How do you pay for your internet access at home?

 

 

From my Incapacity Benefit. Why? Can't see what that has to do with anything. I don't get free Internet if that's what you mean!!! :rolleyes:

Edited February 20, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

That's why the child should be taken away from them and given to foster parents who can afford to look a baby. Alfie and Chantelle parents shouldn't be allowed to look after the baby because they have just proved that they can't take care of their own kids. I'm sure Alfie and Chantelle are hoping to spend time with their mates and dump the baby on to their parents.

 

 

What about the parents' right to bring up their own child providing it's not "at risk" at all? How it will be supported is nothing to do with it. How do you know Alfie won't be working at 16 or Chantelle, with her baby in a creche? Why cast aspersions on people you don't even know, only what's been read in the press.

Edited February 20, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

Well done Joao.... And spot on as well... Plenty of people have mental illnesses, clinical depression, disabilities, etc, and can function perfectly well, study, go to uni, hold down a job (part-time, working from home, self-employed....), etc.... tbh, I think Chris is just making excuses..... And age is certainly no barrier to education either... I know people well into their 40s and 50s studying full-time degrees, and I work with students who are disabled, they're getting out there, doing for themselves, empowering themselves....

 

 

Well in my opinion people in their late 40's and 50's are wasting their time studying full time for a degree. Especially anyone 50+ as they'll have no time to put it to any use will they? They'll be retired soon! See I've backed my opinion up with valid reasoning!

Edited February 20, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

no...im in derby not london, it was splashed all over the media, quite rightly, but it just aint the same.. besides the concept that 'your taxes go to fund a war' does NOT mean we can carry on giving money to scroungers.

 

of course its different for different people .... as ive said, lifes made up of winners and losers, its about how you play the hand you are dealt more then what you have been dealt. chris gets harshly judged because he has a history of posting wild claims, outlandish opinions, without backing them up with reasoned thought. its ok having the opinion that "benefits should go up, people should get more" without considering exactly where the money would come from .... and that assuming the benefits system DOES need more money. many here are of the opinion that benefits should be cut, severely, because working people are sick and tired of paying taxes to fund their scummy lifestyle.

 

many of us workers would be better off on benefits... hows that right? how come many workers get less money for working then what they would if they scrounged? and crazy chris (possibly the most apt username ever!) thinks they should get more! if you or he cant see the offence that brings to us taxpayers then you are pretty dumb!

 

I've never ever ever ever said that your money should be going to "scroungers". I said that I'd prefer your money to go to them rather than a war which isn't your country's business, which results in hundreds of people being killed. And for what reason? I understand that you're against it, and that's really good, but it's still being funded and that's a big big problem.

 

Life isn't made up of anything like winners or losers. It isn't a game. It's made up with individuals who deal with life their own way. Everybody is good at something, and everybody is bad at something. The "winners and losers" attitude will make this world go down the toilet.

 

I've never once agreed with Chris' suggestion. I was asking people to put it into perspective. Again, it's up to you to change it. The government won't do anything unless there is a massive revolt.

 

 

Anyway, I'm not getting into an argument about whether or not someone who has clinical depression has control of themselves, because it's been proven that they don't. You kind of lose credibility when you start arguing against solid scientific fact lol.

 

+1 ^_^

 

Well in my opinion people in their late 40's and 50's are wasting their time studying full time for a degree. Especially anyone 50+ as they'll have no time to put it to any use will they? They'll be retired soon! See I've backed my opinion up with valid reasoning!

 

 

Well when you retire, (is that the right phrase), will you be able to look back on your life and say " Well I achieved everything I set out to", or will you say "Sod you lot, keep paying your taxes". I would have a little bit more respect if you actually got out there and made an effort. I mean surely its a case of what you can do rather what you can't. If you are saying there is nothing at all you can do, then that is shocking. Have you no self respect.

This thread shocks and astounds me. The sheer amount of ignorant middle-classite approach to working class culture and exceptions?

