I'm finding no logic in your arguments here Robin. In the digital age to me "singles" are:

 

i) songs which are actively promoted to radio as the next single

ii) songs which have a promotional video shot and distributed to the music TV channels

iii) songs which are made available for download outside of the album, digipack or B-side format

iv) songs which appear on physical format as an A-side

 

If a song charts and fits one of the above criteria it is a single.

you're right, this is only really relevant to chart enthusiasts/fans of bands implicated, but that's who's on Buzzjack my friend! I think the GA issue is played unless anyone has something to add other than the fans getting upset it might count which does apply to other artists in similar situations (though ST is such a weird situation, they should not get special treatment). What i'm asking about is in general what should count, and if there are exclusions (and a number of people have posted ideas about them) what should they be? can anyone put it all together?

I'm finding no logic in your arguments here Robin. In the digital age to me "singles" are:

 

i) songs which are actively promoted to radio as the next single

ii) songs which have a promotional video shot and distributed to the music TV channels

iii) songs which are made available for download outside of the album, digipack or B-side format

iv) songs which appear on physical format as an A-side

 

If a song charts and fits one of the above criteria it is a single.

thank you. Logic. No fan "just coz its them" justifications (not just applicable to GA)

Of course the only reason it was removed was because the film had some of the worst reviews of all-time and was absolutely tanking at the box office. They recorded a single for the film, produced a video to go with it and released the song to download.

 

A clear single. And one which flopped.

i think what 6weeks is saying (please correct me if i'm wrong 6weeks) is that on criteria ii) he suggests above st Trinians would count, as a promotional video was produced and released to music channels, and it was available to download individually?

Edited December 9, 200816 yr by spicefunk

You don't need fan justification. By 6weeks' rules, St. Trinians was not a single. Westlife and GA runs still unbroken.

 

Or did you mean that his arguments made a good point for keeping the run, in that case I'm sorry.

 

By my rules the song:

 

i) had a video which was distributed to music channels - here it is uploaded on the Girls Aloud's own record company YouTube channel alongside all the other GA singles:

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0DebmhCx8EA

 

ii) was made available to download

 

thus fits two criteria for being a single. Apply each rule with no bias and you have no problems.

i think what 6weeks is saying (please correct me if i'm wrong 6weeks) is that on criteria ii) he suggests above st Trinians would count, as a promotional video was produced and released to music channels, and it was available to download individually?

 

Indeed that's exactly what I'm saying - the video was uploaded to Polydor's YT Channel alongside all the other videos for GA singles and was on the Box, Smash Hits etc. The song was also available for download.

By my rules the song:

 

i) had a video which was distributed to music channels - here it is uploaded on the Girls Aloud's own record company YouTube channel alongside all the other GA singles:

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0DebmhCx8EA

 

ii) was made available to download

 

thus fits two criteria for being a single. Apply each rule with no bias and you have no problems.

Hitting the nail on the head here. "Bias", that's the word. Rules are rules regardless of who you apply them to. I think yours seem sensible, though could there be a case for saying at least two should be met before something counts as a single for example? People like Amy Winehouse have had regular play of their whole albums on radio and prob have charted low as album cherrypicks for example that prob shouldn't count, but actually rereading your post these wouldn't have been promoted to radio as singles anyway would they so wouldn't count... :lol:

I disagree. Look at the sort of stuff that gets in the top ten at the moment! Can you imagine a 30 year old downloading I Kissed a Girl, or that washing up song?

 

Why did Cliff have to rely so heavily of marketing of a physical CD. The singles chart is dominated by the under 25s choices. The albums chart is much more an 'all age' chart. I don't think most over 25s are remotely interested in single songs, they prefer a 'proper' album. I use the 25 years as the dividing point, but I mean 'mental age' LOL.

 

I agree with you, but I also think that the singles market in general has always been more belonging to the younger generation, as a lot of younger people don't have the purchasing power to buy several whole albums (well, teenagers) a month, like an older music lover might do.

I think the UK charts will become more like the charts in the rest of Europe. Big acts are used to having constant hits in the UK charts, but if you look at their chart history in most European countries, they have some hits and some flops. Scoring a top20 in Germany is almost the equivalent of a top10 in the UK, because its a hard thing to score over there. Part of this reason is because there is a lot more competition since there are releases from all over Europe that never get released in the UK. Another reason (which I think is why bigger acts are failing in UK), is that the charts are slower, so now the song has to sustain its popularity throughout many weeks to become a hit, rather than concentrating most of its sales on its first week to manage a good peak.

GA have had more top tens than any other girl band in the uk ever - why people harp on about the consecutive thing, i will never know. It makes it sound like another band has had more top tens but not consecutively, which they havent atall.

 

All GA's singles which have undertaken a full single campaign have gone top 10 - end of. I think this thread was more about flop singles, of which GA have had none.

