Do you honestly believe Leona Lewis is c**p or untalented? Believe me, no-one is cringing at that decision, which is the same honour Alexandra has achieved and the same one she will likely benefit majorly from.

oh yeah? where?...

 

i think thats an urban myth, a saying with no substance, the fact is that alex HAS touted herself about and has FAILED to secure a record deal..... why? because shes c**p! :lol:

 

winning x factor means absolutely nothing. it is no indication of her 'talent' at all because its an overhyped karaoke contest run by an old man who gives not one jack $h!t about music, but cares ONLY for making money.

 

i predict that many here praising her atm, will one day be cringing at that decision, with it/her being clearly in the 'omg what was i thinking off' bin.

Uhhmm, you just have to go on to youtube to see people singing their asses off better than 95% of these "professional" singers but who are still without record contracts of their own.

 

 

But whatever, its obvious that your not gonna be coming out of your own ass anytime soon so there's no point of continuing this argument.....

oh yeah? where?...

 

i think thats an urban myth, a saying with no substance, the fact is that alex HAS touted herself about and has FAILED to secure a record deal..... why? because shes c**p! :lol:

 

winning x factor means absolutely nothing. it is no indication of her 'talent' at all because its an overhyped karaoke contest run by an old man who gives not one jack $h!t about music, but cares ONLY for making money.

 

i predict that many here praising her atm, will one day be cringing at that decision, with it/her being clearly in the 'omg what was i thinking off' bin.

 

Oh please of course there are quality acts around that do not have record deals - A look at the many pop/rock/indie acts etc, on MySpace that are self releasing and touring just goes to show how many talented performers there are out there but only ever a small % will ever be signed.

 

Winning the XF may not be based on talent but it is based on millions of people picking up the phone and voting for the person they want to win and then supporting that person by buying the single. At the end of the day love or hate the XF it is a huge TV ratings success which has translated into record sales and given the industry a much needed boost in dire sales weeks.

As I said before, not everyone has the same taste as you. There might just be people who like the song? Or is that too absurd? :rolleyes:

 

Utterly absurd, yes.... the range and depth of Alexandra was laid bare when she said she thought Hallelujah was about religion :rolleyes: :o :D

 

She gave some ok performances, I'll give her that - but her version of Hallelujah is appalling.... how can anyone sing a song with any emotion, feeling and genuine bona fide passion when they're completely off the mark about what the song is actually about (a woman in the throes of heavy orgasm, by the way).

 

She oversings a song with ridiculous bombast that, even though written by Leonard Cohen, is owned by the late great Jeff Buckley who understood the meaning and every nuance of the song. He lives the song... Alexandra could be reading a shopping list.

Utterly absurd, yes.... the range and depth of Alexandra was laid bare when she said she thought Hallelujah was about religion :rolleyes: :o :D

 

She gave some ok performances, I'll give her that - but her version of Hallelujah is appalling.... how can anyone sing a song with any emotion, feeling and genuine bona fide passion when they're completely off the mark about what the song is actually about (a woman in the throes of heavy orgasm, by the way).

 

She oversings a song with ridiculous bombast that, even though written by Leonard Cohen, is owned by the late great Jeff Buckley who understood the meaning and every nuance of the song. He lives the song... Alexandra could be reading a shopping list.

Hello? Do you not know the meaning of INTERPRETATION? I mean it was Jeff Buckley who first meantioned it being about a female orgasm, not Leonard Cohen who had other ideas for the song. A person can understand it anyway they like, and do you really think a female singer is gonna relate to it as a female orgasm? :lol: Its another interpretation of the song, just like Jeff Buckleys version and to be honest, each are as valid as each other. I don't think you have the right to say which interpretation of the song is "right" or "wrong" you may prefer Jeff Buckleys version but there is nothing which makes your opinion more valid than any others, unless you yourself are Leonard Cohen?