 

Let's break this down shall we. What exactly do you lot base this view that "chav scum are getting tonnes of benefits from me and leading cushy lifestyles"? Do you KNOW of lots of people directly? Or are many of you as I suspect making some massive assumptions based upon the stories that the right wing press continually spurt out. Supression and generalisation of the working classes. Tarnishing them with one brush. Do you honestly believe that these people live under an umbrella of benefits and have lovely lives? Of course they don't. I have friends who have had babies young and they have a miserable time, they barely get enough benefits to survive, live in squalid and awful homes and have no real prospects. Count yourselves lucky I say. And also, these pregnancy stories are extreme and rare stories yet people use individual cases to make mass assumptions.

 

I'm disappointed in you Scott. You sound like you've redrafted marixism into some nazi-lite bull$h!t with some of what you've suggested in this thread. I mean srsly guyz some of you are living in some bizarre bubble of "middle classnicity", who are any of you guys to judge Chris? Do you know him or his mindset? Depression is a f***ing awful thing and I doubt he wishes to be doing nothing his entire life. But to TELL someone what they are when you've never met them, well it smacks of pig-ignorance if nothing else. I don't agree that benefits should be increased but I certainly respect his right to state an opinion without reverting to vulgarity and bully-boy ways.

 

Also Josh, "remove benefits for those teens having children", "take babies off them", what is this xenophobic, nazi-ish ways. It's repugnant! Who is society to judge? People have rights to have their children. You can't abolish the working class through stopping them having children and the like :/ Social-cleansing is a nayr way to go.

 

And on a final note: look at all the energy that goes into stories printed by the right-wing media about the working class and how they "rob us". What about the bourgeois ze and how many of them evade tax? Doesn't get much/any coverage does it? Doesn't leave people angry like one teen having a baby. Some people should get their heads out of their tunnel-vision minds and mentally transcend beyond wot dez newspaperz tell uz. Go to Hackney, see these people live. Then you'd know...

Well when you retire, (is that the right phrase), will you be able to look back on your life and say " Well I achieved everything I set out to", or will you say "Sod you lot, keep paying your taxes". I would have a little bit more respect if you actually got out there and made an effort. I mean surely its a case of what you can do rather what you can't. If you are saying there is nothing at all you can do, then that is shocking. Have you no self respect.

 

Well put Bri.....

 

It's totally irrelevant whether or not these folks are going to be gainfully employed or not, this isn't the POINT of a pure education... The point of education is to expand minds and experience things, and LEARN...... The learning is reward in itself surely Chris.... I really cant stand people who just sit on their arse and let life pass them by and the fact that the people I'm working with have almost certainly infinitely WORSE adversities (do you honestly believe you're somehow worse off than a person with Cerebral Palsy who's working hard at uni to become a law clerk...?) to overcome than these utter parasites who sit on the dole doing bugger all, just staggers me

 

If you make excuses for these people (ie, Chavs), then you should be fukkin' ashamed of yourself and get out there and see how people who overcome real adversity are empowering themselves and trying to make their lives better, I work with these people on a daily basis, and they never, ever sit back and feel sorry for themselves.....

 

This thread shocks and astounds me. The sheer amount of ignorant middle-classite approach to working class culture and exceptions?

 

Let's break this down shall we. What exactly do you lot base this view that "chav scum are getting tonnes of benefits from me and leading cushy lifestyles"? Do you KNOW of lots of people directly? Or are many of you as I suspect making some massive assumptions based upon the stories that the right wing press continually spurt out. Supression and generalisation of the working classes. Tarnishing them with one brush. Do you honestly believe that these people live under an umbrella of benefits and have lovely lives? Of course they don't. I have friends who have had babies young and they have a miserable time, they barely get enough benefits to survive, live in squalid and awful homes and have no real prospects. Count yourselves lucky I say. And also, these pregnancy stories are extreme and rare stories yet people use individual cases to make mass assumptions.

