! That’s the blunt message from the Chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips to Britain’s broadcasters.

 

He wants a financial levy placed on every single television programme produced, and if that production meets its ethnic minority quota and diversity targets it would get the levy re-funded - if it doesn’t, it is fined by losing that levy.

 

This is tantamount to blackmail and Trevor Phillips is quite open in acknowledging this:

“What we need is a mechanism to bend resources and action in the direction of making things happen. I believe the best way to do this is to use the industry’s own market mechanism, the commissioning process, and to tilt the playing field decisively in favour of rewarding diversity,” he said.

 

 

With respect Matt that is absolute rubbish, yes I have been banned from here before for a racist remark which I was rightly punished for but there is no racist overtones in this thread from me

No, it is not rubbish - you have said that Dr Who cannot be black (even though Dr Who can be whoever the writers/directors want him/her/it to be!), and if Patterson Joseph is Dr Who then it is because he is an ethnic minority not because he is the best man for the job. I fail to see how this is not racist.

..... Anyway......

 

The first 90 seconds of this is enough evidence of his outstanding comedic acting ability and why he would make an outstanding Dr Who:

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XtLlQAz5t-s

 

 

But the point I'm making is, if a Brit can play an Arab, why cant a black guy (or a woman) play The Doctor...? You haven't actually addressed the point...

 

probably because theres a shortage of arab actors! i have addressed the point quite clearly.

I dont see it as PC, I see it as trying something that's a bit different (you know, a bit like Bob Dylan plugging in an electric guitar to modernize Folk Music :rolleyes: )... You and Craig are obviously WAY too narrow-mindedly purist to see that fact....

 

i do..... not on this alone but in the other cases i cited, there was NO black 'ladys' in georgian/victorian england, so why are the beeb portraying them? political correctness.

 

there was no muslim lady in the tales of robin hood, so why did the beeb cast one? political correctness..

 

dr who was writen as a white eccentric male, and imho thats the way he should stay.

 

as for peter davidson... he was the first c**p doctor.

Oh my god Grimly just made 5 posts in a row LOL. I can't keep up!

 

Do you know, I can so imagine Rob/Craig as Gene Hunt from Ashes to Ashes. Stereotypes and prejudices galore!

 

why is it so prejudicail to want to keep dr who as he has always been? id be against a woman playing the part, id be against jonathon ross playing the part (although russel brand might be pretty interesting! )... it aint about anything other then what I prefer to see as the doctor, the one I GREW UP WITH.

dr who was writen as a white eccentric male, and imho thats the way he should stay.

 

what absolutley BULL$h!t mate.. doctor who was written as a shapeshifting alien ffs... one that noone ever specified had to be white, male or even a human, it's just what he's been throughout the fukkin years as that's how he's been cast.... Patterson Joseph is a GOOD ACTOR, i dont see why a good actor should not be allowed to be the new doctor... would you rather a $h!te actor be it (though i think your absolute idiocy on that matter has been shown by your desire for Russel fukkin Brand (?)) Your ridiculous attitude on this matter is just makin you come across as a racist and quite a twat to be honest

Edited December 6, 200816 yr by Snowman_James

:rolleyes: (the same applies to Mushymanrob as well in this instance)

 

1)Using the same logic, for 57 years a white man has won the F1 Championship, therefore it is outrageous that a black man is World Champion in 2008 because in the previous 57 years the World Champion has been white so that is the way it should remain. Likewise for over 200 years a white man was President of the United States Of America therefore it an outrage that a black man is going to be President of the United States of America, because it has always been a white man.

 

2)Besides this is Sci-Fi where the Doctor's Alien character is not fixed historically or genetically as a white British male, unlike say James Bond or other historical fictional characters. Therefore the writers/producers can do the "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" they want with whom they cast in the lead role, as they could just as easily cast a female in the lead role (like they nearly did go with Joanna Lumley as replacement for Tom Baker instead of Peter Davidson back in 1981!). Indeed that is why Meera Syal is still very much in the bookies running for the next Dr Who.

 

3 )Having watched Sex Traffic, The Peep Show, Green Wing, & numerous other comedies & drama's where he has had various adhoc appearances I think he is a brilliant actor in both drama & comedy and would be an inspired choice who has more than enough ability to carry off the role.

 

Personally, I would love David Thewlis, Dextor Fletcher or the sentimental favourite Sean Pertwee to become the next Doctor (which has still yet to be confirmed by the way), or anyone who is a half decent comedy-dramatic actor who can carry off the role. So long as it is not James Nesbitt.