 

And for me, Alex's version of Hallelujah on the night absolutely blew me away. And evidently the judges and some of the public (not the "brainwashed" ones obviously :rolleyes:)

Edited December 30, 200816 yr by Rena

Hello? Do you not know the meaning of INTERPRETATION? I mean it was Jeff Buckley who first meantioned it being about a female orgasm, not Leonard Cohen who had other ideas for the song. A person can understand it anyway they like, and do you really think a female singer is gonna relate to it as a female orgasm? :lol: Its another interpretation of the song, just like Jeff Buckleys version and to be honest, each are as valid as each other. I don't think you have the right to say which interpretation of the song is "right" or "wrong" you may prefer Jeff Buckleys version but there is nothing which makes your opinion more valid than any others, unless you yourself are Leonard Cohen?

 

And for me, Alex's version of Hallelujah on the night absolutely blew me away. And evidently the judges and some of the public (not the "brainwashed" ones obviously :rolleyes:)

 

err..I do know the meaning of the word 'interpretation', but I'm having serious doubts that you do.

 

The song is not open to 'interpretation' - nor is the meaning.

 

Leonard Cohen still adds new verses to Hallelujah when he sings it - usually more lurid and descriptive than the recorded version - he is quite clear what the song is about - and has gone on record several times to explain so - I suggest you do some Cohen homework. Jeff Buckley wasn't the first to mention the meaning of the song - you're wrong. The meaning of the song has never had any mystery surrounding it - it seems only poor old Alexandra had no clue of what she was singing about :teresa:

 

Hallelujah happens to be one of my all-time favourite songs - by both Buckley and kd lang. Until now, the meaning of the song has never been puzzled over :rolleyes: And even now, it seems only the recent converts to the song are mystified by it - probably you? Which is why you see absolutely nothing wrong or inappropriate in the way Alexandra Burke sings it.

 

And I have EVERY right to say whose 'interpretation' is more valid because any fool would know...the only valid interpretation of a song with such overt meaning is the version where the singer singing it UNDERSTANDS the song. And knows the meaning of it. Surely that's obvious to you?

 

And you think the viewing public can be trusted? Wasn't it an Oirish singing gonk who came second (just)? And isn't there another Oirish dwarf on the judging panel whose only claim to fame is Westlife and Boyzone?

 

I rest my case.

Would love to know how much of an impact the Woolies closure is having on sales - The store I was in today was selling off the single for 80p!

err..I do know the meaning of the word 'interpretation', but I'm having serious doubts that you do.

 

The song is not open to 'interpretation' - nor is the meaning.

 

Leonard Cohen still adds new verses to Hallelujah when he sings it - usually more lurid and descriptive than the recorded version - he is quite clear what the song is about - and has gone on record several times to explain so - I suggest you do some Cohen homework. Jeff Buckley wasn't the first to mention the meaning of the song - you're wrong. The meaning of the song has never had any mystery surrounding it - it seems only poor old Alexandra had no clue of what she was singing about :teresa:

 

Hallelujah happens to be one of my all-time favourite songs - by both Buckley and kd lang. Until now, the meaning of the song has never been puzzled over :rolleyes: And even now, it seems only the recent converts to the song are mystified by it - probably you? Which is why you see absolutely nothing wrong or inappropriate in the way Alexandra Burke sings it.

 

And I have EVERY right to say whose 'interpretation' is more valid because any fool would know...the only valid interpretation of a song with such overt meaning is the version where the singer singing it UNDERSTANDS the song. And knows the meaning of it. Surely that's obvious to you?

 

And you think the viewing public can be trusted? Wasn't it an Oirish singing gonk who came second (just)? And isn't there another Oirish dwarf on the judging panel whose only claim to fame is Westlife and Boyzone?

 

I rest my case.

I don't think you are getting me. Just because she understands the song in a different way to the way in which Leonard Cohen intended for it, it doesn't mean that she can't still, as you put it, sing the song with "emotion, feeling and genuine bona fide passion". When there are songs as amazingly written as this one, there is undoutebly going to be different ways of interpreting (notice that word again) and people are going to have different ideas about how its meant to be sung, but as long as someone is able to attatch themselves to the song emotionally and tell the story the way in which they believe it, then that is valid, period. Its a different interpretation and spin on the song altogether. Fair enough if she copied Leonard Cohen's or Jeff Buckley's version and their styles completely and didn't understand the song in the way they do, then I would agree that it isn't a very valid version, but shes come with a whole new outlook on the song and although you may not agree with it, you just have to suck it up because that is the beauty of music.