 

I'm disappointed in you Scott. You sound like you've redrafted marixism into some nazi-lite bull$h!t with some of what you've suggested in this thread. I mean srsly guyz some of you are living in some bizarre bubble of "middle classnicity", who are any of you guys to judge Chris? Do you know him or his mindset? Depression is a f***ing awful thing and I doubt he wishes to be doing nothing his entire life. But to TELL someone what they are when you've never met them, well it smacks of pig-ignorance if nothing else. I don't agree that benefits should be increased but I certainly respect his right to state an opinion without reverting to vulgarity and bully-boy ways.

 

Also Josh, "remove benefits for those teens having children", "take babies off them", what is this xenophobic, nazi-ish ways. It's repugnant! Who is society to judge? People have rights to have their children. You can't abolish the working class through stopping them having children and the like :/ Social-cleansing is a nayr way to go.

 

And on a final note: look at all the energy that goes into stories printed by the right-wing media about the working class and how they "rob us". What about the bourgeois ze and how many of them evade tax? Doesn't get much/any coverage does it? Doesn't leave people angry like one teen having a baby. Some people should get their heads out of their tunnel-vision minds and mentally transcend beyond wot dez newspaperz tell uz. Go to Hackney, see these people live. Then you'd know...

 

What the fukk are you talking about "working class", these people are NOT bloody "working class"....... <_< How DARE you insult the working classes by adding these scum to their numbers, they insult the real working classes.... I'm Working Class through and through.... My parents, my grandparents..... ALL worked for a living..... I worked hard to afford a decent education for myself and I fukkin' well worked hard when I DID go to uni to achieve my First Class honours, and yeah, I'm bragging about it, why the fukk shouldn't I...? I put in the hours, I put in the work, and it PAID OFF in the end, if I can do it with a little application and hard work, then really, anyone potentially can if they make the effort....

 

Chris, is the guy who sits on his fukkin' arse all day and then has the nerve to diss teachers and say that they're lazy (and he's made several post making HUGE generalised, sweeping statements about the teaching profession in the past) when the facts just do NOT bear this out, you are VERY foolish indeed to defend anything this guy has to say, tbh

 

And just how the hell are my opinions actually "nazi", they're the fukkin' complete OPPOSITE if you actually sit down and think about it.... I don't want these people to just waste away and do nothing, I want them to be genuine WORKING CLASS and politically active..... Oh, yeah, how fukkin' "nazi" of me, to actually think that these people should actually live up to their potential and stop making excuses and stop being SO BLOODY APATHETIC about the sh!t that's going on in the world...... Nothing will EVER change so long as this underclass exists with its total lack of ambition and aspirations..... In the 50s and 60s being "working class" DID actually mean something. and it still means something in countries like France, Greece and Spain where there is genuine unrest and tension between the workers and the State.....

 

What about the bourgeois ze and how many of them evade tax? Doesn't get much/any coverage does it?

 

On this point I am with you 100%... I regard these people as being utter scum as well tbh.... As bad as chavs, they just happen to be rich parasites feeding off the blood of the workers..... Robbing, thieving b/astards whom I would happily line up against a wall and shoot.....

 

See, I aint playing favourites mate, a parasite is a parasite.... :rolleyes:

What the fukk are you talking about "working class", these people are NOT bloody "working class"....... <_< How DARE you insult the working classes by adding these scum to their numbers, they insult the real working classes.... I'm Working Class through and through.... My parents, my grandparents..... ALL worked for a living..... I worked hard to afford a decent education for myself and I fukkin' well worked hard when I DID go to uni to achieve my First Class honours, and yeah, I'm bragging about it, why the fukk shouldn't I...? I put in the hours, I put in the work, and it PAID OFF in the end, if I can do it with a little application and hard work, then really, anyone potentially can if they make the effort....