 

The funniest thing about all this is that the st trinians anthem could have gone top 10 if management hadnt got rid of the album on download sites lol.

Edited December 10, 200816 yr by Santa Mark

Not sure why this has turned into a GA thread - I didn't even mention them in my first post :huh:

 

Anyway back on topic - 'Better' by Boyzone is going to end Boyzone's run of 17 Top 5 singles this week....

 

Top 30

Boyzone

:o

Edited December 9, 200816 yr by PopB!tch

I don't really like Boyzone but it's not a bad song and it's sad if it ends their run! Anyone left with one? I can't think of any... except Westlife

 

we'll never know where ST would have ended up, shame it happened really

Edited December 9, 200816 yr by spicefunk

I'm finding no logic in your arguments here Robin. In the digital age to me "singles" are:

 

i) songs which are actively promoted to radio as the next single

ii) songs which have a promotional video shot and distributed to the music TV channels

iii) songs which are made available for download outside of the album, digipack or B-side format

iv) songs which appear on physical format as an A-side

 

If a song charts and fits one of the above criteria it is a single.

 

There is a far simpler logic that has to be applied. These "flop" songs are charting on the Official SINGLES Chart.

Tbh, the issue with chart runs is so redundant and boring, only hardcore fa <_< ns care, lol! The everyday person in the street don't know, so gives a f***!

 

But this is a chart based forum meaning many people on here are interested -_-

There is a far simpler logic that has to be applied. These "flop" songs are charting on the Official SINGLES Chart.

 

 

But this is a chart based forum meaning many people on here are interested -_-

i too have noted these points, thanks for the seconds :)

top 10s is always going to be a thing but consecutive is going to be so much more unusual now

As much as I'm finding all these endings of chart runs sad, I bloody well hope Westlife are next!

 

 

Also, I think the reason is that clearly a lot of the releases were not strong by the standards of the artists and were either poorly promoted or released on a too strong week.

 

 

a lot of second and third singles from albums are also experiencing the same feat mainly due to download:

Just look at Estelle's great second single 'No substitute love' it only reached number 30 which is a huge flop considering her previous single 'American boy' was number 1 for 4 weeks... 'Come Over' was also an amazing track could've reached the top 5 easily had it been 1998...

 

also the same goes for Robyn's 'Handle Me', Britney's 'Break the ice', Madonna's 'Miles away' or Duffy's 'Stepping Stone' which all flopped due to this weird download policy...

Maybe airplay and YouTube viewership should be included in the chart: they are also real signs of popularity...

I wish I had never started this thread as once again it has turned into yet another boring GA discussion :mellow: :rolleyes: The 'St Trinians' debate has been done to death already!

Anyone got a list of the biggest top 10 runs?

From memory:

Madonna 34 (and 17 on another occasion)

Cliff 23

Westlife 23*

Oasis 22 (excluding Oas*s wibling rivalry)

Robbie 21

Elvis 20 (on reissue series and 10 on a separate run +10 if EPs excluded)

Abba 18

Beatles 18 (+3)(+3)

Boyzone 17*

Girls Aloud 17 (+2*)

Kylie 16* (and 13 on separate occasion)

Steps 15*

McFly 15

The Shadows 14

George Michael 14

Ronin Keating 14

Take That 14

Backstreet Boys 13

U2 13*

Slade 12

Mariah Carey 12

Destiny's Child 11*

Five 11*

Eminem 10 (+3)(+4*)

Pet Shop Boys 10

Spice Girls 10

911 10

Atomic Kitten 10*

Honourable Mention: All Saints 9*

those with a star * are the ones with the ability to extend their run. those with some controversy have the extra part of their run in brackets. Many of these have been mentioned, but for U2 their run is only maintained if featuring credits are excluded (in this case versus, this actually excludes a no 15 and a no 1 from their run). For Eminem the same applies, if feat. credits are ignored he gets a 13 run, if not a run of 10. Many of his featuring hits actually went top10, but one didn't though i believe it was released on a different label than his own, so if this was ignored on this basis his run would be 17 (then broken by a weird featuring credit with 50cent and Lloyds Bank?! this release had its CD sales and first few weeks downloads excluded due to a technicality with chart rules so some would say should not count either, in which case his run is still active)

Feel free to post more anyone :)

Added these to my list thanks popbitch and starred those potentially who can add to this :)

Steps - 15 (Between 1998-2001)

The Shadows - 14 (Between 1960-1963)

Atomic Kitten - 10 (Between 2001-2005)

911 - 10 (Between 1996-1999)

Pet Shop Boys - 10 (Between 1986-1990)

George Michael - 14 (1991-2002)

Mariah Carey - 12 (1992-1997)

Slade - 12 (1971-1974)

Edited December 11, 200816 yr by spicefunk