February 25, 200916 yr still better than The Killers' discography, Luciano How Kyle of you :lol: I must admit I've missed those kind of comments to be frank. Where the hell have you been? Or where the hell have I been??? :wacko: Anyways, I might've touched your heart in a not very pleasent way with what I've said, but remember I never said his latest material was bad at any means, just not earth-shattering like it used to be (if that made any sense). Nevertheless, this is only my humble opinion :P ...And Leave The Killers alone! :( Edited February 25, 200916 yr by Luciano
February 28, 200916 yr I'm suprised no one has mentioned his dig at popstars in his song 'The World Is Full Of Crushing Bores' yet: "It's just more lockjaw popstars, thicker than pig$h!t, nothing to convey, they're so scared to show intelligence, it might smear their lovely career" Think of the countless amount of people that applies to right now :D
February 28, 200916 yr I'm suprised no one has mentioned his dig at popstars in his song 'The World Is Full Of Crushing Bores' yet: "It's just more lockjaw popstars, thicker than pig$h!t, nothing to convey, they're so scared to show intelligence, it might smear their lovely career" Think of the countless amount of people that applies to right now :D Loads, :heehee: but I can't recall the last ground breaking thing Morrisey did. [Except that NME, which wasn't even ground breaking, just confusion].
February 28, 200916 yr They don't make them like they used to: http://foreverill.com/interviews/1985/burns1.jpg "A FRIENDSHIP MADE IN HEAVEN" Morrissey and Pete Burns interviewed by Ian Cranna Smash Hits, October 22, 1985 "It's a big step for us doing this piece together," says a bouncy good-humoured Pete Burns. "We could have done it for The Sun. Can you imagine what they would have made of it?" Indeed -- this seemingly-unlikely friendship between two of pop's most "awkward" and "newsworthy" stars is a scoop the tabloids would undoubtedly go bonkers for. Morrissey and Pete Burns -- bosom chums!? Who'd have thought it? We're in Pete and Lynne Burns' new flat. Unlike their previous home, with its ferns, mirror-tiles and clutter of kitsch objets d'art, this one is v. smart and modern (almost hi-tech) with lots of gold discs and framed magazine covers on the walls. The only animal skins here belong to the two (live) cats snoozing on the cushions. Pete and Lynne are fussing around Morrissey like a pair of mother hens. "Toasted sandwiches?" enquires Lynne solicitously. "What would you like?" "Cheese?" suggests Pete, arching an eyebrow. "Or cat food?" Eventually the odd couple are seated side by side on the slim red sofa, Morrissey with his Marks and Spencer Apricot And Guava Thick & Creamy Yoghurt -- yum! -- and Pete Burns knee-deep in packets of biscuits. "I know people who think 'My God! What can Pete see in Morrissey?'" says Pete. "Yes," says Morrissey, "and I know people who think 'What can Pete see in Morrissey?'" The pair dissolve in laughter. Quite clearly they adore each other -- but why? Morrissey: Before I met Peter I had a very strange impression of him -- I just went by stray gossip and hearsay and mythology and so I thought he was a half-crazed oddball. But deep down inside, as time began to pass, I began to really concentrate on this specimen and I though 'Oh no, it can't be true. I refuse to believe in all the curious things I've heard." And I really wanted to meet him because I saw a video which was wonderful... Pete: Which one? Morrissey: Um, the weird one with the women body builders... Pete: That was crap... Morrissey: ... and then we met and it was really odd because all these preconceptions I'd had about Pete were completely untrue. I approached him at Top Of The Pops... Pete: In the toilet... Morrissey: And I thought it would either be a black eye or it would be heavenly harmony... Pete: He came up and spoke to me, which was a brave thing to do, so I decided to be polite to him and from then on we struck up a friendship that's been enduring. Before I met him, I thought he was a malicious little prat -- sometimes the things he says about other musicians are so strong. Morrissey has no mercy, you see, and that is where we differ... I'm a lot more charitable than people would expect but he's not, you see. I'd be very careful what I said about other people's records because I don't think it's fair... Morrissey: Oh, I do. It's only because I really care about popular music that I feel this Samaritanesque duty to go out and nail those that need to be nailed. Pete: I heard him on Roundtable and wrote him a letter saying he should hire three bodyguards and a tank -- he's really the one with the nasty tongue. Morrissey: I think it's sad that Pete does so few interviews: as a symbolist he is quite a critical figure and he's certainly one of the most threatening, and I think people need to hear his spoken voice as well as his singing voice. I think it's a shame that now he's come to massive prominence, he's locked himself away in a broom cupboard. Pete: But I have no wish to be acknowledged for anything I say. Before we started to become successful nobody paid me any attention -- I could have shot the Pope and I still wouldn't have got on the cover of a magazine. But then everybody wanted to talk to me and it went mental -- the return of the gender bender and all that crap. People set me up as something that I'm not. It's like with Morrissey -- he can inspire hatred. He makes the most outrageous statements and everyone prints them and he stands by them. Everybody wants him to say he's a clapped-out old drag queen, but he isn't and so he