 

Chris, is the guy who sits on his fukkin' arse all day and then has the nerve to diss teachers and say that they're lazy (and he's made several post making HUGE generalised, sweeping statements about the teaching profession in the past) when the facts just do NOT bear this out, you are VERY foolish indeed to defend anything this guy has to say, tbh

First paragraph you've gone off on a tangent that had nothing to do with my point at all. It's merely a label. But I'll response nonetheless Is the working class in 2008 the same as when you were growing up? Of course not. In the same way that youth subcultures are completely different these days. The ethnic profile for a start is completely different so culturally it alters what we can label as "working class per se". A technical definition:

 

The group of people generally identified in Marxist theory as the proletariat. Although they are in a struggle for power with the bourgeoisie, the members of the working class must, nonetheless, sell their labor to the bourgeoisie to produce the material needs for their society.

A slightly archaic definition but for the most part relatively true. It's a tiny minority who sit on their arses. What social class are they then?

 

Furthermore there are all sorts of reasons as to why "working class" (please note my use of speech marks!) individuals fail to excel. Down to upbringing (a major influence), influence of others on them. Tie in a lack of ability to actually get a quality education (selective schools etc). It places you in a lucky minority. I come from Moss Side in Manchester and now live in Hackney, London. My Mum's from a Welsh mining community, my Father from Hull. So I know all about being working class. My Mum has worked day and night to give me the oppurtunities I now have. I've got friends who've come and gone and been less fortunate. You surely must see that not everyone has the ability to do well just because you did? It's so complex.

 

As for Chris: I don't agree with him at all. I don't defend his words because I lean in essentially the totally opposite political direction. I'm a communist pretty much but I still think he has a right to say what he thinks without having abuse thrown at him and his own circumstances brought into question. I don't like seeing anyone torn apart with their real life cussed whether they express the same political ideology as me or not. The way I see it is that the facts should be debated. Too much bull$h!t in this thread, questioning his personal circumstances and throwing abuse at him doesn't "win" an argument imho. It just shows a lack of articulation and rudeness. There's so much assumption in this thread (in general) and too little fact. Too much of people stating what the right wing media tells them. It's f***ing puppetry man.

 

Let's add a bit of Marxist media theory into the mix here:

 

The class which has the means of material production at its disposal has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it.

 

So essentially the mass media serves as a means of producing 'false consciousness' (so to speak). Marx argued this sense of 'false consciousness' was present within the working classes but it easily extends into our middle classes too (a thing which didn't really exist in his day obviously). All of this leads to an extreme stance whereby media products are seen as monolithic expressions of ruling class values, which ignores any diversity of values within the ruling class and within the media, and the possibility of oppositional readings by media audiences.

 

People here are basing their opinions on what exactly? The majority of this site is grassroots middle class. Do any of them KNOW people in these situations? I very much doubt it. So what are their opinions based on? Erm and back to Marxist theory we doth go.

 

 

And just how the hell are my opinions actually "nazi", they're the fukkin' complete OPPOSITE if you actually sit down and think about it.... I don't want these people to just waste away and do nothing, I want them to be genuine WORKING CLASS and politically active..... Oh, yeah, how fukkin' "nazi" of me, to actually think that these people should actually live up to their potential and stop making excuses and stop being SO BLOODY APATHETIC about the sh!t that's going on in the world...... Nothing will EVER change so long as this underclass exists with its total lack of ambition and aspirations..... In the 50s and 60s being "working class" DID actually mean something. and it still means something in countries like France, Greece and Spain where there is genuine unrest and tension between the workers and the State.....

 

I am not calling you a nazi in literal form at all, rather the extreme and unabashed manner in which you hold and state your opinions. You're too bloody extreme and generalising at times:

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, it suits the ruling elites to have an underclass who are utterly pig-sh!t ignorant, totally apathetic, and whose entire purpose is to breed and preferably die young, such people do not challenge the status quo, they do not challenge the Govt because they're to apathetic and ignorant to give a sh!t, they exist on a diet of Junk Food, Reality TV, Trisha, Eastenders, Corrie and Tabloid newspapers; they have nothing to say, nothing to contribute, they're just happy to exist in their totally ignorant, puerile state scrounging off the dole and contributing nothing to society but feral children and crime statistics.... This is not living mate, this is merely existing....