 

Although I do have reservations about the "perfection" of the studio version and they way IMO it takes away from the emotion of the song which is so vital in this song, for me the version on the X Factor completely blew me away, and it still gives me goosebumps when I listen to it now. And im sure there are a lot of people in the world who feel the same about her version. Just because you don't, doesn't mean that it should automatically be thrown into the garbage bin.

Would love to know how much of an impact the Woolies closure is having on sales - The store I was in today was selling off the single for 80p!

When does woolworths close? Because Leona has been making some serious ground on Alex and she could overtake Alex. The good thing about these two is that they obviously have a big link to each other and are vaguely (and I use that term very lightly) similar artists with quite similar songs so I bet its likey that someone who downloads one single will download the other. Hopefully if Alex can stay close to Leona then the physicals can tae her home for the next couple of weeks.

I don't think you are getting me. Just because she understands the song in a different way to the way in which Leonard Cohen intended for it, it doesn't mean that she can't still, as you put it, sing the song with "emotion, feeling and genuine bona fide passion".

 

 

Alexandra doesn't understand the song differently, though.

 

She misunderstands the meaning of it...or, she did when she sang it on XF and when she recorded it.

 

That's why I can't believe she really means anything when she's singing it.

 

And far from hating her...she's a talented girl for sure... easily the best of the sorry lot left in that XF final - but Hallelujah was a dreadful song choice for her... and Cowell is a terrible, terrible mistake to 'guide' her career.... because, as the song says "he doesn't really care for music"..... he just sees figures and units and quick turnaround bucks.... not the guiding light for any artistic career.

Alexandra doesn't understand the song differently, though.

 

She misunderstands the meaning of it...or, she did when she sang it on XF and when she recorded it.

 

That's why I can't believe she really means anything when she's singing it.

 

And far from hating her...she's a talented girl for sure... easily the best of the sorry lot left in that XF final - but Hallelujah was a dreadful song choice for her... and Cowell is a terrible, terrible mistake to 'guide' her career.... because, as the song says "he doesn't really care for music"..... he just sees figures and units and quick turnaround bucks.... not the guiding light for any artistic career.

Fair enough, well its the opposite for me. :\ I feel like she just adds a different dimension and perspective to it. I still love the Jeff Buckley version though.

Edited December 31, 200816 yr by Rena

Hallelujah does have a lot of biblical referencing though?! Besides that, Alexandra said she percieved it to be about 'love, not sex'. It could very easily and I would go as far as to say IS about all three...

Do you honestly believe Leona Lewis is c**p or untalented? Believe me, no-one is cringing at that decision, which is the same honour Alexandra has achieved and the same one she will likely benefit majorly from.

 

yes. imho she is totally unremarkable, she is just a bog standard singer, atm i have no reason to update my view, if in a year or twos time she IS still around composing and singing better material to the quality of say...beverly knight, then ill face the facts and review my opinion of her... but im NOT being taken in by all the hype and make sweeping statements on the back of 1 over hyped hit.

 

Uhhmm, you just have to go on to youtube to see people singing their asses off better than 95% of these "professional" singers but who are still without record contracts of their own.

But whatever, its obvious that your not gonna be coming out of your own ass anytime soon so there's no point of continuing this argument.....

 

until that i thought you had a brain, which on bj is quite a novelty <_<

 

Utterly absurd, yes.... the range and depth of Alexandra was laid bare when she said she thought Hallelujah was about religion :rolleyes: :o :D

 

She gave some ok performances, I'll give her that - but her version of Hallelujah is appalling.... how can anyone sing a song with any emotion, feeling and genuine bona fide passion when they're completely off the mark about what the song is actually about (a woman in the throes of heavy orgasm, by the way).

 

She oversings a song with ridiculous bombast that, even though written by Leonard Cohen, is owned by the late great Jeff Buckley who understood the meaning and every nuance of the song. He lives the song... Alexandra could be reading a shopping list.

