I don't like it as 6 minutes, I prefer the radio edit. I am really looking forward to seeing the video, with such an angelic song, it can be a really classy video.

Singles are there to promote albums and its sold over 600,000. Hopefully this will sell a few more. :yahoo:

 

It will because management are obviously going to reduce the album in price around the release time of untouchable and the tour. Its still quite expensive to buy OOC

 

I still hear The Promise ALOT on the radio!

 

Untouchable should get in top 10 as fans will buy the radio edit as it is complety different to the Album Version!

So you're saying just because of the album sales nobody will want to download or buy this or the flawlessly amazing radio edit for that matter, honestly I don't think I'm the deluded one. Just because it's a 3rd single doesn't mean it won't get top ten. It's GA ffs, it's always guaranteed! Rihanna's album sold heaps and she got how many top 10s? Any established act can get a 3rd single in the top 10 if they tried, even if the album sales are high! You're being incredibly one-sided, and always sticking to your same one point and ignoring all my plenty valid points. TLK did underachieve as a 2nd single I mean compare it to every other 2nd GA single which all went top 3/5 and TLK being better than most of the other GA singles. With every single, album sales always push up because there are still loads of people who don't have the album let alone the single! And this 3rd single really isn't that long after the album release for it not to go top 10. All it takes is the right promo and I'm going to keep mentioning it until you finally open your mind up to my opinions. PCD's 3rd single went top ten with the right promo. So did Oasis. So did Leona Lewis. So did Rihanna. So did The Saturdays (an unestablished act), even Miley with her Fly On The Wall only just missed top 10, I think it even outpeaked her first and second singles. Has it come to your mind how popular GA still are, The Promise got no.1 in this era, the first you could say 'credible' GA single to ever get no.1 since SOTU, and obviously their 2nd best single yet so what will stop their 3rd best single yet from not going top 10 with the correct promo, besides your one-sided album sales point? Nothing. It really isn't that impossible, gosh... This song could easily turn out to be Call The Shots or Cant Speak French, the second! Everyone thought CSF wouldnt go top 10 after the album sales and it did, and turned out to be one of their best selling singles yet. Untouchable will be even more better taken in by the public just because of the type of song it is and the type of radio edit it has and from the type of era it has come.. Bottom line it's GA, no matter how high their album sold, the singles are always going to sell and do well. If they released 'We Wanna Party' as the 3rd single then I'd understand why it wouldn't go top 10, but it's 'Untouchable' an almost guaranteed immense success! There is so much more practicality than logic to the whole release, and with just the logic of the album sales resulting in this not going top 10, literally has no backbone IMHO.

I've just read this entire thread at once, Kath you are deluded. Just because people do not agree with your point doesn't mean they aren't listening to you. Many people some of who are the biggest GA fans on here have presented reasoned theories with supporting evidence in response to your comments. Your own arguments are flawed but you refuse to see this. I think you should question why its so important to you that everyone agree with you. Even if they do, it won't make them more inclined to buy the song, or reduce the likelihood of your dreams being shattered if GA miss the top10 again. So what if they do? number 11 is one position from 10 and so is 9, yet an arbitrary line is being drawn that somehow this particular one place difference is all important

 

Btw regarding your points above:

Rihanna's 3rd single from GGGB missed the top 10! (Hate that i Love You)

Leona was relaunching a deluxe version of her album (so the song wasn't available elsewhere/album sales argument doesn't apply)

As you're saying Miley STILL missed the top10 with the 3rd single so you're stepping on your own point

The Saturdays album sales were low by release of single 3, so this holds with the "high album sales= low single positions" theory you discount

Your earlier point about remixes doing good (Kelly's Work, and Kylie's The One) doesn't make a lot of sense either. First Kelly used that as a lead single before the release of her album, not a 3rd single. Kylie's was a later single (her 4th) and despite a great mix struggled to make top40, and with sales that this year wouldn't even get it that far. This is after her last single peaked at 10 (like TLK). Also, both were Freemason's mixes, which GA aren't lucky enough to have had here. Just same old Xeno...