 

It's when you say things like above that I get confused. It's a bit Marxist but then you go and get extreme with the generalisations and what not. "Underclass"? One could argue you're generalising a tiny minority and vilifying an entire class of people. I don't deny a proportion of those people exist but that's natural in a capitalist society no? But a government wanting them to die young (?!!). You lose me at that stage because it just doesn't make sense. It's theory based on what is in my opinion, an out-dated social hierarchy. 1950s/60s perhaps but not so now.

 

The last line is particularly nazi-lite imo. You are just spouting the very bull$h!t the right wing media spews out.

 

Meh I'm totally inarticulate at this hour so this has come off a bit jumbled. I may try and rectify/redit what I've written when I'm next about.

A slightly archaic definition but for the most part relatively true. It's a tiny minority who sit on their arses. What social class are they then?

 

Well, surely they're the "chav" class, or NEDs if you want to take the Scots vernacular... NED, stands for Non-Educated Delinquent... Pretty appropriate wouldn't you say.....?

 

The power of the workers was eroded thanks to Thatcherism and her anti-union legislation, and her purely ideological battle against the miners, she sent the Police into basically destroy them, dividing and conquering the working class movement also, working class coppers kicking the heads in of working class miners, when both parties should have joined up and destroyed HER...... Of course, Thatch used media manipulation techniques to push her message, she got the Saatchis involved, and also the likes of Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black played their roles..... But, she never did quite manage to convince the BBC, and especially Sir Robin Day, who made very little effort to hide the fact that he utterly DESPISED her..... :lol: :lol: No wonder the Tories spent so much time trying to undermine the Beeb.....

 

The reason I mention Thatcher, well, if you ask me, she was instrumental in the creation of Chavs and chav culture..... Chavs are very much a Thatcherite creation, which is why I despise them utterly, they're Thatcher's children through and through, the very product of the notion of her notorious quote "there's no such thing as society"...... Why doesn't Sweden, Holland, Norway, Germany or Denmark have chavs....? Simple, they have a system of social democracy and social justice in which labour, capital and state actually work together for mutual advantage, unions are more powerful and actually look out for their members' interests far more effectively.... Scandinavia has the best childcare system in the EU, the needs of working parents are looked after by the state and employers, and people are actually given an incentive to work and to go into education...

 

How did they get it so right, and we get it so wrong.....?

 

Well, surely they're the "chav" class, or NEDs if you want to take the Scots vernacular... NED, stands for Non-Educated Delinquent... Pretty appropriate wouldn't you say.....?

 

The power of the workers was eroded thanks to Thatcherism and her anti-union legislation, and her purely ideological battle against the miners, she sent the Police into basically destroy them, dividing and conquering the working class movement also, working class coppers kicking the heads in of working class miners, when both parties should have joined up and destroyed HER...... Of course, Thatch used media manipulation techniques to push her message, she got the Saatchis involved, and also the likes of Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black played their roles..... But, she never did quite manage to convince the BBC, and especially Sir Robin Day, who made very little effort to hide the fact that he utterly DESPISED her..... :lol: :lol: No wonder the Tories spent so much time trying to undermine the Beeb.....

 

The reason I mention Thatcher, well, if you ask me, she was instrumental in the creation of Chavs and chav culture..... Chavs are very much a Thatcherite creation, which is why I despise them utterly, they're Thatcher's children through and through, the very product of the notion of her notorious quote "there's no such thing as society"...... Why doesn't Sweden, Holland, Norway, Germany or Denmark have chavs....? Simple, they have a system of social democracy and social justice in which labour, capital and state actually work together for mutual advantage, unions are more powerful and actually look out for their members' interests far more effectively.... Scandinavia has the best childcare system in the EU, the needs of working parents are looked after by the state and employers, and people are actually given an incentive to work and to go into education...

 

How did they get it so right, and we get it so wrong.....?