 

point 1) that is a ridiculous comparison. anyone can win the f1, anyone in theory can become president of the united states, that HAS ALWAYS been the case but its only recently that black men have acheived this, that though is reality, not science fiction. you could re-write fiction, all fiction, lets have noddy as a iranian! bill and ben as chinese! alice in wonderland could be an eskimo lady! or lets go one further and make peter rabbit an elephant! lol.

 

2) who says the dr isnt 'fixed'?.... sorry but as far as i remember there has been NOTHING said about his re-generation that would suggest he will be anything other then who (lol) he is... an eccentric white male.

 

3) whats this guys acting ability got to do with it? neither myself or craig has indicated that he cant act... my objection is that its the bbc being politically correct by giving the traditional white male role to someone else. besides.... its odd, i bet a pound to a penny he acts 'in role' as a white actor would... so whats the point in casting a black person?

Hear Hear Richard... Totally in agreement with you.... Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about Obama in particular....

 

And to take the metaphor further, if you look at Brit Olympic gold medallists on the track over the years, the 90s/00s - Linford, Colin Jackson, Kelley Holmes.. All of them of Afro-Caribbean descent... 60s/70s, Brit Olympians would've been all white folks, things HAVE CHANGED, UK society has CHANGED which is what the likes of Rob and Craig just dont seem willing to accept.... If we were to go with their logic, then Linford, Colin and Kelley would've been denied places on the UK Olympic team because "well, British athletes have always been white...." :rolleyes: Same goes for the likes of Nasser Hussein in English Cricket who would've been denied his captaincy had we used the logic of "well, all English cricket captains have been white"....

 

I look at it like this - Othello is FIXED as a "Moor" (Black or North African Muslim, perhaps even Arabic, but certainly not anglo-saxon) from the 16th Century, James Bond is FIXED as a British white male from the 20th Century. The Doctor is a shape-shifting alien from Galifrey.... :lol: Erm, not exactly 'fixed' is it....?

 

thats utter bollox scott..... since when has athletes been 'cast'? wheres the work of fiction they aspire to? its the very same argument richard makes about obama or hamilton and it doesnt compare. athletes arnt created, charactors ARE.

I am a bit disappointed that Mushy has sided with Craig's blatant racism here (and yes Craig, your viewpoint here is racist).

 

it isnt racist to want to uphold the dr who tradition... there are plenty of 'types' of people that IMHO wouldnt be siuted for the role....

 

i dont think its any great co-incidence that the two people objecting to this are the oldest who have grown up with dr who...

I think Bugger Crimbo is Mr Scrooge in real life :heehee:

 

"walks on egg shells"

I do think the appointment if confirmed of Patterson Joseph as Dr Who stinks of political correctness, Trevor Phillips not long ago commented that there was not enough blacks on tv particularly in soaps so the liberal brigade at the BBC are acting as do-gooders in hiring a black actor to just about the highest profile role on BBC tv as opposed to there being any reason to make Dr Who black after half a century as a middle aged white, there were and are no racist overtones to my comments just entirely Rob's "if it ain't broke don't fix it", Dr Who has no overwhelming reason to become black

 

and thats it totally.... its all down to 'ratios' and 'percentages'. theres no reason why they shouldnt invent a whole new charactor, this time fixing him/her/it as from an ethnic background... that would do far more good then changing what is a wining formula.

Broadcasters told ‘employ more ethnic minorities or get fined’

July 17, 2008 by Martin Wingfield

 

POSITIVELY discriminate in favour of the ethnic minorities or face a fine! That’s the blunt message from the Chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, Trevor Phillips to Britain’s broadcasters.

 

He wants a financial levy placed on every single television programme produced, and if that production meets its ethnic minority quota and diversity targets it would get the levy re-funded - if it doesn’t, it is fined by losing that levy.

 

This is tantamount to blackmail and Trevor Phillips is quite open in acknowledging this:

“What we need is a mechanism to bend resources and action in the direction of making things happen. I believe the best way to do this is to use the industry’s own market mechanism, the commissioning process, and to tilt the playing field decisively in favour of rewarding diversity,” he said.

 

there you go.... ill repete my last point... instead of converting ready made charactors into ethnic minorities why dont they create new programmes centred on ethnic minorities.

No, it is not rubbish - you have said that Dr Who cannot be black (even though Dr Who can be whoever the writers/directors want him/her/it to be!), and if Patterson Joseph is Dr Who then it is because he is an ethnic minority not because he is the best man for the job. I fail to see how this is not racist.