 

You are quoting recent "successes" from Oasis and PCD in 3rd singles (both scraping top10) as reasons why untouchable must make top10, but the reality is more third singles still miss the top10 so the list on the other side is larger still. Their second singles just missed the top10 as well, and Falling Down could just as easily missed by one place and hit 11, so not impossible this could happen to Untouchable is it? Also, most bands with active top10 runs (like Oasis whose lasted around 14 years) have seen them broken recently, so whether you believe GA's is still active or not it can easily happen, they are due.

 

The general public won't be aware when they go to download it that the album version is so different, so as with other songs most people will end up with the album version anyway. Fans always download and buy the physical, so you can't count on increased sales from there either, and their physical sales have been falling (as has everyone's). The promo is early again so their real best hope is good airplay. I don't think they'll get another airplay no1, and sadly that massively is what helps records shift, though TLK got to 1 in airplay but only 10 in sales so even if Untouchable gets massive airplay, it may still struggle. Its also been said loads, but plainly OOC has sold unusually well for them and subsequent singles can be killed by album success and are subject to the law of ever decreasing returns. I hope you can consider other people's opinions and realise you can't know you are right, and that others would respect yours more if it altered logically in response to counterpoints presented to you.

 

I like the new edit, cuts out some of the deadwood for radio. I don't like the beat and the vocoders though, cheapens it though i understand they are there to provide more "oomph"

First Kelly used that as a lead single before the release of her album, not a 3rd single.

It was actually the second single

 

Like This was the lead single and made the top 5

Work (w/o) Freemasons only barely scratched the top 40 but jumped some 30 places into the top 10 when the remix was released

It was actually the second single

 

Like This was the lead single and made the top 5

Work (w/o) Freemasons only barely scratched the top 40 but jumped some 30 places into the top 10 when the remix was released

ACTUALLY It was the 1st single off of Ms Kelly: Deluxe Edition, which was in reality more cutshop edition. Half the original tracks were missing and it was around 50% new material, with it being the first album the Freemason's mix of work was available on. It also came out long after any original album campaign had died but thanks for the nit pick, it was really relevant to the points discussed in this thread :rolleyes:

....th) and despite a great mix struggled to make top40, and with sales that this year wouldn't even get it that far. This is after her last single peaked at 10 (like TLK). Also, both were Freemason's mixes, which GA aren't lucky enough to have had here. Just same old Xeno...

 

You are quoting recent "successes" from Oasis and PCD in 3rd singles (both scraping top10) as reasons why untouchable must make top10, but the reality is more third singles still miss the top10 so the list on the other side is larger still. Their second singles just missed the top10 as well, and Falling Down could just as easily missed by one place and hit 11, so not impossible this could happen to Untouchable is it? Also, most bands with active top10 runs (like Oasis whose lasted around 14 years) have seen them broken recently, so whether you believe GA's is still active or not it can easily happen, they are due.

 

The general public won't be aware when they go to download it that the album version is so different, so as with other songs most people will end up with the album version anyway. Fans always download and buy the physical, so you can't count on increased sales from there either, and their physical sales have been falling (as has everyone's). The promo is early again so their real best hope is good airplay. I don't think they'll get another airplay no1, and sadly that massively is what helps records shift, though TLK got to 1 in airplay but only 10 in sales so even if Untouchable gets massive airplay, it may still struggle. Its also been said loads, but plainly OOC has sold unusually well for them and subsequent singles can be killed by album success and are subject to the law of ever decreasing returns. I hope you can consider other people's opinions and realise you can't know you are right, and that others would respect yours more if it altered logically in response to counterpoints presented to you.