I, nor any sociologist would say "chav" is a social class. It's a subculture of a social class but an offshoot nonetheless. These people are 'working class' by technicality even if they don't fit the traditional, positive definition of the phrase.

 

And I agree with everything else you say. It's total bourgeois politics to the very core. I detest Maggie as much as you tbf.

 

As for WHY we differ from those nations so astutely, well it's too complex and large really but I'd argue it's down to a difference in political direction during the catalytic 1980s, the fact we garnered our youth from a much earlier time, our leaning towards our über-capitalist "cousin" the USA and much more. But it's so much more complex then that as I said and I'm sure you agree.

 

What an interesting direction this debate has taken :o

I, nor any sociologist would say "chav" is a social class. It's a subculture of a social class but an offshoot nonetheless. These people are 'working class' by technicality even if they don't fit the traditional, positive definition of the phrase.

 

Sorry mate, I just refuse to recognise them as being my "working class" brethren.... I really have nothing in common with them, and they have nothing in common with me (I feel I have far more in common with my immigrant working class 'cousins' than brit-born chavs), and I still maintain to be genuinely working class you actually have to take part in society and be a part of it, they dont, they feed off the rest of us, like these bourgeois tax evaders you talked about, or the scummy Royals and aristocracy who stole from the working man and woman down the centuries....

 

What the fukk are you talking about "working class", these people are NOT bloody "working class"....... <_< How DARE you insult the working classes by adding these scum to their numbers, they insult the real working classes.... I'm Working Class through and through.... My parents, my grandparents..... ALL worked for a living..... I worked hard to afford a decent education for myself and I fukkin' well worked hard when I DID go to uni to achieve my First Class honours, and yeah, I'm bragging about it, why the fukk shouldn't I...? I put in the hours, I put in the work, and it PAID OFF in the end, if I can do it with a little application and hard work, then really, anyone potentially can if they make the effort....

 

Chris, is the guy who sits on his fukkin' arse all day and then has the nerve to diss teachers and say that they're lazy (and he's made several post making HUGE generalised, sweeping statements about the teaching profession in the past) when the facts just do NOT bear this out, you are VERY foolish indeed to defend anything this guy has to say, tbh

 

And just how the hell are my opinions actually "nazi", they're the fukkin' complete OPPOSITE if you actually sit down and think about it.... I don't want these people to just waste away and do nothing, I want them to be genuine WORKING CLASS and politically active..... Oh, yeah, how fukkin' "nazi" of me, to actually think that these people should actually live up to their potential and stop making excuses and stop being SO BLOODY APATHETIC about the sh!t that's going on in the world...... Nothing will EVER change so long as this underclass exists with its total lack of ambition and aspirations..... In the 50s and 60s being "working class" DID actually mean something. and it still means something in countries like France, Greece and Spain where there is genuine unrest and tension between the workers and the State.....

 

 

Of course they're working class. There's no class beneath working class despite you wanting there to be. There was a question on another forum asking if you could do any job in the world what would it be. I answered "teacher for the 13 weeks holiday a year" That wasn't dissing teachers and I didn't here before. It's a fact that they do get so many weeks holiday. No-one can argue with that. Pupils off those weeks so no-one to teach. Name me any other worker who gets a quarter of the year off.

Edited February 21, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

Of course they're working class. There's no class beneath working class despite you wanting there to be. There was a question on another forum asking if you could do any job in the world what would it be. I answered "teacher for the 13 weeks holiday a year" That wasn't dissing teachers and I didn't here before. It's a fact that they do get so many weeks holiday. No-one can argue with that. Pupils off those weeks so no-one to teach. Name me any other worker who gets a quarter of the year off.

 

LOL Chris :rolleyes:

 

You are either about 12 and on a total pisstake with the drivel you spout on this forum or you are pig ignorant, which one is it ?