won't say it. Morrissey: Peter is seen as a sour character and a bit of a trouble maker but that just isn't the case. He has an endless array of humour that has been gagged by the press. Pete: Yeah, I'm really not such a bitter old sourpuss. But when I'm under pressure and working, my sense of humour isn't always there. When people try to pour custard on me... we did a TV show where they wanted to walk on halfway through the song and give me jam sandwiches and I won't have things like that. Morrissey can cut himself off a lot better than I can; he doesn't have second thoughts about knocking the phone off the hook and not going out the door for five days. I'm too nosey -- I want to know what everyone's saying. Old Mozza here is dead good at doing runners and dismissing the business for a week or so, don't you think? Morrissey: Yes. Yes. It's just a safety net, really; I have to seal up the door and roll down the windows and hide. Pete: But despite these differences, I feel a very strong affinity with him -- almost a brotherly thing. We've got a lot in common. We're both outsiders of the music business: we don't blend in on the showbiz party circuit; we don't stage huge publicity stunts; we don't throw Page 3 girls over our backs and get photographed at the Hippodrome... Morrissey: Peter is so detached from the pantomime element of the whole industry and the whole party ethic and so are The Smiths. The only people we know in the industry are Dead Or Alive. The only people we see in the industry are Dead Or Alive... Pete: And I'm a Smiths fan, embarrassingly enough -- I'm not supposed to admit that but it's always exciting when they're on Top Of The Pops... Morrissey: It's only exciting because we're the group that shouldn't be there... Pete: I followed them on a whole tour. I was like a crazed groupie. Morrissey would be in some clapped-out hotel somewhere and I'd show up -- because I could always find him. Do you want anything to eat or drink? Morrissey: No, I'll have something quite soon. Pete: Why, are you feeling queasy? Morrissey: No... can I open these Coffee Creams? Pete: Of course you can... I'm still getting to know Morrissey, really, but it's great having a friend like that because in this business you sometimes think you're going insane because you're not at the Wag Club with the famous starlets. Meeting him was great because we're both public figures and yet we're both at home eating toast at 10:30 on a Saturday night. We both know that we can phone each other up at any time of the day or night and we'll be at home. We keep in touch all the time, but I doubt if you'll see us braving night clubs together or anything. Whereas most pop stars who strike up a friendship, the first thing they'll do is whizz out to every public place together. But we went for a three hour walk in the park the other day, didn't we, and we froze to death and we walked through teams of rugby players... It does seem at the moment to be a friendship made in heaven, doesn't it? We had a screaming row the other night -- it was an absolute screamer. I blew my top. Morrissey: It was horrible. It was terrible. Pete: It's great to find a friend you can row with. I phone him up from Italy and everywhere, don't I? Even my own mother doesn't hear from me... Morrissey: I think he means to phone his mother but he gets confused and dials my number instead. And he doesn't realise until we're half way through the conversation that I'm not actually his mother. Pete: He's not my mother... Morrissey: As long as I don't have to breast feed, I don't mind. Pete: Oh, that was a sharp one, Joan Rivers! Morrissey: He sends me flowers lots of times... Pete: If I hear that he's down or depressed, I'll send him a bunch of flowers. Nothing brings him out like a bunch of flowers. Send him a bunch of daisies and he's anybody's. It's true, we have these little Interfiora men running between our flats, don't we, eh? He's anybody's for a lupin. When we were in Italy we had to have all these armed military police to guard us which was so stupid and it was freaking me out and so I phoned him up and he was making a piece of toast in Manchester. It really brought me back down to earth -- you know, 'What are you doing?', 'Oh, I've got a piece of toast on the stove and I'm watching Brookside'. It makes you realise it's still the same world. That's why our friendship is really important. I know it's more important to me than it is to him because he'd gladly go off and be a recluse. Morrissey: No, that's not true. He sent me 26 roses when it was my birthday and I sent him 48 naked sailors. Pete: See, I've met my match, tongue-wise. I always cheer you up, don't I? Morrissey: Always. Always. Most of the people I have ever met have somebody who they can fall back into their arms -- Peter's relationship with Lynne is enviable. When I fall back, I hit concrete... Pete: But I phone him up and cheer him up. If I was alone in this business -- alone in my bed at night -- I'd have flipped out. I certainly wouldn't meet anyone now -- there's no way I'd get involved with somebody now due to the fact that I'm successful. It's very easy when you're famous to get into somebody's underpants. Or knickers. It's served up on a plate with relish -- but you would not glean any relationship from it. If Morrissey was to get a relationship now, a lot of people would treat him with kid gloves and think 'Oh Morrissey! Morrissey!' and relate to him in awe. You'd have trouble finding a steady relationship now... Morrissey: As opposed to before when it was really easy... Pete: He's best without all that aggro because he'd immediately feel used by whoever he was with... Morrissey: I want to be used. I want to be used. Pete: See. That's how Morrissey sells records -- by making himself sound available and cheap. I don't think you'll find a relationship for a while -- until you've had four flop records. And I think his creativity would go down the toilet -- Morrissey's appeal is in his public face of loneliness. What else could he write about? 