 

I like the new edit, cuts out some of the deadwood for radio. I don't like the beat and the vocoders though, cheapens it though i understand they are there to provide more "oomph"

OH MY GOD. =/ Why and how I have to keep putting up with this, I don't know. You and Andy call yourselves GA fans but reading how depressingly negative you both are being around the whole release and results from the release makes you both sound like GA slaggers tbh. :| There are far more positives surrounding the release that I've pointed out than the few negatives you and Andy have pointed out. Which you literally repeated in your post thats been pointed out by Andy already. How exactly are my points flawed? Your arguement had nothing against my points but the same things Andy said, "basing on todays market and how TLK position and the high sales of OOC this will NEVER go top 10" .. How much more one sided can you both get, I'd almost swear with the opinions you've both posted that you're in rehab for stress and depression because not once have you two mentioned any thing positive about the release, not once. I mean look where the album version is atm, 71 and only from a recap on Dancing On Ice, that says a lot. And it really isnt early promo, the video is premiering tomorrow and the physical in just about 3 weeks? Just lighten up please, so that when Untouchable does go top 10 you guys can be humbled without getting too negative. I'm not going to argue with you people anymore it is honestly not gonna go anywhere with people in such negative states of mind. And your Rihanna point, the single order was Umbrella->SUAD->DSTM->HTILY whether they were release 2 weeks in front or behind each other, but even it being the 4th single says a lot more! HTILY was just vile imho and not that well taken in by the uk market, and to a certain extent the same with TLK, where songs like DSTM and Untouchable are OBVIOUSLY bound for higher popularity because of the type of songs that they are. In conclusion, I've made my points which people agree with, and you've made yours which people agree with. But overall, the positive points far outweigh the negatives especially for THIS single, so realistically by looking at iTunes, looking at GA's popularity atm and the type and quality of song they've now released any person with a decent logic would know Untouchable has much more top 10 even top 3 potential than top 15 and 20. And i'm really not going to keep repeating my points over and over again to substantiate this. A LITTLE MORE POSITIVITY is all i'm asking. I went to a depression clinic and as they taught me when you're literally deluded to see everything from a negative point of view and only a negative point of you. Unless this applies to you or Andy, i'm pretty sure your a bit overboard in whats the word .. 'unsupport' of GA to call yourselves GA fans tbbh..

You and Andy call yourselves GA fans but reading how depressingly negative you both are being around the whole release and results from the release makes you both sound like GA slaggers tbh. :|

 

I actually take a lot of offence from that.

 

The whole point of my argument is that there is too much emphasis on this going top ten and people are starting to turn this into a "it better go top ten or else its a flop" type of thing.

 

Just look how amazingly well take thats latest single has done, it only got to 12 or 13 but its made the album climb right up into the top ten again, its total sales will be really high and it gave them another airplay number 1.

 

I have tried to emphasise that this is an amazing song, it will sell well in total, it will probably be my favourite single campaign by GA yet. But because of whats happened with the album doing so well, i think there is a strong chance it wont go top ten. Not because its a bad song, not because i am a "GA slagger", but because i am actually trying to be positive and i know that a top ten doesnt necessarily reflect the success of a song.

 

All a top ten tells you is that an act managed to cram enough sales into one week period. It doesnt tell you how well a song has done. Mcfly once went from no1 to no20 in one week. Total sales reflect the success of a song much better.

Edited March 24, 200916 yr by andyboiuk

And your Rihanna point, the single order was Umbrella->SUAD->DSTM->HTILY whether they were release 2 weeks in front or behind each other, but even it being the 4th single says a lot more!

Actually, no, HTILY was released third in the UK. ;)

 

On another note, could you please learn how to use paragraphs? Reading your babbling is hard enough but it gets more confusing when faced with a wall of text.

Actually, no, HTILY was released third in the UK. ;)

 

On another note, could you please learn how to use paragraphs? Reading your babbling is hard enough but it gets more confusing when faced with a wall of text.

I honestly couldn't be bothered Aaron I'm not gonna change the way I argue, do I look like some robot or perfectionist? I speak my mind and obviously in doing that I'm not gonna stop and paragraph for $h!t. It's a forum, not an english exam class, GAWD. If you can't read, don't! :o ..and what you quoted - read the last sentence I mentioned that DSTM was the 4th single. I said the release order was that DSTM be 3rd, which it was globally but not in the UK, and I acknowledged that. And on another note, maybe think of others and read through the post before posting something with no value next time? It will make threads THAT much easier to read.