 

On top of everything else you have no idea about the teaching profession

 

Have you any idea how much work teachers put in outside of school hours ? marking, preparing lessons, out of school activities, if you think they just turn up at 8.45 and go home at half 3 and turn on the telly then you are clueless mate, my sister is a teacher and is often doing stuff at home for the following day at 10pm !

 

If you include unpaid out of school work as hours I can assure you if its all added together they probably get less REAL time off than other professions

Edited February 21, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

Anyway, I'm not getting into an argument about whether or not someone who has clinical depression has control of themselves, because it's been proven that they don't. You kind of lose credibility when you start arguing against solid scientific fact lol.

 

so jao is a liar then?

 

Life isn't made up of anything like winners or losers. It isn't a game. It's made up with individuals who deal with life their own way. Everybody is good at something, and everybody is bad at something.

 

that contracdicts yourself and supports what i said. of course its about dealing with situations in our own way, some will have the wherewithall to be successful...winners... others havnt the gumption, losers. the card game was an analogy

 

 

Let's break this down shall we. What exactly do you lot base this view that "chav scum are getting tonnes of benefits from me and leading cushy lifestyles"? Do you KNOW of lots of people directly? Or are many of you as I suspect making some massive assumptions based upon the stories that the right wing press continually spurt out.

 

yep...i know people... if we ARE making assumptions based on what the right wing press are saying answer me this...

 

how come my single mum sister would be better off on benefits then working? she like many other low paid workers would be better off on benefits... getting more money per week to live on then what she does working. she lives frugally, but if she was on benefits she could have a better standard of living whilst sitting on her arse all day watching jeremy kyle!

 

tv's wife swap swapped a lesbian benefits woman with a farmers wife.... she got more money then the farmer who worked 80 hours a week!!! and he was struggling!

 

so it aint right wing rhetoric, its a fact, many on benefits are better off then us workers and many young thick scumbag girls pop kids out just to be kept in reletive FREE luxury.

 

Of course they're working class. There's no class beneath working class despite you wanting there to be. There was a question on another forum asking if you could do any job in the world what would it be. I answered "teacher for the 13 weeks holiday a year" That wasn't dissing teachers and I didn't here before. It's a fact that they do get so many weeks holiday. No-one can argue with that. Pupils off those weeks so no-one to teach. Name me any other worker who gets a quarter of the year off.

 

agreed with craig...your ignorance of teachers work is astounding.

 

plus i wonder whether youd still want to give more of your money to benefits scum IF you were actually working? more for them = less in your paypacket... still think they deserve more?

Name me any other worker who gets a quarter of the year off.

 

Teachers DONT GET A QUARTER OF THE YEAR OFF you prat, they get no more actual "holiday" than anyone else........ <_< You really have no idea of what you are talking about.... And, I'm sorry, but someone who chooses to sit on their arse all day and not contribute a DAMN THING to society has absolutey no business whatsoever criticising noble professionals who have worked bloody hard to get where they are, just what the hell are YOU doing to contribute to society, because I know full well what teachers are contributing... They have to study for three years to get a degree and then another year's teacher training, an apprenticeship basically, with hardly any pay, you certainly dont join the teaching profession to become rich or to have an easy life.... A friend of mine is going through it now, and the day sure as hell does not end for her at 3.30, the paperwork she has to fill in is absolutely ghastly.... She's spending more time doing that sh!t than actually teaching the kids, often taking the paperwork home with her... And, er, who do you think it is that does all the marking for class exercises, exams, etc...? The fukkin' Marking Fairies.....? She teaches the kids for about five or six hours and then spends another three doing the paperwork.... You simply do NOT see what goes on 'behind the scenes'....

 

But yeah, you just carry on believing what the fukkin' right wing press feeds you......Moron....

so jao is a liar then?

 

Can I ask where somebody said that? Can you back that statement up?

 

that contracdicts yourself and supports what i said. of course its about dealing with situations in our own way, some will have the wherewithall to be successful...winners... others havnt the gumption, losers. the card game was an analogy

 

It doesn't. You deal with your life the way you want to. It isn't about winning or losing. It's that easy.