'Everything's wonderful. I'm so happy today.' There'd be no sense of drama in it. Morrissey: Peter's appeal is that he's relentlessly exciting in every single way. Pete: Isn't he lovely? Morrissey: Specially the first time "You Spin Me Round" was on Top Of The Pops. That was just barbaric; it was demonic. "You Spin Me Round" is a hallmark in British music and it will never ever date. Pete: You provocative little minx, you. Morrissey: But to be perfectly serious about this whole thing, Pete has been a wonderful friend to me. He really does care and when I get depressed he'll pester me and he'll persecute in a wonderful way. Other people will just leave me alone but he won't do that. He'll stay there and take me out of the whole thing. And that is really priceless to me. Pete: That's a lovely thing to say. I'm touched. (^ Sounds like a potential MSN conversation between Russt & Grimly :rofl:) Back in the Pre Stock Aitken & Waterman era 1980s Smash Hits was filled on a weekly basis with various British pop acts of the time who frequently did as entertaining interviews to match the quality of their records that frequently conquered America. Once a fortnight you'd have Duran Duran slag off Spandau Ballet; the next you'd have Culture Club's Boy George slag off Wham!'s George Michael; the next you'd have The Cure's Robert Smith slag off The Style Council's Paul Weller; the next you'd have PIL's John Lydon slag off ... everybody else; etc. The major reason for this being that they were "artists" who created "their OWN music"; not stage/talent school puppets being produced by an anonymous 30/40s something's production teams and being PR'd to within an inch of their lives. It is probably the reason why us 30 somethings on this site see nothing amazing about Simon Cowell telling it how it is; because we grew up with popstars all doing that. And what was Simon Cowell doing in the 1980s...... iw0yfiRz9zY Wonder Dog who had a minor Top 30 hit in 1982
February 28, 200916 yr Back in the Pre Stock Aitken & Waterman era 1980s Smash Hits was filled on a weekly basis with various British pop acts of the time who frequently did as entertaining interviews to match the quality of their records that frequently conquered America. Once a fortnight you'd have Duran Duran slag off Spandau Ballet; the next you'd have Culture Club's Boy George slag off Wham!'s George Michael; the next you'd have The Cure's Robert Smith slag off The Style Council's Paul Weller; the next you'd have PIL's John Lydon slag off ... everybody else; etc. The major reason for this being that they were "artists" who crated "their OWN music"; not stage/talent school puppets being produced by an anonymous 30/40s something's production teams and being PR'd to within an inch of their lives. It is probably the reason why us 30 somethings on this site see nothing amazing about Simon Cowell telling it how it is; because we grew up with popstars all doing that. So true Edited February 28, 200916 yr by FireWoman
March 1, 200916 yr I do like what Morrissey is saying but surely it can't be that boring, uninnovative is the better word. ;)
March 12, 200916 yr (^ Sounds like a potential MSN conversation between Russt & Grimly :rofl:) Back in the Pre Stock Aitken & Waterman era 1980s Smash Hits was filled on a weekly basis with various British pop acts of the time who frequently did as entertaining interviews to match the quality of their records that frequently conquered America. Once a fortnight you'd have Duran Duran slag off Spandau Ballet; the next you'd have Culture Club's Boy George slag off Wham!'s George Michael; the next you'd have The Cure's Robert Smith slag off The Style Council's Paul Weller; the next you'd have PIL's John Lydon slag off ... everybody else; etc. The major reason for this being that they were "artists" who created "their OWN music"; not stage/talent school puppets being produced by an anonymous 30/40s something's production teams and being PR'd to within an inch of their lives. It is probably the reason why us 30 somethings on this site see nothing amazing about Simon Cowell telling it how it is; because we grew up with popstars all doing that. are you trying to say Grimly and I are pithy, bitchy, spiteful old harridans whose only answer to most things these days is a curled lip and a roll of the eyes? ;) You're bang on the money as always ;) :P And as for the Cowell comments - true true true.... who gave a $h!t what boring businessmen in music had to say in the 80s when you had blabbermouths like Morrissey, Burns, Weller, Siouxsie, Lydon et al who were all more than capable of speaking their own minds - quite ferociously? The only mouthy pop stars these days, bar Noel Gallagher, are monosyllabic morons who would be too afraid to say what they think for fear of a slap round the ear with a peep-toe stiletto by Louise Walsh. The most newsworthy, groundbreaking thing the likes of Cole, Beckham or Spears would have to comment on would be the beautiful shade of lippy Chanel have just released... or how fabulously John Frieda has cut their wigs. More a case of there is a light that never comes on than one that never goes out, I'm afraid ;)
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