I honestly couldn't be bothered Aaron I'm not gonna change the way I argue, do I look like some robot or perfectionist? I speak my mind and obviously in doing that I'm not gonna stop and paragraph for $h!t. It's a forum, not an english exam class, GAWD. If you can't read, don't! :o ..and what you quoted - read the last sentence I mentioned that DSTM was the 4th single. I said the release order was that DSTM be 3rd, which it was globally but not in the UK, and I acknowledged that. And on another note, maybe think of others and read through the post before posting something with no value next time? It will make threads THAT much easier to read.

But surely if you want people to respond to your inane rambling then making it readable would help?

But surely if you want people to respond to your inane rambling then making it readable would help?

What's with the spam? Does every topic on here have to be spun off, this is about GA and not me. And if you don't like me or the way I post then keep it to yourself it's not like i'm gonna give a $h!t. People do respond to what I post, a line seperating a few sentences is barely that much of an improvement. Some people actually have common sense to respond in rational ways to my arguments where you and Aaron are just being OVER PETTY. If I'm so insane and such a babbler, then don't respond! It's called 'building a bridge and getting over it' :| And if you have the nerve to slag me, uhm some substantiation please? I find it so funny that people have these opinions of me being a lunatic and a Bitch and what else, when they barely ever back up their opinion with proof of such descriptions. I'm probably among the younger members here and tbh I'm probably more mature than most here. So really just grow up, because being petty and spamming threads certainly doesn't give a good reflection of what most on here should have, 'maturity'.

The attitude in this thread is the definition of 'immaturity'. It's a song for crying out loud, stop letting your passions run so bloody high.

I honestly couldn't be bothered Aaron I'm not gonna change the way I argue, do I look like some robot or perfectionist? I speak my mind and obviously in doing that I'm not gonna stop and paragraph for $h!t. It's a forum, not an english exam class, GAWD. If you can't read, don't! :o ..and what you quoted - read the last sentence I mentioned that DSTM was the 4th single. I said the release order was that DSTM be 3rd, which it was globally but not in the UK, and I acknowledged that. And on another note, maybe think of others and read through the post before posting something with no value next time? It will make threads THAT much easier to read.

I'm perfectly capable of reading a post of more than a few lines long, but if you want people to read your mad rantings it might be an idea to break it down like spicefunk (and most people) did. A big block of text is more of a chore to read and that's before you get to the content.

 

Well we aren't talking globally are we? This is about the UK. Yes, "Don't Stop The Music" was 4th here and it became one ofher biggest singles but let's face it, "Untouchable" is good, but it's not going to do a whole lot better than "The Loving Kind", if at all. Perhaps it will reach #8 at best, #13 or so at worst.

cba to read all these long posts lol.

Why does every thread have to turn into a battling ground? :P When is the video out again, tomorrow?

yep on C4 at about 11:55 i believe.

Kath, i am not being negative, and i haven't even predicted let alone said this will never get to the top10! I haven't seen anyone call you a bitch either, you are taking this all very personally which seems to be the problem so you are not considering what people are saying.T

 

his song could make the top10, perhaps for some of the reasons you've stated (ad nauseum), but equally may miss for some of the other reasons given. Anyone who accuses Andi of not being a GA fan is mad, he's one of the most vocal champions of GA on here, he's trying to consider it realistically though, and look at success across a number of measures rather than just a one week chart position (please correct me if i'm wrong Andi).

 

I haven't claimed to label myself a "fan" or otherwise, rather you have chosen to label me. I say you are deluded because your belief that this is a dead-cert and not responding to any reasonable naysayer demonstrates a fixed, false belief (ie. a delusion which i sure you may know from your time at clinic), whether the song ultimately makes the top10 or not. If we were being constantly negative that would be called negative filtering, not a delusion. I suggest you stick to your guns and stop replying to everyone's post. You don't have ownership of this thread, and it is a PREDICT thread, not ARGUE. People make their predictions, and its theirs. Why should they change their minds if you wont?