 

no if it was racist we would be opposing ALL black people on tv.... neither of us are, we just dont want our traditional character to be 'ethnicised' by a load of liberal politically correct idiots just to get their 'ethnic quota' in ... THATS our objection.

..... Anyway......

 

The first 90 seconds of this is enough evidence of his outstanding comedic acting ability and why he would make an outstanding Dr Who:

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XtLlQAz5t-s

 

his acting ability was never in doubt... its about 'fitting the part', and in my humble opinion he is being made to fit the part as part of a drive at the bbc to get in its ethnic quota... he no more fits the part then... liz smith, johnny vegas, jonathon ross, gordon brown, caroline aherne, the list is endless.

i do..... not on this alone but in the other cases i cited, there was NO black 'ladys' in georgian/victorian england, so why are the beeb portraying them? political correctness.

 

there was no muslim lady in the tales of robin hood, so why did the beeb cast one? political correctness..

 

dr who was writen as a white eccentric male, and imho thats the way he should stay.

 

as for peter davidson... he was the first c**p doctor.

 

Actually when they had the problem of replacing the original actor who played the Doctor William Hartnell, due to ill health that was when the show's then director Innes Lloyd & main story editor Gerry Davis came up with the idea of the character regenerating or the power to change his body when it became worn out or seriously injured, a process that was called "renewal".

 

Memorably (even I was not born then, so I'm taking these "facts" on a Dr Who reference site as gospel) the show's Director Innes Lloyd did an interview with the Daily Mirror in November 1966 to explain the process/concept to enable the main character the scope to change it's "the entire personality and appearance of the Doctor".

 

When further probed by the Newspaper he conceded that the character could be conceptually be played by a female, a non human, or (gasp horror) someone of foreign, non Caucasian or non heterosexual origin.

 

This led to a Daily Mail editorial expressing outrage at this concept; Mary Whitehouse's National Viewers' and Listeners' Association to campaign to the BBC to get the show taken off the air (again); and numerous angry Daily Mail readers to write to the BBC due to the waste of public taxpayers money.

 

(It's good to know some things never change, even in 42 years :lol:)

what absolutley BULL$h!t mate.. doctor who was written as a shapeshifting alien ffs... one that noone ever specified had to be white, male or even a human, it's just what he's been throughout the fukkin years as that's how he's been cast.... Patterson Joseph is a GOOD ACTOR, i dont see why a good actor should not be allowed to be the new doctor... would you rather a $h!te actor be it (though i think your absolute idiocy on that matter has been shown by your desire for Russel fukkin Brand (?)) Your ridiculous attitude on this matter is just makin you come across as a racist and quite a twat to be honest

 

he was only created to regenerate in order to keep the show running, it wasnt expected to be 'big' but soon it outlived hartnell....

 

WHAT desire for russel brand? IT WAS A JOKE <_< ffs...

Actually when they had the problem of replacing the original actor who played the Doctor William Hartnell, due to ill health that was when the show's then director Innes Lloyd & main story editor Gerry Davis came up with the idea of the character regenerating or the power to change his body when it became worn out or seriously injured, a process that was called "renewal".

 

Memorably (even I was not born then, so I'm taking these "facts" on a Dr Who reference site as gospel) the show's Director Innes Lloyd did an interview with the Daily Mirror in November 1966 to explain the process/concept to enable the main character the scope to change it's "the entire personality and appearance of the Doctor".

 

When further probed by the Newspaper he conceded that the character could be conceptually be played by a female, a non human, or (gasp horror) someone of foreign, non Caucasian or non heterosexual origin.

 

This led to a Daily Mail editorial expressing outrage at this concept; Mary Whitehouse's National Viewers' and Listeners' Association to campaign to the BBC to get the show taken off the air (again); and numerous angry Daily Mail readers to write to the BBC due to the waste of public taxpayers money.

 

(It's good to know some things never change, even in 42 years :lol:)

 

our posts saying much the same thing have just crossed :)

 

i remember watching the first episode, just, and the outcry it had, they repeted the first episode just before they aired the second.... everybody was talking about it.

 

i guess some of my objections are because for me watching dr who through the 60's into the 70's its part of my life, and i loved hartnells character, but in fairness each new doctor bought something to the show.

he was only created to regenerate in order to keep the show running, it wasnt expected to be 'big' but soon it outlived hartnell....

 

EXACTLY! Was there a rule that he couldnt be black when he regenerates? Surely him being black in itself is a step forward and keeping the show running?!