 

as usual, i agree wholeheartedly with russ's points here. although i dont like any version of this dreary tune, russ's perspecive is spot on!

I don't think not being signed up by a record label necessarily means that someone is not good enough

 

No one can dispute that the Arctic Monkeys are one of the best bands to come out of Britain in the last 20 years and how did they become successful ? they did not get signed up to any record labels, they relied on demo tapes, file sharing, gigs in pubs and clubs and viral marketing to get noticed it was only AFTER they built a reputation that they got signed up to a record label so the Arctic Monkeys are someone who did not get a record deal in the early days but no one can dispute their talent

 

Another example of someone who the record labels didn't want to know is Esmee Denters, an OUTSTANDING young vocalist, it was her singing in her bedroom on You Tube that got her noticed and signed up to a record label (wasn't it justin timberlake ?) so I don't think the fact that someone can't get a record deal is a sign they are no good

 

 

I don't think not being signed up by a record label necessarily means that someone is not good enough

 

No one can dispute that the Arctic Monkeys are one of the best bands to come out of Britain in the last 20 years and how did they become successful ? they did not get signed up to any record labels, they relied on demo tapes, file sharing, gigs in pubs and clubs and viral marketing to get noticed it was only AFTER they built a reputation that they got signed up to a record label so the Arctic Monkeys are someone who did not get a record deal in the early days but no one can dispute their talent

 

Another example of someone who the record labels didn't want to know is Esmee Denters, an OUTSTANDING young vocalist, it was her singing in her bedroom on You Tube that got her noticed and signed up to a record label (wasn't it justin timberlake ?) so I don't think the fact that someone can't get a record deal is a sign they are no good

 

maybe, but they were/are good, id suggest that this burke bint isnt and people are being deluded by the tv media circus hype.

maybe, but they were/are good, id suggest that this burke bint isnt and people are being deluded by the tv media circus hype.

 

Cowell was overhyping her without doubt with talk of "world class performance" "a star is born" in the final and so on, I think she is good but certainly nowhere near world class, Beyonce had to really hold herself back to avod totally drowning out Alexandra so she is a million miles behind Beyonce vocally

 

I think Alex is a competent performer but not a world class magastar

Cowell was overhyping her without doubt with talk of "world class performance" "a star is born" in the final and so on, I think she is good but certainly nowhere near world class, Beyonce had to really hold herself back to avod totally drowning out Alexandra so she is a million miles behind Beyonce vocally

 

I think Alex is a competent performer but not a world class magastar

Hmm, well for me I thought she was ok all the way through, was really impressed by listen but that whole finals night was the first time I thought she could be a megastar, for me every performance was world class but esp the duet with beyonce and the hallelujah completely blew me away and I sat there with my mouth wide open...

, for me every performance was world class but esp the duet with beyonce and the hallelujah completely blew me away and I sat there with my mouth wide open...

 

that is NOT a good thing to admit too.... nor does it validate 'fans'claims but it merely underlines your gullability towards the hype... :)

that is NOT a good thing to admit too.... nor does it validate 'fans'claims but it merely underlines your gullability towards the hype... :)

No, I disagree. I thought she was a good singer, but I was still a bit skeptical about her until that last day... I wasn't led by any hype but I just thought that whole duet was SPECTACULAR and I thought she oozed emotion in the live Hallelujah performance. I havent even bothered buying the single because I much prefer the live version... So much emoton. Its just my personal preference, nothing to do with the Media or Simon Cowell. :)

Cowell was overhyping her without doubt with talk of "world class performance" "a star is born" in the final and so on, I think she is good but certainly nowhere near world class, Beyonce had to really hold herself back to avod totally drowning out Alexandra so she is a million miles behind Beyonce vocally

 

I think Alex is a competent performer but not a world class magastar

 

Indeed, having just watched Jools Holland's Annual Hootenanny show on BBC iPlayer there was no shortage of "World Class Performances" from UK female singers Duffy, Adele, Lily Allen (a shockingly great turn at "The Lady Is A Tramp") & a peerless performance from a back on form Annie Lennox of "Why".

 

Anyone with half a musical ear can tell that Alexandra Burke is nowhere near their league in terms of star quality.