Spam? Completely, you're missing the point.

 

So what if some say it won't go Top 10? At least what they think is far less delusional/negative.

 

How would you react if they said "dis song sucks"? That's their thoughts without attacking someone. You are getting yourself attacked by arguing unnecessarily. ;)

 

IMO your 'maturity' level is hell low.

Kath, i am not being negative, and i haven't even predicted let alone said this will never get to the top10! I haven't seen anyone call you a bitch either, you are taking this all very personally which seems to be the problem so you are not considering what people are saying.T

 

his song could make the top10, perhaps for some of the reasons you've stated (ad nauseum), but equally may miss for some of the other reasons given. Anyone who accuses Andi of not being a GA fan is mad, he's one of the most vocal champions of GA on here, he's trying to consider it realistically though, and look at success across a number of measures rather than just a one week chart position (please correct me if i'm wrong Andi).

 

I haven't claimed to label myself a "fan" or otherwise, rather you have chosen to label me. I say you are deluded because your belief that this is a dead-cert and not responding to any reasonable naysayer demonstrates a fixed, false belief (ie. a delusion which i sure you may know from your time at clinic), whether the song ultimately makes the top10 or not. If we were being constantly negative that would be called negative filtering, not a delusion. I suggest you stick to your guns and stop replying to everyone's post. You don't have ownership of this thread, and it is a PREDICT thread, not ARGUE. People make their predictions, and its theirs. Why should they change their minds if you wont?

I feel the need to defend myself, no offense to you, but you've turned the story around completely! Clearly, you have not read the whole thread like you've said.

 

1 - I KNOW this is a prediction thread and if you page back I never started ANY ARGUMENT, and infact asked a few to elaborate on why they thought the song would not go top 10. Not once was I looking for an argument. There's a difference between discussing and arguing. And when Andy started getting offensive toward me, even after me trying to be nice and not offending him after a post, he just kept going. So I had no choice but to set things straight. Also, if I'm arguing, you are too. So if you're trying to victimise me, it's not working. It's only making you look like a hypocrite.

 

2 - NOT ONCE, did I refuse to acknowledge yours and Andys points. I said in literally ever reply that they were valid! Hello?? All I did was try to prove the chances the single did have in reaching top 10, and why it will, and why it will not. Which YOU and Andy REFUSED to acknowledge. Then, Andy came with an attitude and insulted me and said the song has quote '' NO CHANCE OF TOP 10", where you came in unnecessarily and repeated everything he just said. So I took it that you had the same intentions as him! So please don't try to make me look like some bad guy, when I'm not, that whole post you just posted was one complete lie! How you had the nerve to post it, I don't know. You fired this argument and even after I said it should stop, now you still insist on carrying on!

 

3 - When was I ever trying to change anyones mind? Never, are you completely nuts? :blink: I'm taking these insults and accusations extremely personally, because every single one is flawed, and a lie, honestly, your worse than a freaking paparazzi =/ Ever since you and Andy came in this thread with your negative vices, all I've been doing is defending the positive side of the single, trying to create a positive atmosphere surrounding this thread and single release. I'm not trying to own anything! :blink: In fact, you are! By the way you're analysing everything and down-right lying, I'd have more than enough reason to call you deluded and a control freak.

 

So please, get your facts right before impulsively insulting and accusing people of what's far from the truth. Because I have the very right to defend myself against it, and if there was some enforced rule against it, this thread and this forum would be a much more POSITIVE place. So really, if you're here to make yourself look good and deliberately lie to insult others, please just stay away from this forum! It certainly will scare people from joining the forum, after they read through this thread and actually see who really is the 'bad guy' and who really is the 'victim'.

 

Spam? Completely, you're missing the point.

 

So what if some say it won't go Top 10? At least what they think is far less delusional/negative.

 

How would you react if they said "dis song sucks"? That's their thoughts without attacking someone. You are getting yourself attacked by arguing unnecessarily. ;)

 

IMO your 'maturity' level is hell low.

Who are you speaking to? :lol: